AI for alcohol related estrogen??

[herdus33]

I've seen a few threads recently about alcohol so it got me thinking. Could an AI help block some of the estrogen related sides caused by alcohol? I'm not asking if it would make it ok to drink alcohol, since of course there are many other reason to not drink it. It just seems there might be some science behind this idea.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Alcohol related estrogen isn't the main concern with alcohol. I know cops that love to drink off duty and work out hard to keep the beer guts down to a minimum, but even if you avert the estrogenic side effects, you will not avert the blood pressure issues, the horrible lack of motivation to do much of anything constructive, that fatty liver, kidney problems, etc..... There is also not just issues with beer gut and fat, but possibly enlargement of the intestines causing dystension. A beer gut or alcohol gut isn't just about fat, but also abdominal dystension with apparent growth of smooth muscle as well as possible growth of vascular tissue.

1 or 2 bottles of beer a day or 1 or 2 glasses of wine per day are probably okay, but more than that or seeing yourself drink more than that can lead to a larger problem. If you don't drink, please don't start.

 

[perryscoon]

I just read recently that 2 drinks a day for men & 1 drink a day for women is not only okay, but healthy.

 

[Donnie Darko]

I just read recently that 2 drinks a day for men & 1 drink a day for women is not only okay, but healthy.

Yes, there are some wines that are supposed to be great in serious moderation. Kudos as well to those who can abide by moderation without going into excess. I prefer no alcohol for advice just to never give anyone a temptation....just good advice. I do have an occasional glass of wine or a beer with a steak dinner or a good italian meal, but that is usually two or three times a week at most. About 20 years ago, in college, I drank too much one night that I vomited for 2 days. I wouldn't have been surprised if I didn't have some mild alcohol poisoning. I have barely drank after that. It is always best to never even get started with drinking, but if you do, keep it to a minimum please.

 

[dirty~d~]

Yes, there are some wines that are supposed to be great in serious moderation. Kudos as well to those who can abide by moderation without going into excess. I prefer no alcohol for advice just to never give anyone a temptation....just good advice. I do have an occasional glass of wine or a beer with a steak dinner or a good italian meal, but that is usually two or three times a week at most. About 20 years ago, in college, I drank too much one night that I vomited for 2 days. I wouldn't have been surprised if I didn't have some mild alcohol poisoning. I have barely drank after that. It is always best to never even get started with drinking, but if you do, keep it to a minimum please.

Red wines are rich in anti-oxidants that help keep arterial plaque at bay. One glass a night isn't a bad thing, at all.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Red wines are rich in anti-oxidants that help keep arterial plaque at bay. One glass a night isn't a bad thing, at all.

I think this is along the lines of what I'm trying to say, but with a warning to people who may succumb to excesses. I'll go a step further by way of wine selection though.....Italian red wines. Italian reds I have heard are the best for anti-oxidants and it is always easy to spot them in a glass since they are always a venetian red color and no other wines share the same unique shade of color to my knowledge. I do know and understand wine, but I am amazed that I am able rank wine while not drinking it much at all.

Holy crap! I think I might be a snob.

I think I would just prefer everyone to have a good diet and not drink at all or in serious moderation if possible. We can achieve good health with diet, multivitamins, etc... without relying upon leeches for bloodletting these days I hope. I think I am starting to sound just like my parents too. I see a thread about using AI's to thwart the side effects of alcohol and a red flag goes up and I worry about other people falling prey to something that can be horribly unhealthy.

 

[perryscoon]

Ever tried drinking on tren? It has little to no effect. It doesn't give the pleasurable feeling I normally get from alcohol at all. Very strange.

 

[10001110101]

if you are drinking enough to get estro sides, you need to cut back bro.

 

[dirty~d~]

I think this is along the lines of what I'm trying to say, but with a warning to people who may succumb to excesses. I'll go a step further by way of wine selection though.....Italian red wines. Italian reds I have heard are the best for anti-oxidants and it is always easy to spot them in a glass since they are always a venetian red color and no other wines share the same unique shade of color to my knowledge. I do know and understand wine, but I am amazed that I am able rank wine while not drinking it much at all.

Holy crap! I think I might be a snob.

I think I would just prefer everyone to have a good diet and not drink at all or in serious moderation if possible. We can achieve good health with diet, multivitamins, etc... without relying upon leeches for bloodletting these days I hope. I think I am starting to sound just like my parents too. I see a thread about using AI's to thwart the side effects of alcohol and a red flag goes up and I worry about other people falling prey to something that can be horribly unhealthy.

Agreed. No snobbery detected.

 

[Greatercow]

if its possible i think the booze may have developped a tiny bit of gyno on me i used to drink wayyyy too much beer :S

 

[herdus33]

No one has understood the point of my thread. It was not to say that an AI would over compensate for the bad side effects from alcohol, but I was simply asking if an AI could possibly work against the side effects. I am not asking for a solution to excessive drinking. I was only wondering if it was possible for an AI to help to prevent estrogen sides in a situation that involved excessive drinking.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Yes, I do think that an AI would work on preventing the estrogenic side effects.

 

[Trendsetter21]

I truly think that anyone that drinks while on a cycle has no business even being on a cycle. I can see drinking 1 or 2 glasses of red wine (as it does have benefits) but drinking to get drunk is unreal. I really don't think a lot of people should take steroids because they take them wrong, they treat them like the magic pill and hope it does all the work for them. They lack the dedication and willpower they should have to transform their bodies. I see so many guys in the gym with the yo yo effect come summer to fall its disgusting. They put all that hard work in to look better for 2 months and destroy it by getting drunk all the time. I'm sick of seeing alcohol and cycle questions. The best answer is if your on a cycle don't drink. You're on a cycle for a reason why take something that would be counter productive. If you are willing to do that you shouldn't be on a cycle anyways.

 

[dopename]

I don't know why there are such alcohol haters on here, I tied a couple on will on cycle and gained unreal amounts of LBM. I made sure to do it on a night before an off day. After my cycle, lifts are still going up and fat is coming off.

I say if you like to drink occasionally do so responsibly,we work hard for our bodies, why not enjoy them sometimes.

 

[herdus33]

Yes, I do think that an AI would work on preventing the estrogenic side effects.

Thank you for a straight up answer to my question. K to you.

I truly think that anyone that drinks while on a cycle has no business even being on a cycle. You're on a cycle for a reason why take something that would be counter productive. If you are willing to do that you shouldn't be on a cycle anyways.

This thread has NOTHING to do with being "ON" cycle.

I don't know why there are such alcohol haters on here, I tied a couple on will on cycle and gained unreal amounts of LBM. I made sure to do it on a night before an off day. After my cycle, lifts are still going up and fat is coming off.

I say if you like to drink occasionally do so responsibly,we work hard for our bodies, why not enjoy them sometimes.

Although this doesn't really answer my question, I agree 100%. A little K coming your way.

 

[theperfectdrug187]

Ever tried drinking on tren? It has little to no effect. It doesn't give the pleasurable feeling I normally get from alcohol at all. Very strange.

When I'm on tren, I can't really enjoy hanging out and drinking in a bar or club... I'm too busy sweating my ass off!

 

[JLowe02]

drinking ocassionally to get drunk isn't necessarily a bad thing, assuming you are not an asshole when you get wasted(which i am so i cannot get drunk now), you dont drive, and you know your limit. this takes willpower though, a character trait that most people don't possess at all.

 

[Donnie Darko]

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[Donnie Darko]

if its possible i think the booze may have developped a tiny bit of gyno on me i used to drink wayyyy too much beer :S

That could just be fat deposits, maybe associated with estrogen, but if there is no cystic like lump that feels tender, then it may only be fat. Dudes hold fat in the boobs too. If anyone is really worried about gyno though, they should always see a doctor about it.

 

[Mavafanculo]

........................... I was only wondering if it was possible for an AI to help to prevent estrogen sides in a situation that involved excessive drinking.

alcohol increases estrogen 2 ways:

1) acutely, by impairing the livers ability to clear excess estrogen from your system, and

2) chronically, by increasing fat stores which will increase aromatase levels, which will cause more testosterone to be converted to estrogen.

an AI (aromatase inhibitor) will help with # 2, but it will not help with #1.
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more importantly, the worst muscle building negative sides arent tied to estrogen, but rather to the increase in cortisol, the decrease in testosterone, and the impaired protein synthesis that acute alcohol consumptipon causes.


send me K.

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[herdus33]

send me K.

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Nice post Mav....as always....K to you.

 

[Mavafanculo]

Nice post Mav....as always....K to you.

lol thanks bro- I was only kidding about the K, but maybe I should try that more often since it seems to work lol

M

 

[gjohnson5]

LOL

Why not just stop drinking...

Anyway hops is a plant which contains estrogen

I've seen a few threads recently about alcohol so it got me thinking. Could an AI help block some of the estrogen related sides caused by alcohol? I'm not asking if it would make it ok to drink alcohol, since of course there are many other reason to not drink it. It just seems there might be some science behind this idea.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

At the end of the day and to answer your question:

What ever you are doing, what ever you use or what ever is the cause, if you have excess estrogen is excess estrogen and you can take certain ancillaries to help control it.

 

[gjohnson5]

I would like to say that ancillaries were designed as cancer treatments. This means that an individual has or had a malfunction in thier bodies in which estrogen may have contributed to the proliferation of malignant cells.

In the case of alcohol or any other substance which contains estrogens , pomegranate , hops , drinking out of plastic cups, eating foods contamined w/pesticides ancillaries were not designed to counteract estrogens which were exogenously introduced to the body.

having said this , I think the OP is misguided in his/her ideas. The way you counteract exogenous estrogens is to stop introducing those estrogens exogenously.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

I would like to say that ancillaries were designed as cancer treatments. This means that an individual has or had a malfunction in thier bodies in which estrogen may have contributed to the proliferation of malignant cells.

In the case of alcohol or any other substance which contains estrogens , pomegranate , hops , drinking out of plastic cups, eating foods contamined w/pesticides ancillaries were not designed to counteract estrogens which were exogenously introduced to the body.

having said this , I think the OP is misguided in his/her ideas. The way you counteract exogenous estrogens is to stop introducing those estrogens exogenously.

So you mean to stop taking exogenous substances that will, ultimately, lead to an increase in estrogen, which as you know are numerous incuding many anabolics to name a few?

 

[gjohnson5]

endogenous = inside the body
exogenous = outside the body

Secondly testoerone derivates are just that "testosterone derivates" not estrogen derivates. This isn't a website where we study uses of estrogen cremes....

Testosterone AROMATASES which means an enzyme converts testosterone to estrogen. This is the use of an aromatase inhibitor. It STOPS AROMATASE. It does not inhibit estrogens or inhibit you from introducing estrogens from outside the body (exogenously)

So you mean to stop taking exogenous substances that will, ultimately, lead to an increase in estrogen, which as you know are numerous incuding many anabolics to name a few?

 

[Cardinal Slin]

endogenous = inside the body
exogenous = outside the body

Bingo -

So taking exogenous testosterone would lead to an increase in estrogen, correct which would potentially lead to a number of sides including water retention and more seriously gyno. So rather than taking an AI - as you previously said which were designed for cancer treatment would be an option but the more sensible option would be to stop taking exogenous substances that would lead to an increase in estrogen. Now we would not really be having this conversation - on this board - if people would stop taking those substances, rather they are looking at ways and methods of combatting the sides that come about from their usage.

As I said they would play their part in limiting complications that arouse from exogenous substances that were used.

 

[gjohnson5]

Since you didn't seem to read it the first time...

Secondly testoerone derivates are just that "testosterone derivates" not estrogen derivates. This isn't a website where we study uses of estrogen cremes....

Testosterone AROMATASES which means an enzyme converts testosterone to estrogen. This is the use of an aromatase inhibitor. It STOPS AROMATASE. It does not inhibit estrogens or inhibit you from introducing estrogens from outside the body (exogenously)

Bingo -

So taking exogenous testosterone would lead to an increase in estrogen, correct which would potentially lead to a number of sides including water retention and more seriously gyno. So rather than taking an AI - as you previously said which were designed for cancer treatment would be an option but the more sensible option would be to stop taking exogenous substances that would lead to an increase in estrogen. Now we would not really be having this conversation - on this board - if people would stop taking those substances, rather they are looking at ways and methods of combatting the sides that come about from their usage.

As I said they would play their part in limiting complications that arouse from exogenous substances that were used.