Age 17-First Cycle--Test/D-bol Cycle

[c3bodybuilding]

Teenagers on elite

I am getting IM's etc from a teen who view this site, and wants to know about cycles. For example, and I am not trying to flame this guy, but he IM's me, tells me he is 16, doing his first cycle. He is 155lbs, wants to do 500mg a test a week for 10 weeks, with 30mg of d-bol! 16 years old. To top it off, he wants to start going to the gym twice a day, to be like Arnold.

Now I can't give advice to people like that. Only to tell them to wait, and how to train properly. But you know they don't listen. I almost feel stuck.

I am sure I am not the only one who has dealt with this, but what exactly do you do? I feel bad for this kid, and fear he might just hurt himself with this sort of attitude towards it all.

Bro, I know you might be pissed I posted this, but I feel it might be for your own good. I'm not gonna put your elite handle, so you don't get flamed.

Anyone have any advice for this kid? I tried, and didn't do to well.

 

[Bulldog_10]

just eat big, work out hard, and get rest...you'll grow just fine. Then when you get stuck (at the earliest 4-5 years down the road) throw a cycle in there to get over the hump.

Right now what you need is to do research on diet, workout, rest, etc...not drugs. There is obviously alot you don't know about training, and you need to figure out the basics before you move on to the more advanced things...like juice.

 

[microstar02]

Hey,

I didn't want to do this for the simple fact that everyone on this board is going to say i'm a stupid kid, do not talk AS, and every other comment bad about steroids.

Please avoid that and just give me a helping hand.
I am 17, 5'9" and 155lbs. Been training for about 2 years.

I am planning on taking:

Test Enan 500mg Weeks 1-10
D-bol 30mg/day Weeks 1-4
Clomid Weeks 11-13

I have nolva handy, And will be talking Milk Thistle Throughout.
I have planned this cycle for a long time, and very well, and I am from what I'd consider, pretty well educated in the catagorie.

I know I am young, and Despite my age, I am determined to take this cycle and only this cycle for a while. I feel this will give me a good base to work with. And I want to start this young, because the time is now, I want to be in BB competitions when I'm 19 or 20, not 30 or 40.

Please Give me any and all advice on the cycle, and any other comments you'd like to add. NO FLAMING PLEASE.

Thanks~~

 

[kronk]

Bulldog is right on. Great response

You should be eating like a horse and training like crazy. the gains will come brother, there is no magic pill to get you there faster. By going on a cycle now you will be fucking your body up real bad.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Bro, I am so glad you decided to post this. It took balls, and you might take some flames, but it is in your best interest.

Could a mod somehow put my other thread about teenagers on elite in with this one? No need to for two threads on the same person.

 

[hawkdriver1]

Man,you need to wait until your at least 21,wait till your body has grown,right now you are a test full maniac at 17,wait till you have a few years lifting and somemore muscular maturity then go for it.
Take it from one who knows all too well.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Anybody being RESPONSIBLE is not going to encourage you buddy...Not only for your age,but for the physical stats you're at...You should be taking in nothing but tons of calories,creatine and protein.Not what you wanted to hear I know,but you are headed down the wrong track at this point in time and as someone who has made mistakes,I can't in good conscience tell you what you want to hear...Sorry.

 

[kronk]

Ditto to what Huck said. *stomps foot on floor* *huck always beats me to the punch*

 

[ManOfArms]

Totally agree with HUCK! just eat till you drop, take in as much protien as you can!!! and learn as much as you can about dieting.

 

[thelegacy]

If I was C3 I would say wait to the kid then i would tell him not to pm me anymore.. Cuz if he does go through with it and he screws himself up somehow---guess who the parents are gonna blame-- the people who who related in anyway of having contact with this kid w/AS.

 

[Bulldog_10]

...I'm in no way condoning this...but if you planned "very well" you'd know that you shouldn't start the clomid until week 13 or 14. So you don't know what you think you know...maybe you should keep researching the subject.

What is your diet like? I bet 10 to 1 that your diet sucks, and without a solid diet...the juice won't do SHIT!

 

[FatChops]

Justwait a couple of years bro, your time will come. you'll have much more gains if you wait because you'll have a better base. but Good luck bro

 

[microstar02]

Honestly, if you people think that besides some growth potential, taking Roids is any different from age 17, or age 22, I think you are a bunch of foolish idiots.

What is the difference, except for the fact that I will gain like 20lbs, what the hell is going to happen to me. Honestly.

NOTHING> I will gain weight, Strength, and Have happen what would to anybody my age or older.

I know exactly what I need to do while on the cycle, and I will benefit from it, just as much as a 20 year old would.

So what do u have to say now.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Oh, and one more thing...you said that by doing a cycle, you'll get a good base?!?!?!? Are you serious? I think the way to go about this is...get the base first, THEN juice. You are being rediculous. You say you don't want to be called a stupid kid...stop acting like one.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Honestly, if you people think that besides some growth potential, taking Roids is any different from age 17, or age 22, I think you are a bunch of foolish idiots.

What is the difference, except for the fact that I will gain like 20lbs, what the hell is going to happen to me. Honestly.

NOTHING> I will gain weight, Strength, and Have happen what would to anybody my age or older.

I know exactly what I need to do while on the cycle, and I will benefit from it, just as much as a 20 year old would.

So what do u have to say now.

Oooooooh....in that case. Since you're so smart...you must know that you're long bones will stop growing right? But I'm sure you'll say that you don't care about that...Cuz you're as tall as you want to be. And you know all of the other effects that hormone levels have on your body...because you're ALOT smarter than most endocrinologists in the world. Man, it's hard to believe that at 17 you've already graduated from college, AND went to Med school...wow...you are wise beyond your years.

 

[Ttokkyo Jack]

The only aas that I would even remotely consider if I was 17 would be oxandrolone. Taking all that test and d-bol at 17, is bound to cause some problems. I would definitely wait until your body develops a little more and you get a solid base.

 

[Ingram]

Honestly, if you people think that besides some growth potential, taking Roids is any different from age 17, or age 22, I think you are a bunch of foolish idiots.

So what do u have to say now.

Bro, You obviously know it all. Go do your little cycle and get the fuck off this board. We don't need shitheads like you around here.

-Ingram

 

[~HOUNDOG~]

Don't do it. I did test and d-bol at 17 and I regret it. I would like to be taller but that won't happen. (5'11) I WOULD have been 6'1 or so. Basically I was impatient and ignorant and now it's too late to do anything about it. Listen to experience DONT DO IT If you do you are fucking stupid like I was.

 

[dasgh]

Hey,


I have planned this cycle for a long time, and very well, and I am from what I'd consider, pretty well educated in the catagorie.

Thanks~~

You forgot to educate yourself in proper training techniques and diet though.

Kinda like knowing everything there is to know about a bullet but not about a gun. As soon as you put the bullet in the gun you accidentally shoot yourself in the head cuz you were looking down the barrel. You didnt know what would happen if you pulled the trigger so you gave it a squeeze...

However, I can understand your anxiousness to get larger. I was in about the same position you were. I can fully understand your want to be big. At 16 I was a soaking wet 150lbs and today (22) Im about 220lbs WITHOUT steroids.

Just be patient and give it time. I know this isnt what you want to hear and you probably wont pay attention but I have done what I could do. Its out of my hands now.

 

[JibbyJabba]

Honestly, if you people think that besides some growth potential, taking Roids is any different from age 17, or age 22, I think you are a bunch of foolish idiots.

What is the difference, except for the fact that I will gain like 20lbs, what the hell is going to happen to me. Honestly.

NOTHING> I will gain weight, Strength, and Have happen what would to anybody my age or older.

I know exactly what I need to do while on the cycle, and I will benefit from it, just as much as a 20 year old would.

So what do u have to say now.

If you know so fucking much than why are you on this board and why are you PM'ing the shit out of C3? Given that you know so much more than all of us, and that it's not unsafe to juice when you're young (per you), you should already be a fucking monster.

Bottomline... No one is going to give you any advice other than that you should wait. If you're not going to listen to that, then just keep your mouth shut and sift through the thousands of posts on here, read some books about it, and when your little pea brain thinks you are educated and ready, then do your fucking cycle. Then, in about 5 years, you can come on here and talk about how much you regret starting early.

 

[JibbyJabba]

Though... I have to admit that I started early myself. I was 18 when I first messed with Juice. However, knowing that I would get flamed for being so young and wanting to juice, I was smart enough to utilize the anonimity of the internet and tell everyone I was 25, thus avoiding the "you should wait" replies altogehter.

If you're too stupid to realize this is the only way people are going to give you non-paternal advice, you're too stupid to juice.

 

[shoichi]

that you're long bones will stop growing right? But I'm sure you'll say that you don't care about that...Cuz you're as tall as you want to be.

Before I start, this article I read wasn't about steroids, it used for treating test deficient teens, which is clearly not the case here. I'd also like to note that medical uses of test are far below what is used in cycles. Anyways, this article stated that bone growth and development will resume after around 6 months of the treatment stopping. Has anyone heard of anything like this? And if so, then are the high doses, not the actual test, is what causes ephyiseal closure?

Anyways, the dose in medical uses are 250mg every couple of weeks, not 500mg weekly. Bro, by the way you respond to other members of this board, clearly show that you are still a boy - trying to be a man. I'm not trying to put you down, that's the truth. If you decide to do it, so be it.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Before I start, this article I read wasn't about steroids, it used for treating test deficient teens, which is clearly not the case here. I'd also like to note that medical uses of test are far below what is used in cycles. Anyways, this article stated that bone growth and development will resume after around 6 months of the treatment stopping. Has anyone heard of anything like this? And if so, then are the high doses, not the actual test, is what causes ephyiseal closure?

Anyways, the dose in medical uses are 250mg every couple of weeks, not 500mg weekly. Bro, by the way you respond to other members of this board, clearly show that you are still a boy - trying to be a man. I'm not trying to put you down, that's the truth. If you decide to do it, so be it.

I believe it's actually the high levels of estrogen that usually accompany the high test levels in subjects that use steroids, that cause the halted bone growth.

 

[Tarheel]

Dude, you're messing with your endocrine system. I don't think you realize the possible long-term problems that can be associated with tinkering with an endocrine system that isn't fully developed yet.

Thats all I am going to say about this.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Dude, you're messing with your endocrine system. I don't think you realize the possible long-term problems that can be associated with tinkering with an endocrine system that isn't fully developed yet.

Thats all I am going to say about this.

You see that game the other day?!?! GO HEELS! Sucks they're not gonna make the big dance though

 

[BigAndy69]

You'll have LOW test levels the rest of your miserable life...and you won't be big...far from it...your shoulder width will be pathetic....that's what being big is all about, shoulder width.


Basically, if you juice now, you will remain small the rest of your life. Sure you'll be a big 16 year old but everyone will catch up to you when they turn 19-20 when everybody grows NATURALLY. Then how will you feel...a juicer who's smaller than natural trainers...you'll feel like a bitch.

Somebody should call this kid's parents.

 

[gsxr600]

Well i say dont do it, but i remember how i was when i was 17 I thought i knew it all.

But you know what they say, sometimes it takes pain to make the brain a little smarter.

 

[microstar02]

Can everyone honestly say how old they were when they started juicing.

And listen, One 10 weeks Cycle is nott gonna mess my test production for life, And I do have Clomid and Nolva, so why would it.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Can everyone honestly say how old they were when they started juicing.

And listen, One 10 weeks Cycle is nott gonna mess my test production for life, And I do have Clomid and Nolva, so why would it.

Ooooooooh...you have clomid AND nolvadex? I didn't know that...you should be all set to go then! Once you get your hands on those two, nothing can hurt you.

 

[MrRTTB]

I'm with the other guys on this. You have only been working out for 2 years plus only weight 155lb. I one of those who thinks you will easier keep your gains when you get older if you build up a solid body natural without steroids.

I would wait atleast until I was 20 before any cycle, and as a first timer I would NOT go with the cycle you posted. I think for a newbie one could easily gain a lot with as little as 10mg dbol per day taken in the morning. I know guys who have gained a lot on this for a first cycle and keept it all.

Here are some tips to gain mass:

Do not focus on keeping fat low or eating too clean beause your affraid of gaining fat. Fat is potent shit, and witout enough fat in your food you will not stimulate testosterone enough to get most out of your diet/training. Even sat. fat is important for this.

If you weight 155lb, bump your calories with 500cals per day from the intake where you do not gain or loose any weight, shoot for 0.5kg every week as a gain and always go a little heavier on the movements. It doen't matter if it is 0.5lb you put on your bench from last time, even that little weight is more than nothing.

Eat when you need it:

Breakfast slow to medium carbs with fast and slow protein. For example hole grain bread, oatmeal and chicken or tuna with a proteinshake(whey).

Before workout: Slow carbs and slow protein, for example 50-80g carbs from pasta, and 30g protein from meat or some other slow proteinsource.

Post workout: high GI carbs and fast protein, 50g dextros with 50g Whey protein, also add in some vitamines, creatin and glutamin if you have afford.

1 hour post workoutshake meal
50-70g protein, 60-100g carbs, for example rice and chicken, pasta with red meat or fish or some other
Before bedtime, protein protein and protein. Also add fibers and some good fat.

I promise you if you just folow the tips above youwill put on a good pound every week. Get yourself a manual and write down every movement with reps/set and weight. Then when you enter the gym next time you just grab your manual, and do either more reps, or add weight.

NEVER EVER leave out the basic movements:

Squat, deadlifts, Chinups, some type of heavy chestpress. These movements will tae you from looking like Mr. Bean to Coleman in a couple of years. LOL


Remember, do not follow the examples in the magazines, programs and so on written by some "pro". Those sessions they do are often for excperiensed people with a recovery time like no one else(often to massive as "abuse". ).

If you feel you are not gaining, then just lower time in the gym to 3 days per week and always give yourself an "off" day the day after yoiur workout.

Hope this helps, if you need any more help, shoot me a PM bro

 

[JOKER47]

microstar02

Would you please post your current routine and diet regimen?


Joker

 

[Bulldog_10]

Re: microstar02

Would you please post your current routine and diet regimen?


Joker

I've already asked him to do that...I honestly don't think he has any clue about proper diet and training...and wouldn't know how to explain his diet. I did a search, and he seems to know very little about training, and even less about juice.

 

[JOKER47]

Re: Re: microstar02

I've already asked him to do that...I honestly don't think he has any clue about proper diet and training...and wouldn't know how to explain his diet. I did a search, and he seems to know very little about training, and even less about juice.

I know you already asked him for it. But, it couldn't hurt to hear it asked for again from someone else. Anything to get him to post it up.
Either way, it will either show us he has a better handle on training and diet fundamentals than we think, or it will give us something to discuss with him, and suggest ways to make gains without using gear at his age. Maybe convince him to visit the Training Board for a while and see what he learns there.


.02,
Joker

 

[BlocRoc]

I'd recommend that no onew talk to this KID anymore

Bros

Call me paranoid, but look at this worst case scenario that I could see happening!

Some gov't agency finally has gotten it into their heads to bust a lot of hypothelical situation boards that deal with opinions on illicit substances.

They drop a narc in the board and have him start asking questions, getting chummy with senior board members, maybe even start PM'ing them and sending private emails!

Now, sooner or later this KID (under 18) gets all the answers that he wants and supposedly needs. At a point shortly thereafter, that same gov't agency bust into a server room where the machine that hosts this website sits, and gets everything, only to start tracking down every single member that gave this minor advice on how to procure (maybe), use definitely, or worse.

Every person that helped educate this minor is charged with:

CONTRIBUTING TO THE DELINQUENCY OF A MINOR

Any court in this great land will instantly see any person doing that as a monster and the penalties become extreme!

My advice. If they admit to being under 18, dont even talk to them. Would you keep on talking to a girl at some bar that told you that she was looking for dick and got into the bar with her older sisters ID? I dont think so. Same rules apply here, trust me, I know. A lawyer friend (who advises on my less that merit badge boy scout good deeds) assures me that this would be the exact same thing!


Microstar

Dont take this personally.

You have to realize that this worst case scenario could be true. I sure as hell am not going to go to prison because of some advice that a minor wanted!

How about you ask us how get Cocaine and Methamphetamine while you're at it! Heroine anyone?

Seriously think about it BROS!

Also, a cop can lie to your face, basically do whatever is needed to get you to incriminate yourselves. That whole thing that some people believe that a cop cant lie about being a cop is BS. Or any other law enforcement agency for that matter. My buddy works vice in one of the nastier cities in the US and he's done it all to get a bust outside of killing someone!

L8

 

[Busy_Mind]

Honestly, if you people think that besides some growth potential, taking Roids is any different from age 17, or age 22, I think you are a bunch of foolish idiots.

What is the difference, except for the fact that I will gain like 20lbs, what the hell is going to happen to me. Honestly.

NOTHING> I will gain weight, Strength, and Have happen what would to anybody my age or older.

I know exactly what I need to do while on the cycle, and I will benefit from it, just as much as a 20 year old would.

So what do u have to say now.

First off.... YOU JUST DUG YOURSELF A GRAVE ON THIS BOARD BY BEING A LITTLE DUMBASS!

Second... IGNORANCE will get you nowhere!

And foremost... There are alot of young BB's on many of these boards, myself included, but you know what jackass? We listen to alot of these vets on here for a reason, they know what they're talking about! You seem very uneducated as far as AAS goes! Your gonna put a sudden hault on your growth plates if you juice too early, but that's ok - you are ignorant. You gonna fuck your lil testes up at such a young age, but that's ok - you are ignorant. You are looking for a miracle pill - there is none! And like another bro said on here, you should ALREADY have a solid base, before turning to the juice. Man you are fucking ignorant as hell!

Your gonna get alot of good advice in this thread, to help you make a better decision that what you are making - I and many others suggest you open your ears, your mind, and listen!

Be smart dude, not ignorant.

 

[speedy7]

hmmm this kid has a lot to learn I think. I understand he wants to bb early but he doesn't need gear. How about for athletic performance in football, track, baseball etc. Some males mature really fast and may be able to have a small cycle for athletic purposes. If they are that too far behind to be competitive naturally then its really not worth the rest of their lives concerning their prostate, growth plates, etc. I don't like to question question with a question but what if this kid got on some gh before his growth plates closed. I've heard of some 16-19 year olds jumping on gh, mind u it wasn't much(4-8iu ed) and they already had a good muscle base from 185-220lbs from competitive athletics. Is there any proof that gh before growth plates have closed will actually increase the genetic size and dimensions of an individual? Just a thought. Didn't start my 1st cycle till I was 24 and was only 250mg of test a week. Like you guys said though, at 155 this kid needs to eat and train well. If I were him I would be pounding the weight gainer 2200 from GNC and working out like a maniac. He should be able to put on some awesome quality mass that way. He is young enough that his ectomorphic body will metabize awesome.

 

[diet4ever]

Use the money you wanted to spend on the cycle to hire a good personal trainer for a few sessions.

They can give you your personal training schedule and diet advise. This will give you much, yes MUCH, better results than starting roids at your current age.

Why injecting test, while your body is already overflowing from it's own natural test.

btw. by sure you get a good personal trainer, not some ass-hole who's only after your money.