advise on my pct please

[determined22]

hey guys my 1st post .....i have done alot of reading and gathering info on AAS but still im a noob so any help is appreciated .....

heres my cycle and pct along with it...i have alot of people telling me to run both nolva and clomid ...some saying just go with either one...im confused...i was tinking of running this

Wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-4 Dianabol (Dbol ) = 30mg/day
Wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg eod - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 15 to wk 19

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

 

[determined22]

im new here ....i duno how the forums work.... if i posted in the wrong place or i need to edit sumting let me...come on help a noob out ....

 

[mbag012]

save the clomid, throw the nolva in the bin. nolva decreases collagen synthesis which will weaken tendons so you dont want to use it for any reasons.

Im just lurking all the forums and picking up as much information as i can about fitness. this is what ive picked up for PCT. wait for the more knowledgeable guys to come in and help you because i dont know how good my knowledge of pct is myself.

HCG usage is great. you can use it throughout the cycle or during the 2weeks gap from cycle to pct in larger doses to shock the testes.

week 1-4
*5pumps of forma stanzol in the morning and again in the evening everyday.
*some kind of post cycle. people here recomend the "unleashed/post cycle" combo but it seems like its never in stock. I would like to know what people think about the FORGED PCT product as a substitute or any other.

I dont think you need a serm in here because the forma stanzol deals with the estrogen and gets the HPTA running again.

 

[nickb86]

hey guys my 1st post .....i have done alot of reading and gathering info on AAS but still im a noob so any help is appreciated .....

heres my cycle and pct along with it...i have alot of people telling me to run both nolva and clomid ...some saying just go with either one...im confused...i was tinking of running this

Wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-4 Dianabol (Dbol ) = 30mg/day
Wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg eod - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 15 to wk 19

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

drop the nolva, run clomid and your cycle is abit incomplete you need to protect against the toxicity of the dbol and run the hcg for less. stack it up like this buddy, start pct 14 days after last pin:
1-12 test
1-4 dbol
1-4 n2gard
6-12 HCG 500isx2 a week
1-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod

14-17 clomid 25/25/25/25
14-17 unleashed/post cycle
14-19 forma stanzol
14-19 Daa 3gs a day

 

[babybeast]

if you are serious about bodybuilding and you want to go far there is no such thing as pct..... you lower or change compounds for a cruise and then blast again some weeks later... if you are dead set on comming off or for whatever reason you need to stop aas... stick to tried and TRUE compunds... CLOMID or NOLVA..... to be honest you probably only need one with that cycle but you can run both if you feel better about it.... DONT waist your time with otc garbage

 

[EZ_E]

You're recommending blast & cruise for anyone serious about BBing?

~EZ

 

[babybeast]

If you are a serious bodybuilder and want to be on the national stage or better you bet your ass your going to be on some.sort of gear all year round. That's just the nature of the beast these days ...

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[mbag012]

he didnt say anything about being serious about bodybuilding so lets not assume that just yet.

Can i just ask, why do you need clomid in the PCT? i thought the forma stanzol took care of the estrogen so there is no real need for it.

 

[determined22]

1st of all thanx for the reply guys....and im not looking to be on a stage or compete but i love bbing and will be running a cycle every year from now on....

few more qs

1.now as for forma stanzol....my concern with it is the rebound effect as it is a type 2 AI....
2.why do i need a AI on pct ...since im running aromasin already on my cycle....
3.torem is it used to replace nolva or clomid??i know all 3 are very similar but as far as i kno its used to replace clomid...
4.forma,unleashed,torem are extremely hard to find in my country.....so i would like suggestions on similar products??

 

[nickb86]

he didnt say anything about being serious about bodybuilding so lets not assume that just yet.

Can i just ask, why do you need clomid in the PCT? i thought the forma stanzol took care of the estrogen so there is no real need for it.

clomid is used to start hpta function and also blocks eastrogen at the breast tissue bud, yes the forma keeps eastrogen at a beneficial level and does help hpta but it does have the same effect. A small dosage of 25mg clomid is shown to help alot, and whn combined with forma it works very well.

 

[nickb86]

1st of all thanx for the reply guys....and im not looking to be on a stage or compete but i love bbing and will be running a cycle every year from now on....

few more qs

1.now as for forma stanzol....my concern with it is the rebound effect as it is a type 2 AI....
2.why do i need a AI on pct ...since im running aromasin already on my cycle....
3.torem is it used to replace nolva or clomid??i know all 3 are very similar but as far as i kno its used to replace clomid...
4.forma,unleashed,torem are extremely hard to find in my country.....so i would like suggestions on similar products??

1. it is a suicidal Ai and will stop any rebound buddy
2. you running a cycle but when you stop in wk 12 you still have test and eastrogen for a while after, the forma keeps eastrogen at a nice level for gains and also increases the amount of usable test available and increases igf levels which are both very important for pct, its an Ai with benefits.
3. torem is a serm you could replace the clomid with torem etc but id run a low clomid dosage up to you have a look and decide which you want and which are available
4. serms are prescription meds illegal get from your source,
forma is a legal otc Ai available at :https://www.mrsupps.com/Products/18/Forma+Stanzol/
Unleashed is available at N2BM : Post Cycle and Unleashed Combo - The best PCT supplements you can find.
both have sales on if your quick enough buddy

 

[mbag012]

clomid is used to start hpta function and also blocks eastrogen at the breast tissue bud, yes the forma keeps eastrogen at a beneficial level and does help hpta but it does have the same effect. A small dosage of 25mg clomid is shown to help alot, and whn combined with forma it works very well.

one quick question, does it specifically have to be clomid or can he use any SERM that works? for example, can he replace clomid with raloxifene?

 

[determined22]

1. it is a suicidal Ai and will stop any rebound buddy
2. you running a cycle but when you stop in wk 12 you still have test and eastrogen for a while after, the forma keeps eastrogen at a nice level for gains and also increases the amount of usable test available and increases igf levels which are both very important for pct, its an Ai with benefits.
3. torem is a serm you could replace the clomid with torem etc but id run a low clomid dosage up to you have a look and decide which you want and which are available
4. serms are prescription meds illegal get from your source,
forma is a legal otc Ai available at :
both have sales on if your quick enough buddy

thnx bro....will ask my source but if no torem will be stuck with clomid...im pretty sure that the unleashed will be diff to get here even by order....if not unleashed...proviron will have to do...

 

[nickb86]

one quick question, does it specifically have to be clomid or can he use any SERM that works? for example, can he replace clomid with raloxifene?

again its all personal and down to the indervidual i beleive clomid to be the most effective at helping the hpta over the pct duration some studies show other serms working well and some show them to bad, but eitherway this is usually over a longer time duration than 4 weeks so is not really applicable to a 4 week pct etc.
i prefer clomid as it works better imo at helping the hpta but it does cause sides and problems with some people especially with higher dosages, running the forma along side will help greatly and a 25mg dosage is very effective for hpta.

 

[determined22]

alright after alot of reading...i have come to the conclusion nolva is garbage .....
this is my new pct

clomid 25/25/25/25 or torem 90/60/60/30
forma
DAA
unleashed or proviron...whichever is available and easier to get.....

what do you guys think??

 

[bigbassturd]

Proviron is not a pct product, it is a steroid...

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[nickb86]

run the pct like this, and like BB said drop the proviron:
clomid 25/25/25/25
unleashed/post cycle
forma stanzol
Daa 3g' a day

 

[determined22]

run the pct like this, and like BB said drop the proviron:
clomid 25/25/25/25
unleashed/post cycle
forma stanzol
Daa 3g' a day

forma 10 pumps thru out the pct ryt?

 

[determined22]

they always out of stock for Unleashed.....
was thinking of alternatives......hows forged ???
if any1 got any better alternatives ...shoot.....