Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I have a very high metabolism and have had a problem with gaining/maintaining weight my whole life. An associate of mine suggested a quick cycle of d-bol/winnie to bulk and cut. Is this solid advice or is there a better cycle/solution? His suggested cycle was 5 weeks. I've never done a cycle before and don't want to rush into something without knowin if it's good advice or not. I especially want to know what I'm doin.
Advice??????
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dark-knight
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dbol and winny would not be ideal for a first cycle. you could do a dbol only cycle but imo you would benefit more from a low dose of test for 12 weeks at 250 - 350mg /week.
stats - age , how tall, weight, diet and training history???
stats - age , how tall, weight, diet and training history???
Smart man. I can tell by this post that youre not ready to take the plunge, but that doesnt mean you wont be with some time and research.
You mention you have trouble gaining weight. What are your stats and training experience?
Oh and I repeat, dont do this cycle.
Ok sorry for leavin this out in my original posting, I'm 35 6' 1" 153lbs. The most I ever weighed was 190 but I always drop back to 153-158. I've been this weight since I was 15. I used to train 3 days a week have just got back to training. so far just cardio and alot of runnin, push-ups ,dips, pull-ups would love to get to a nice solid/cut 225lbs.....thanks in advance guys
Endlesscutting
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forget about a cycle. what you need to do is FORGET THE CARDIO ! Eat a whole lot more and lift 5 times a week breaking the body parts up. You should be thinking FOOD FOOD FOOD , WEIGHTS WEIGHTS WEIGHTS, SLEEP SLEEP SLEEP. Supplements , use creatine to help put some water weight on and start helping stretch the muscle bellies, protein powders ( high calorie ones that taste awesome ), multi-vitamin, fish oil , SHIT LOADS OF WATER & CLEAN FOOD
do this for a while and tell us if you have been able to gain weight or not, i gurantee you will have otherwise you are not eating enough.
do this for a while and tell us if you have been able to gain weight or not, i gurantee you will have otherwise you are not eating enough.
stop the cardio!
eat a lot of clean food, and unclean since you have a fast metabolism.
start a solid training split. chest monday, back tuesday, shoulders, legs etc. diet 3000+cals a day
300 grams of protein. good fats, and moderate carbs.
you need more than push ups and pull ups to gain weight. that's a start.
eat a lot of clean food, and unclean since you have a fast metabolism.
start a solid training split. chest monday, back tuesday, shoulders, legs etc. diet 3000+cals a day
300 grams of protein. good fats, and moderate carbs.
you need more than push ups and pull ups to gain weight. that's a start.
You should work on your diet and training before doing aas. I bet you're eating 1800cals and you should absolutely avoid cardio if you're a "hard gainer - aka doesn't know how to eat". You should work your way up to about 4k calories, weght train 4 times a week, avoid cardio and then jump on aas. Firt cycle should look something like 500 test and 400 deca/week. You also have to keep in mind that getting to a cut 225 which is about 7-8% BF will take a lot of time and dedication and id hate to say it but may not be achievable at your age considering your current stats.
Tried the powders before tasted awful. You got a couple that taste better??
Most gainers taste good IMO because they are very sweet (Cytogainer, serious mass etc. ) good for post workou. You cant go wrong with Muscle milk during the day.
gear63
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FIRST AAS (anabolic androgenic substances) is not the answer to a quick 225lbs nice and cut, it takes time!!! EAT EAT EAT and when your full EAT more you should start by consuming 5000 calories a day ( not I think I ate 5000 today COUNT THEM) then lift your ass off and sleep like a bear during winter SO THE DAY SHOULD BE EAT TRAIN SLEEP you have to alter your life if you want to make changes like you state = lifting is a way of life! NEVER FORGET THAT IT IS A LIFE CHOICE NOT A HALF ASSED PROCESS, some make it that and they go know where. You will sometimes say "why do I do this, what is this for, then the time comes when you walk into a place and everyone knows your different than them, BETTER than them they want to be like you!!! STOP all cardio, take protein shakes (big blast tastes great (protein factory) and train hard. You will see gains-I went from 145 to 175 in less than 6 months but it took every ounce of my extra energy that I had after school, spouse, life had taken the rest. I can say it is worth it. BTW no one bulks and cuts at the same time, I found elite fitness after seaching google for the ARNOLD BURGER (after reading his bio) and never looked back, these are great people here and all the info you need from training to nutrition and every thing else. You should spend at least a year before you use any kind of AAS. then run a TEST only cycle and you will be right where you want to be! PM me for any advise
Endlesscutting
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Big Blast from Protein Factory will work well and tastes good to. Muscle milks are a good choice for a daily snack along with your extra meals instead of soda or juice, this will help get your protein content up and calorie content up.
Foods you should be eating daily.
Chicken, Turkey, Lean cuts of Beef, Oatmeal , Protein Shakes, Whole grain breads, nuts, Dairy ( milk brother is does a body good drink a lot, great in protein shake )
You should be eating every 2 hours if possible and should always have a protein source with every single time something goes in your mouth. If you wake up in the middle of the night to pee or something have a shake. at night is when you heal so if you are up long enough to pee take in some extra protein.
Foods you should be eating daily.
Chicken, Turkey, Lean cuts of Beef, Oatmeal , Protein Shakes, Whole grain breads, nuts, Dairy ( milk brother is does a body good drink a lot, great in protein shake )
You should be eating every 2 hours if possible and should always have a protein source with every single time something goes in your mouth. If you wake up in the middle of the night to pee or something have a shake. at night is when you heal so if you are up long enough to pee take in some extra protein.
Endlesscutting
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btw let's welcome this man with some good karma cause he had the foresight to get his ass in here and ask before doing something stupid, i didn't know much about this special topic when i first came to these boards and i still have tons to learn but the amount i have already taken in is invaluable.
Nise, stick around brother, with this family here you will obtain your goals faster than you imagined and will be much much better off.
Nise, stick around brother, with this family here you will obtain your goals faster than you imagined and will be much much better off.
RADAR
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Muscle Milk as stated I live on those buggers, get 2 grams protein for every lb of bodyweight, get your butt to gym and Train.
I can help with training if you want to pm me.
RADAR
littleb
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i agree with everything above, you need to bump up protein bigtime and eat more cals. train 4-5 times a week.. only thing i half disagree with is the cardio.. still do your cardio AFTER you weight train just maybe cut it back a little.. and for extra protein, try the protein shots in the test tubes, may not taste great but its only 1 gulp and done thats 27-49 grams in one swallow plus no mixing.. they just cost more$$$
THATS AWESOME and so true
You guys are great!!!! I'm really liking the support I'm finding here. Thanx for all the advice, muscle milk does taste good been drinking about 6-8 of them a day. I've always been a avid milk drinker so that's no problem. I'll make sure to keep updates as I proceed. I'll be requestin help soon with my workout just to make sure my trainin is right. Once again thanx guys..
