Advice/Suggestions for first cycle

[Turbo4V]

I know these threads prolly get old, but here we go. I am getting ready to do my first cycle and looking for some input. Wanting some suggestions on what would be ideal to take my first time and would help meet my goals. Here is a little info.

31 years old
175lbs or so and prolly about 12% BF
Keto diet
4 day a week workout

Over the last 6/7 years have been in and out of the gym and been very steady for the last 2 or so. Over the last 4 years I have lost about 60lbs mainly by diet and lifting as I have done very little cardio. Typically just bust my butt in the gym and have had great success pairing that with the Keto diet. My goals are to put on a little weight or atleast stay the same while gaining muscle/ lose some fat. Would like to get into the single digit body fat and add some size/ strength if possible. Here are a few things I have been looking at. Looking for some experienced people to tell me if I am way off base or not

Primo, Test E, Anavar, Masteron

Are these good choices for first cycle? If so how would you dose them? Thanks in advance.

 

[kc17]

every one will advise you to stick to one compound for your 1st cycle.. mine was test e and i gained 15 llbs out of 10 weeks..
I will do test e 10 weeks and anavar.. for now ... primo and mast are great tho !!! but you wont add much mass look into ck's log .. he's currently doing some mast , primo ..etc

 

[zwhit]

Yeah, most will say stick to one compound for a first cycle. The most common is Test E or C for 10-12 weeks and 500mg/week. You can cut on test no problem.

I see no problem running Test + 1 more you listed. For a first cycle, Test and Anavar might be the easiest. With the Var ran the last 5 weeks of the cycle. Some like to kickstart but I say why not use it when the test has already peaked so you're getting more out of it.

 

[zwhit]

Definately wouldn't run all 4 though. No need to on first cycle....Not to mention those are probably the most $$$

 

[Turbo4V]

Yeah didn't mean run all them. Just looking for some advice. Thanks for the input. So general rule is just some test and maybe one other to kickstart it? I had considered a lower dose of test and some primo or var?

 

[fat_bastard]

Front-load the Test E.
W1: 750mg
W2-10: 500mg

Tamoxifen (Nolvodex) to prevent gyno.

Good PCT follow-up: clomid+HCG
[Unless you don't care about your nards, kids, or natural Test in the future.]

Test is a very good 1st cycle, and easy on the organs--esp. pinning rather than orals.

Dropped 25lbs on my 1st cycle--mostly fat--with something similar to this & the diet you describe. Put on alot of hard muscle.

Start some cardio, though -- works/enhances the legs-core, and relieves systemic strains. Go for balance everywhere.

 

[millser4]

Go with a more aggressive pct and don't frontload test just do this:

1-10 test e or c 500mg.
Optional: 6-10 anavar 50mg.

Pct/on cycle supps:
Forma stanzol- 5 pumps am 5 pumps pm 2-10
Hcgenerate or double dose bridge 6-10
Clomid 25mg 11-14
Post cycle 11-14
Unleashed 11-14

Better to run an aggressive pct than a weak one. This will help solidify gains and make your recovery smooth.

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[jackedntan]

1 Test e @ 1000mg/wk
2-12 Test e @ 500mg/wk
5-12 Anavar @ 50mg/ED
Pct starting 2 wks after last inject
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Aromasin 12.5mg ED
Unleashed/postcycle
Phytoserms347
Hcg wks 5-12 at 250iu twice weekly stoping same time as your last inject of test.
This should be a pretty good cutter for a first cycle. The only reason I recommend adding the var is because at your bf % u should be able to take advantage of its effects. Also if u didn't want to frontload the test u could use the var as a kickstart.
Hope this helps bro

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[HAYEZ]

id do
1-10 test 500mg ew
1-8 var 50mg ed
hcg 500iu evry 4days wk 3-4 days before pct starts
pct
nolvadex 40mgx1-2 weeks
20mgx3-4 weeks

good diet and hitting the weights hard you shold gain a few lbs while leaning up

 

[Turbo4V]

Thanks guys. Will start looking at some sources. Only reason I was looking at the Primo was looking at the minimal sides.

 

[Turbo4V]

Alright. Been reading a lot and getting my PCT lined up. Almost ready and need a little more advice. I am the most indecisive person out there and analyze stuff probably more than I need.

1-10.. Test E@500
Anavar... Had planned on front loading it wk 1-6@50mg ed. This is where I am not sure as some say to run it at the end. Suggestions?

On Cycle... N2Gard, Forma and HCGenerate.

PCT.. Post Cycle/Unleashed Combo

Can y'all give me an idea of the best way to run the HCGenerate? I have read several ways and just want my timing to be right. Should I add anything else for PCT? Nolva or Clomid? Sorry for all the questions, but the help is appreciated.

 

[Turbo4V]

Anyone got any feedback? Bout to get the test. The dang var is high dollar and wondering if there was a better option if I am looking to help cut some bodyfat. Diet and Cardio are in check.

 

[millser4]

Alright. Been reading a lot and getting my PCT lined up. Almost ready and need a little more advice. I am the most indecisive person out there and analyze stuff probably more than I need.

1-10.. Test E@500
Anavar... Had planned on front loading it wk 1-6@50mg ed. This is where I am not sure as some say to run it at the end. Suggestions?

On Cycle... N2Gard, Forma and HCGenerate.

PCT.. Post Cycle/Unleashed Combo

Can y'all give me an idea of the best way to run the HCGenerate? I have read several ways and just want my timing to be right. Should I add anything else for PCT? Nolva or Clomid? Sorry for all the questions, but the help is appreciated.

I like to run 25 mg of clomid along with post cycle and unleashed. As far as Hcgenerate I like to use it weeks 6-10.


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[casey21]

id do
1-10 test 500mg ew
1-8 var 50mg ed
hcg 500iu evry 4days wk 3-4 days before pct starts
pct
nolvadex 40mgx1-2 weeks
20mgx3-4 weeks

good diet and hitting the weights hard you shold gain a few lbs while leaning up

Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't there be a 2 week break from the HCG about weeks 6-7? And also wouldn't 250- 300iu's e4d be sufficient?

 

[casey21]

Anyone got any feedback? Bout to get the test. The dang var is high dollar and wondering if there was a better option if I am looking to help cut some bodyfat. Diet and Cardio are in check.

If you want something cheaper than Var to jump start your cycle, I highly recommend tbol. If your diet and cardio are truly in check then you should have no problem going from 12%bf to around 9%bf without Var. Dont look at it like you NEED another steriod to cut down on the body fat considering its only a few points you're trying to shave off. Tbol will put on more muscle, and is cheaper than var. Hard work and diet will get you to your goals

 

[bigbob53]

hey dont use anything to jump start your cycle. its your first one and your gonna get crazy gains. man just from the thought of you being on juice your gonna be getting a better workout. now kick everything that they told you to take except for the test, clomid and nolva. since you taking test i recommend you get off that high fat diet not good health wise mixed with the test. if you havent gotten your nolva yet try to get arimedex.

take your test 500mg/week
if you run into gyno take your aremidex if you end up buying it
wait 2 weeks and run the clomid

there is no reason for you to take hcg or anything else

 

[Turbo4V]

Thanks guys for the advice. Why is a Keto diet not good with test? I am not opposed to eating different if it's a better choice. I will already have Post Cycle/Unleashed to use in PCT as well. I have just figured I might as well have stuff on hand since I would rather be safe than sorry. Had also planned on using Forma while on. You are saying this is all over kill? My main thing is I don't want the bloated look and would like to have minimal water retention.

 

[bigbob53]

with keto diet your eating high fat foods right? its just that test messes with your cholesterol and lipids and all that good stuff idk it jus didn't look right when i first seen it. but ive never done it and i havent been able to find any medical journals or posts on here that say you shouldn't do it, so its up to you.

yea if you dont want that bloating look keep the femera i think thats what your referring to when you say forma. if so i think these guys run .5 ed i would go .5mg eod

 

[Turbo4V]

Got ya. Yes its a high fat diet without the carbs. As far as Forma I was talking about Forma Stanazol. I have the test part down it's just deciding what and if to add something with it.

 

[kc17]

turbo .. track your diet .. that way you know if you r eating accordingly

do something like 40/40/20 protein , fats , carbs....

fitday.com

 

[RADAR]

the beauty of forma is its anti E properties and its good also for PCT!

Theres no need to frontload test ,you're gonna get crazy gains anyway.

since eating is 90% of the battle .....Read this

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-build-muscle-loose-fat-then-read-712503.html

 

[Turbo4V]

Thanks Radar. I have read that thread several times. I have been on a CKD for over a year and have had great results and thought the diet would be fine. Like I said I don't mind changing though. Just hard to change something that worked ya know.

 

[bigbob53]

like i said before dont add anythign jus run the test.

i dont know much about forma so i really cant help you there. if its like winstrol id stay away since its your first cycle. again i have no idea what forma is so you might need to get advice from someone else on that.

but if you do choose to run it than the only other thing you will need to add at the end of your cycle is the clomid.