advice on next cycle - M18,zyg, txlonghorn, any mods or vets?

[cutler31]

Here is my next cycle, want to get some comments...how does it look? Im currently 5'8, 193, 11% bf....my workout partner will be doing the same cycle, he is 6'0, 197, 12% bf. We both will be eating around 5000 calories and 300g protein. Will be front loading the test and deca...btw this is our 2nd cycle, on our 1st we both gained around 30lbs and kept 25lbs.

D-bol Test Deca Fina
1 50mg. 1,200 600 ----
2 50 1,200 600 ----
3 50 600 300 ----
4 50 600 300 -----
5 50 600 300 ------
6 40 600 300 75 ed
7 --- 600 300 75 ed
8 --- 600 300 75 ed
9 --- 600 300 75 ed
10 --- 600 ---- 75 ed
11 --- ---- ----- 75 ed
12 --- ---- ----- 75eod
13 ..................Clomid Therapy: Day 1- 300mg
Day 2-9 100mg Then 2 weeks at 50mg

couple questions I do have.....should i only run the dbol 5 weeks and drop the 6th wk taper? and on the test 600 or 750? if i do 750 do i need to up the dose on my frontload? is 300 a wk enough on the deca? and should i stop the deca at wk 9, with it being a longer lasting ester? fina for wks 6-10 or 6-12? thanks for any advice you guys might have....

 

[cutler31]

also...

what do you guys think of these brands.....

ttoyyko test cyp
ttoyyko deca
loeffler dbol 50mg tabs.

 

[flickenu]

I don't see the need to frontload if you have the dbol in there. It seems as if you're looking to put on as much mass as possible here so I'd go----

Dbol 40 mg weeks 1-5
Test 750 mg weeks 1-10
Deca 600 mg weeks 1-10
Fina 75 mg eod weeks 6-12

The only problem I see with the cycle above is that both the deca and the fina are going to be pushing the envelope as far as progesterone induced gyno. If you could get your hands on some winny I'd put that in there to combat it.

 

[Zyglamail]

The only problem I see with the cycle above is that both the deca and the fina are going to be pushing the envelope as far as progesterone induced gyno

Thats something that would worry me too, unless you have used deca with no fina before at a much higher dose and know how you tolerate it.


As for a frontload, I personally believe a frontload should be used with a kickstart oral or not. The reason being is this. On a normal flat cycle blood levels climb from inj #1 all the way to after the last injection. There is no platue or level blood levels in the cycle, they just continuously rise. On a frontloaded cycle, the blood levels rise much sooner and remain flatter, which gives you the benefit of having more androgens in the blood for a longer period of time during the course of the cycle.

Also consider that all AAS are not created equal. dbol is not going to give you the nice hard keepable gains that EQ will so kickstarting a cycle with dbol and not front loading is in essence trading a few weeks of dbol results for those of eq. If your really trying to bulk, I would say frontload and use dbol.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I agree with Zyg. I like the cycle but I would switch the Deca for some Eq as that high of a dose with Deca could cause some progesterone problems and when you combine it with Fina the chances get even better of the progesterone sides. Front load the Eq and Test and I like the way you added in the D-Bol and Fina so I would leave it like that. I think Liquidex through out this cycle would be a good addition as well if you have the $$ for it. Good luck!

M18

 

[needleboy]

Deca and fina together are fine, just add 50mg/day of winny and no worries! Doing it right now, great gains, and no joint problems- which at my age is a BIG deal-LOL

Chineese Winny are just the ticket!!

God wouldn't life be grand if there was an AS that functioned as an anti-E, like Winny does for progesterone??