Adding IGF

[cigardave007]

My current cycle is
200 Test Cyp
75mg prop ED
75mg Tren ED
50mg Turinabol (Start this tomorrow)

I have a few xtra bucks and was thinking of adding 40mcg ED LR3 IGF(Omega Labs) for 25 days
I've been told it works well cuttin fat, especially with Tren

Would adding the IGF be good? What could be expected? Loaded question, I know)

thanks

 

[M&M]

Looking at doing the same as you and need info as well

 

[jeb0177]

igf can be really dangerous. research more about it.

 

[borg4902]

Dangerous? Hows that? Its not insulin. I think anadrol is far more dangerous than Igf.

 

[Mr.X]

igf can be really dangerous. research more about it.

that's BS

 

[Mr.X]

My current cycle is
200 Test Cyp
75mg prop ED
75mg Tren ED
50mg Turinabol (Start this tomorrow)

I have a few xtra bucks and was thinking of adding 40mcg ED LR3 IGF(Omega Labs) for 25 days
I've been told it works well cuttin fat, especially with Tren

Would adding the IGF be good? What could be expected? Loaded question, I know)

thanks

I don't see why not, I've used AGs receptor grade IGF-1 and it works great.

What could you expect? fat-loss , more pumps, and you'll be hungry more.

 

[jeb0177]

OOOOh my bad I got confused bro.

 

[jeb0177]

yep you're right I can fucking tell. I got a blood cyst from anadrol on my right lobe of my liver. not dangerous cyst it shrank with time, I still have to go get a ct scan to see how it looks now to start my next cycle but this time no orals for me maybe next cycle.

Dangerous? Hows that? Its not insulin. I think anadrol is far more dangerous than Igf.

 

[Mr.X]

yep you're right I can fucking tell. I got a blood cyst from anadrol on my right lobe of my liver. not dangerous cyst it shrank with time, I still have to go get a ct scan to see how it looks now to start my next cycle but this time no orals for me maybe next cycle.

Anadrol is way too hard on you, I would suggest using lighter orals if you go for 17aas.

Mr.X

 

[jeb0177]

yep, I still have like 400 tabs of the 5mg pinkies british dragon dbols but I wanted to try anadrol and fucked up. I was taking milk thisle and it didn't helped, but that shit is the bomb as far as gain but it's the bomb on your liver waiting to explode I asked my doctor if it was because of the test and he said exactly what is says on the profiles "it's toxic in mega amounts, the liver can hadle test really good, it was the anadrol!!!", I was doing a cycle of 500mg of test and 600mg of deca with 150mg/d anadrol, and he also told me "Problem is, this makes the liver work hard to break down this substance which places a strain on it, it can become overworked (it was overworked ie. toxicified). When it can't do its job, it leaks bilibrubin into the bloodstream which causes itching, and eventually yellowing of the skin.

I have experienced the itching stage, when my AST/ALT were "only" 25% over high-normal. but I also had like pinches like pins into my liver area, under my right rib in the front right quadrant and it would reflect the pain to the back, but it wasn't constant though but my blood work came out regular but it showed bilibrubin high in my b test.

take care of your selfs bros, like the doc told me "the body itself tells you that enough is enough". and to go with just injectables that are not toxic if I was going to continue using steroids. he got mad anyways though.

Anadrol is way too hard on you, I would suggest using lighter orals if you go for 17aas.

Mr.X

 

[Guvna]

that's BS

Neoplasms much?




"Cancer Risk: Growth hormone causes the liver to increase its production of insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1), which is thought to play a role in breast cell growth and lactation. Elevations of blood levels of IGF-1 are associated with a greater risk for prostate and breast cancer.17,18 In laboratory tests, IGF-1 encourages breast cancer cells to multiply and is more potent in this regard even than estrogens.19,20 Slight elevations of growth hormone, with corresponding increases in IGF-1, may be one reason why tall women have a higher risk of breast cancer, compared to shorter women.21,23 One study showed that women over 5’6” have double the risk of women below 5’3”, particularly for premenopausal breast cancer.21

Several cases of leukemia have been reported in hormone-deficient children receiving hGH, but there is little evidence implicating hGH as a cause. Hormone deficiencies can be caused by brain tumors, which are sometimes treated with radiation. The leukemia may be linked to the radiation or to underlying genetic abnormalities, rather than to the hGH.

In approving hGH for use in non-hormone-deficient children, the Food and Drug Administration cited a “16-year safety history.”10 However, increased risk of hormone-related cancers may not be detected until after a longer latency period.

Renal Effects: For children who have kidney problems, growth hormone may aggravate their already poor kidney function, possibly by increasing the rate of blood flow through the kidney and the rate at which the kidneys filter the blood. One case report describes a child with preexisting kidney disease went into end-stage kidney failure after treatment with hGH.24

Metabolic Changes: Growth hormone increases the metabolism, that is, the rate at which the cells of the body consume fuel and nutrients. Some children may become unusually lean, losing body fat and becoming inappropriately muscular.25

Antibody Production: In some children, hGH stimulates the production of antibodies to growth hormone. It is presumed that these antibodies will not interfere with their own growth hormone,26 but researchers are monitoring this possibility."

 

[jeb0177]

see see i knew it, but everything can be dangerous even an aspirin.

Also, if you guys remember the whole Tom Prince thing he said that his doctor told him it wasnt the high levels of test, hgh, and all the anabolics but it was the 8-20 advil per day he was taking that destroyed his kidneys.

good info guvna. thx.

Neoplasms much?




"Cancer Risk: Growth hormone causes the liver to increase its production of insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1), which is thought to play a role in breast cell growth and lactation. Elevations of blood levels of IGF-1 are associated with a greater risk for prostate and breast cancer.17,18 In laboratory tests, IGF-1 encourages breast cancer cells to multiply and is more potent in this regard even than estrogens.19,20 Slight elevations of growth hormone, with corresponding increases in IGF-1, may be one reason why tall women have a higher risk of breast cancer, compared to shorter women.21,23 One study showed that women over 5’6” have double the risk of women below 5’3”, particularly for premenopausal breast cancer.21

Several cases of leukemia have been reported in hormone-deficient children receiving hGH, but there is little evidence implicating hGH as a cause. Hormone deficiencies can be caused by brain tumors, which are sometimes treated with radiation. The leukemia may be linked to the radiation or to underlying genetic abnormalities, rather than to the hGH.

In approving hGH for use in non-hormone-deficient children, the Food and Drug Administration cited a “16-year safety history.”10 However, increased risk of hormone-related cancers may not be detected until after a longer latency period.

Renal Effects: For children who have kidney problems, growth hormone may aggravate their already poor kidney function, possibly by increasing the rate of blood flow through the kidney and the rate at which the kidneys filter the blood. One case report describes a child with preexisting kidney disease went into end-stage kidney failure after treatment with hGH.24

Metabolic Changes: Growth hormone increases the metabolism, that is, the rate at which the cells of the body consume fuel and nutrients. Some children may become unusually lean, losing body fat and becoming inappropriately muscular.25

Antibody Production: In some children, hGH stimulates the production of antibodies to growth hormone. It is presumed that these antibodies will not interfere with their own growth hormone,26 but researchers are monitoring this possibility."

 

[Mr.X]

Neoplasms much?




"Cancer Risk: Growth hormone causes the liver to increase its production of insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1), which is thought to play a role in breast cell growth and lactation. Elevations of blood levels of IGF-1 are associated with a greater risk for prostate and breast cancer.17,18 In laboratory tests, IGF-1 encourages breast cancer cells to multiply and is more potent in this regard even than estrogens.19,20 Slight elevations of growth hormone, with corresponding increases in IGF-1, may be one reason why tall women have a higher risk of breast cancer, compared to shorter women.21,23 One study showed that women over 5’6” have double the risk of women below 5’3”, particularly for premenopausal breast cancer.21

Several cases of leukemia have been reported in hormone-deficient children receiving hGH, but there is little evidence implicating hGH as a cause. Hormone deficiencies can be caused by brain tumors, which are sometimes treated with radiation. The leukemia may be linked to the radiation or to underlying genetic abnormalities, rather than to the hGH.

In approving hGH for use in non-hormone-deficient children, the Food and Drug Administration cited a “16-year safety history.”10 However, increased risk of hormone-related cancers may not be detected until after a longer latency period.

Renal Effects: For children who have kidney problems, growth hormone may aggravate their already poor kidney function, possibly by increasing the rate of blood flow through the kidney and the rate at which the kidneys filter the blood. One case report describes a child with preexisting kidney disease went into end-stage kidney failure after treatment with hGH.24

Metabolic Changes: Growth hormone increases the metabolism, that is, the rate at which the cells of the body consume fuel and nutrients. Some children may become unusually lean, losing body fat and becoming inappropriately muscular.25

Antibody Production: In some children, hGH stimulates the production of antibodies to growth hormone. It is presumed that these antibodies will not interfere with their own growth hormone,26 but researchers are monitoring this possibility."

a few things, I'm not a child with kidney problems; another thing is that AS causes just about the same problems as IGF-1. Long-term use of AS has MANY MANY side-effects, I don't even have enough time to list it here. But it's by no means dangerous when used in the context of our world of bodybuilding, GH and IGF-1 are widely used.

Mr.X

 

[jeb0177]

that's right Mr. X

a few things, I'm not a child with kidney problems; another thing is that AS causes just about the same problems as IGF-1. Long-term use of AS has MANY MANY side-effects, I don't even have enough time to list it here. But it's by no means dangerous when used in the context of our world of bodybuilding, GH and IGF-1 are widely used.

Mr.X

 

[Guvna]

a few things, I'm not a child with kidney problems

true

; another thing is that AS causes just about the same problems as IGF-1.

I disagree.

Long-term use of AS has MANY MANY side-effects, I don't even have enough time to list it here.

very true.

But it's by no means dangerous when used in the context of our world of bodybuilding, GH and IGF-1 are widely used.
What does widely used have to with not being dangerous? Cigarettes are widely used, and they are a top killer.

Mr.X

I am looking for a study I once saw in which men with over 10 (forget the unit) of GH had DOUBLE (!!!) the mortality rates from various ailments, as men with normal ranges of GH.



Gh also worsens CHF. CHF runs in my family, so I wont be using it any time soon. Also, 30 percent of people die from heart problems, and 30 percent die from cancer.


That right there gives a 60% chance of making things worse by you ( or me) taking GH. That is not a risk I am will to accept. I suspect IGF-1 is even worse.

 

[Mr.X]

I am looking for a study I once saw in which men with over 10 (forget the unit) of GH had DOUBLE (!!!) the mortality rates from various ailments, as men with normal ranges of GH.



Gh also worsens CHF. CHF runs in my family, so I wont be using it any time soon. Also, 30 percent of people die from heart problems, and 30 percent die from cancer.


That right there gives a 60% chance of making things worse by you ( or me) taking GH. That is not a risk I am will to accept. I suspect IGF-1 is even worse.

Bro GH is not only used in bodybuilding it's used as HRT for men, prescribed by doctors for HRT and for AIDS patients. Any studies you show me pale in the sigt of studies about DNP use - commonly used by bodybuilders.

Did you know that eating McDonalds daily can increase your risk of dying 4 fold??? oooo, did you know that milk has IGF and GH? did you know that most meat you buy has IGF-1 GH and anti-biotics in them?

bro don't witch-hunt something we all know facts about, you're wasting your time

you can day in 12 hours from DNP, enough said

Mr.X

 

[jeb0177]

no drugs are good for you in the long run. steroids can kill you over time with the bad cholesterol and high blood pressures. Those are all problems that lead to bigger problems that kill you...I think if you monitor yourself on cycle and make sure things like blood pressure do not get too far out of whack then you are probably fine assuming you don't take them forever. These pro BBers take huge doses for years and a lot of them live to be old...just like people that never touch a thing drop dead in their 20s or before even.

Albert Beckles was still huge in his 60s. He is still alive and in his 70s, he was born in 1930. i'm not saying that roids are ''good'' for you, but if used properly and with all the right precautions the health risks are pretty minimal IMO

I am looking for a study I once saw in which men with over 10 (forget the unit) of GH had DOUBLE (!!!) the mortality rates from various ailments, as men with normal ranges of GH.
Gh also worsens CHF. CHF runs in my family, so I wont be using it any time soon. Also, 30 percent of people die from heart problems, and 30 percent die from cancer.
That right there gives a 60% chance of making things worse by you ( or me) taking GH. That is not a risk I am will to accept. I suspect IGF-1 is even worse.

 

[Guvna]

Bro GH is not only used in bodybuilding it's used as HRT for men, prescribed by doctors for HRT and for AIDS patients. Any studies you show me pale in the sigt of studies about DNP use - commonly used by bodybuilders.

Did you know that eating McDonalds daily can increase your risk of dying 4 fold??? oooo, did you know that milk has IGF and GH? did you know that most meat you buy has IGF-1 GH and anti-biotics in them?

bro don't witch-hunt something we all know facts about, you're wasting your time

you can day in 12 hours from DNP, enough said

Mr.X

trust me bro. I know the facts.

Men in their their 40-50s+ using small amounts of GH for the rest of their lives is FAR different than guys in their 20s and 30s using for many many years (if not the rest of their lives) at high doses. Also, when is the last time you have seen IGF perscribled? AIDS patients have less than 20 years to live, no matter their age. It is about quality for them. 6ius day for a year or more in a 25 year old has nothing to do with the "quality" of his life.

I eat no Mc Donalds.
I eat nothing derived from a cow (milk, meat, gelatin caps-NOTHING)
All my meats are organic and IGF and anti-biotic free (at least thats what the tell me).


No question DNP is worse than IGF, but when and why did that ever come up??

 

[Guvna]

no drugs are good for you in the long run. steroids can kill you over time with the bad cholesterol and high blood pressures. Those are all problems that lead to bigger problems that kill you...I think if you monitor yourself on cycle and make sure things like blood pressure do not get too far out of whack then you are probably fine assuming you don't take them forever. These pro BBers take huge doses for years and a lot of them live to be old...just like people that never touch a thing drop dead in their 20s or before even.

Albert Beckles was still huge in his 60s. He is still alive and in his 70s, he was born in 1930. i'm not saying that roids are ''good'' for you, but if used properly and with all the right precautions the health risks are pretty minimal IMO

I agree.

 

[Mr.X]

No question DNP is worse than IGF, but when and why did that ever come up??

showing you that in the bodybuilding community IGF is not the big scary product, there are a TON of others from nubain to DNP that will kill you in 12-24 hours! Either way, you make a valid point, but AS use in itself has so many dangers that it's really not applicable.

You all YOUR meats are organic and you don't drink milk, but most people buy regular meat and most people do eat dairy products. Don't make this out to be worse then it is, IGF-1 is not that dangerous.

Mr.X

 

[Guvna]

showing you that in the bodybuilding community IGF is not the big scary product, there are a TON of others from nubain to DNP that will kill you in 12-24 hours! Either way, you make a valid point, but AS use in itself has so many dangers that it's really not applicable.

You all YOUR meats are organic and you don't drink milk, but most people buy regular meat and most people do eat dairy products. Don't make this out to be worse then it is, IGF-1 is not that dangerous.

Mr.X

I believe that ARE many more dangerous things in BBing that IGF.

I believe that Steroids can be very bad for some, and not effect some (same with smoking).

I believe IGF is worse than (most) steroids (done in a nonabusive fashion).

I also believe IGF is also more dangerous than people make it out to be.


I also believe we can agree to disagree.

 

[Mr.X]

I believe that Steroids can be very bad for some, and not effect some (same with smoking).

you don't think smoking is dangerous?

I also believe we can agree to disagree.

agreed

 

[Guvna]

you don't think smoking is dangerous?

I think smoking is extremly dangerous. But some people can smoke for years and seem to have no health effects from it. My grandmother smoked for 60 years, and she is almost 90 now, and is still fine. Her best friend started smoking with her, and died a few years later from lung cancer. Point? everyone is different- same with gear usage. What is problematic for someone may cause no problems whatsover in another person, and vice versa.

 

[Mr.X]

I think smoking is extremly dangerous. But some people can smoke for years and seem to have no health effects from it. My grandmother smoked for 60 years, and she is almost 90 now, and is still fine. Her best friend started smoking with her, and died a few years later from lung cancer. Point? everyone is different- same with gear usage. What is problematic for someone may cause no problems whatsover in another person, and vice versa.

everyone IS different, you're 100% correct, but it's rare that people live long when they spend most of their life smoking.

 

[cigardave007]

Thanks everyone for hijacking my thread. You guys are really helpful and professional.