Adding Cals to my diet.

[Rabid_Goose]

Well, I've asked in my log and got some help and other places, but still wanting more help, or well, just more options. I'm looking to Bulk up even though I'm already fat. I want to make sure when I cut down to 10% I will not go below 185 because I made a promise to my wife I won't weigh less then 175, but I changed that to 185. Cutting isn't hard for me, I can keep cutting down and chiseling away but I don't want to be some thin leaf that is going to be blown away in the wind. My first 3 meals of the day are not hard to get my calories in at all, it is later in the afternoon (I work 5:15pm to 2-3am) that I have trouble putting in calories. On vacation all week and I've been practicing squats for my 5x5 routine and making my ATF Squat as good as it can get. So energetic and bored right now I will be adding today as a Squat Practice at my Gym and I also find out my BF% tomorrow.

Anywho, sorry I ramble a lot. My first meal is 940 cals, 4 scrambled eggs, 4 toast, 2 servings of bacon. Thick sliced bacon that is and 2 cups of 1% milk. Then before I lift I'm going to eat a cup of oats with my Animal Pak, maybe just make it into oatmeal for the extra calories from 1% milk and that will throw me upto 1340.

Then after my lifting I come home and make a nice large shake, Thanks to BiggT, ON WHey 2 scoops, 2 servings ANPB, 2 servings Vitamin Enriched D Milk, 1 serving of Chocolate Ice Cream which gives me 1160 and puts me up to a grand total of 2500.

Rice makes me want to puke for some reason, no idea why. And my later meals are Chicken and Turkey Breast Cutlets (Crapload of protein in em) and that puts me up to probably 3200 cals. Plus my snack at break which will throw me up to 3500.

Ya'all have anything I can add to my Chicken or Turkey Cutlets for more cals instead of Bread? I'm thinking 2 servings Olive Oil for the Mon fat in it. I'd like to hit 4,000 calories once my ATF Squat form is great, DL Form is great, and my 5RM on bench is 205.

I can only give Karma Tips because I'm not Plat yet but plan to be soon. Heading to the gym now and Thanks a ton for any tips and help guys.

Oh and stats right now is 5RM on ATF Squats is 125 http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif
Unhappy My DL 5RM is 225 and my bench 5RM is 185, I had a bad day on monday and only got it 3 times. I am 5'7 and just a little bit more, I weigh 197 if I shed all this water weight but the scale says 206.

 

[stilleto]

nuts, peanut butter, milk, cheese, baked potatos

 

[gettnlarge01]

Drink milk with every meal.Snack on peanut butter between meals.Set the alarm and get up during the night to have another shake or snack.

 

[Rabid_Goose]

I'm buying skim milk and taking it too work for drinking 2-3 cups there a night and requesting I Be allowed to bring food on the line, almonds, and eat two ounces a night plus some olive oil.

Also putting a serving of bacon on my Turkey BReast Cutlet Sandwhiches and that raises it up just 220, but still does.

Almost making it to 4,000.

 

[gettnlarge01]

It can be hard to find ways to get the calories in but it will get easier.When bulking I keep a jar of peanut butter with me at all times to snack on when time permits.

 

[Rabid_Goose]

It is building, it seems like building my calories up is just like gaining poundage on training. Just every week add a bit more and a bit more and a bit more.

I'm hoping I can eat rice once again here soon. I want to puke when I eat whole grain rice now because of how much I ate when dieting. In a week or so I'll try it again.

 

[gettnlarge01]

How"s the calorie adding going for ya goose?

 

[Rabid_Goose]

Good, I'm still mixiing and matching and as I knew from the start it will take awhile. I rocketed up to 208 from 197 in less then a week and a half but that was from being bloated and body not used to such an intake. But after going back to work frm being on vacation I'm down to 204 now and thinking I need to find more cals.

But right now I can get up to 3360, and that is without anything on 2nd break. So I will be adding probably a serving of ANPB at 2nd break at work with a cup of milk, and at lunch adding 2 cups of milk and that should set me upto 3,600 or 3700.

Just going to keep mixing and matching. Also, I think I'll be adding in some more food by eating it while I work. Some cereal bars or something. Maybe regular peanuts?

 

[gettnlarge01]

Great job!!It took more time for me to find a diet that worked than anything else. Keep us updated nice to hear of someone making progress.

 

[Bald Gorilla]

If you can't eat rice, get stuffing. I love it.

ALso, you can sautee some chopped up potatoes with onions and olive oil to eat w/ chicken or turkey...

Try eating beans instead of rice, too. Just buy a few cans and tear them bitches up!

 

[Rabid_Goose]

Hell, I forgot all about stuffing. I'll have to look that crap up next time I'm in the Grocery Store. And not sure about beans, I've always hated him but haven't tried them in awhile. That and if they got some cals I'll force feed myself like I did the rice.

 

[gettnlarge01]

Kidney beans have some decent protein too!!

 

[Rabid_Goose]

Right now I am cutting back on my calories because even when I was eating 3500 I managed to lose about pound over two weeks, maybe even two pounds. I think I'm going to work until all my gains hit the plateu which should be here in a few weeks and then set them back once and work them up again. From there I'm going to take PureMCC just to see what kind of an effect it will have, and if it does, work that up to plateu and there I will try to find my calorie excess.

It will probably take 6-8 months for me to do that but, if I live to I'm 75, what is 50+ years for just 6-8 months doing something I'll enjoy anyways? I'm sure I could make faster gains but I'm just going to eat a lot of healthy fats till then. I eat around 2 ounces almonds a day, 2 ounces peanuts and about 5 servings of ANPB haha. I'm sure it will all pan out in the end but I would like to see personally how big of a difference doing those two things will make.

 

[gettnlarge01]

I cycle my calories to keep from having too eat more food than I do.That is the only way I can keep adding bodyweight.It gets old having to stuff yourself all the time I know. Keep us updated.

 

[Quadsweeps Sister]

Right now I am cutting back on my calories because even when I was eating 3500 I managed to lose about pound over two weeks, maybe even two pounds. I think I'm going to work until all my gains hit the plateu which should be here in a few weeks and then set them back once and work them up again. From there I'm going to take PureMCC just to see what kind of an effect it will have, and if it does, work that up to plateu and there I will try to find my calorie excess.

It will probably take 6-8 months for me to do that but, if I live to I'm 75, what is 50+ years for just 6-8 months doing something I'll enjoy anyways? I'm sure I could make faster gains but I'm just going to eat a lot of healthy fats till then. I eat around 2 ounces almonds a day, 2 ounces peanuts and about 5 servings of ANPB haha. I'm sure it will all pan out in the end but I would like to see personally how big of a difference doing those two things will make.

So.... what did your bodyfat test read? I'm just curious... And what's this stuff anyway about promising your wife you won't drop below 175? Is that 175 at 25% bodyfat or 175 at 10% bodyfat. I would imagine there is a lot to be considered here... The comment you made in your first post is the only one that stays with me ..." ...I'm looking to bulk up, but I'm still fat..." That made me laugh, and to be honest I'm not sure if your looking for more ice cream in this diet or something better.

 

[Bald Gorilla]

Rock on, brother.

 

[Rabid_Goose]

Well, for starters the guy did BF% wrong. Pinching more then an inch and only did 4 areas. My back, well more on my love handle on the side then my back. My stomach, then kind of my tricep and kind of my bicep. He told me I was 29% and I about laughed. As soon as he was done he started giving me tips on how to eat healthier and if I take his Personal Training then he can show me. I saw this guy in action, he is the owner of the gym. Hell, he has an employee on a routine that involes Dead Lifts on the Smith Machine followed by squats the next day that aren't even close to parallel. He has everyone in his PT thing do Squats on Smith that are about 500 feet from Parallel. Anyways, my wife measured all my bits and pieces and we did a couple of online sites and that averaged ended up being 20% or 21% from 4 different websites with measurements with a tape measure. I'm going to find someone to scan an old picture of me when I was at 245 about 3 years ago, I was 255 when I Started dieting then I'm posting more pictures of me right now to view from a year from now.

Okay, sorry very long winded, I ramble in my head a lot and never really know where I'm going. I won't go below 175, period, no matter the BF%. She actually likes a bit of fat on me but I would like to, just for myself, hit 9-10% in my life and she is okay with that, I think. Anywho, I want to try and pack on as much muscle as I can so when I cut, I'll be 185 or so with 10% BF, 175 I think is to skinny. I'm suppost to have a big frame on me so I'll still probably look weird at 185.

And when I said bulk up but still fat, I wanted to eat clean and hopefully lose a little bit of my tummy but that really isn't all that possible. Everyone at work tells me to do cardio and run with them after work, and I tell them I'll stab them in the face before I Ever run. I hate it, so dull, nothing to push yourself on. Wow on foot infront of another, then again, THIS IS GREAT! Screw it, I'd rather lose it by lifting weights harder and harder everyday instead of run.

But, as I said I'm cutting back on cals but going to increase carb intake. My Blood Pressure is going downhill preddy fast because I haven't eaten hardly any carbs of the weeks. My body isn't sleeping well AT ALL and is hurting time with my wife, my dog and running errands because I can sleep 12 hours straight and still not feel awake. It was 100/60, natural level for myself is 110/70, everyone tells me it isn't low. But I was on my energy pills which used to, would raise me from 110/70 to 130/90 or so ish. So, My BP is very low right now. Bread stuffing and Oatmeal for me I reckon. Because if I eat one more cup of rice I will hang myself.

 

[gettnlarge01]

Dropping carbs down to 150g/day is what gets rid of the ab/love handle fat for me. With tren ace it is possible for me to drop bodyfat and add mass without doing cardio.

 

[Quadsweeps Sister]

huh...

Well, I am always a proponent of letting one's own metabolism do the work rather than stimulants. I also understand you're not fat, I was just quoting some of what you said. You posted your stats and everything is fine - I think really what most people have trouble with is knowing what they really want. Sometimes you can have your cake and eat it too, but do you really want the cake?

Can you find someone who really knows how to do a good caliper test? A good pair (Lang) costs about 300-400$ so someone who invested in them generally understands how to use them (most times). And even though you hate to run, I would also run (screaming) away from the so called trainer. Another 'myth' that I commonly saw when helping competitors get show ready, was the thinking that you have to gain so much fat to gain muscle. In theory this seems right, but your body is more efficient at a healthier bodyfat. For you 10% would be something to strive for. If you are always so focused on the bodyweight, you may not get to what is healthiest for you.

You also said you felt it was not possible to lose your 'tummy' fat. At ~ 20% or wherever you are, your going to have that while at 10% you'd probably see your abdominal muscles (if you work them to build them up too).

I would change the diet up (if you want me to look at it - time consuming and I don't want to take the time if you aren't interested...) and also, instead of running try some GPP training like pulling sled or incline barbell pushups (fast)....there are lots of GPP exercises that would provide you the cardio without running. Also if you change up the diet and space out the meals appropriately and eat consistently, your metabolism will stay high throughout the day. (Until you drink that milk with all the milk sugar..... ).

Anyhoo - let me know if interested in anything I spoke about. Good luck!

 

[Rabid_Goose]

I live in a relativley small part of the country. It is probably the biggest ara in Kentucky but small other wise and it wouldn't be easy finding anyone to do a good BF test. I'm going to ask the nurse at work tomorrow if I can get to him in time and ask to see if he can recommend anyone. I'm hoping for the new Doctor I'm supposed to be finding might actually do BF% test.

I'm very interested in GPP training, right now I am doing the 5x5 to help introduce me into Core Lifts, it is really the only reason I am doing it. I have the Dead Lift form Down, BB Row Form down and I'm probably 2-3 more Squat sessions away from having it down. I love dead lifts and by the 2nd set, I'm always swetting hah. Only GPP I really saw was "The Bear," I have no idea what an Incline Barbell Push up is.

Only reason I am drinking so much milk is because it is a calorie filler for me, makes it easier to get 2500 calories a day. Right now my diet is preddy horrible, I know it is and plan on getting back on track. It is so hard to get up in the mornings for me because of my Low BP that I had to cancel my breakfast and just have half of my shake then and half of it later, but my shake is 1200 calories. I did have, least I thought, what was a pretty decent plan. I have the numbers on paper somewhere but I'll just give you a quick scan of what I plan on getting back on track too.

Ideal day would start at 11am, I barley can wake up by 2 right now.

11am - 4 Eggs Scrambled
2 Pieces Whole Grain Toast
Something to drink, was thinking 2 cups of milk but you maybe Orange Juice or should it just be water?

My Lifting starts at 2pm, Idealy.
1pm - 1 cup oatmeal
2 whole grain toast

3pm - 2 Scoops On Whey
3 servings ANPB
2 cups Whole Milk (Calorie Filler but can replace with 1% no problem)

This is right before I start work, roughly half an hour
4:45pm 3 Servings of Chicken or 2 Pork Chops or 2 Turkey Breast Cutlets
Bread Stuffing when my dad gives me that recipe

First break at work, only 10 minutes.
7:15pm - 1 ounce Almonds
2 Cups milk

Lunch
9:45pm - 3 servings of CHicken or 2 PC or 2 TBC
1 serving of Peanuts
2 cups milk

At 2nd break I was having some kind of little protein bar, around 240ish calories but had 44 carbs in it and was high in sugar content.
12:30am - That bar
- 2 cups milk.

Come home, sleep, repeat. I drink half a gallon of 1% a day by time is over with. I'm thinking of making it 2 ounce almonds at 1st break. This is just a simple over view of what I have so I hope it doesn't take too much time. I hate to waste it, but everytime I post up someone else gives me something I can add into my diet which is always good. So spend as LITTLE time as possible as you can on viewing it I really don't want to take time from your day. Then I'll come back with another plan with Macro Nutrients and all the goodie stuff by Sunday Night.


Edit: Oh I know you were quoting something I said, I just don't know how to quote someone without having to quote the whole post.

 

[gettnlarge01]

Have you tried b-12 for the lack of energy?

 

[Rabid_Goose]

I'm taking Animal Pak daily, I think it has B-12. I stopped drinking my heavy ass protein drink and I felt great yesterday, so maybe all that fat hitting me it once weighed me down but still doesn't explain my BP dipping.

 

[gettnlarge01]

It"s good to hear that you feel better on the BP I don"t know I would see the doc about it. Injectable b-12 has increased my energy and appetite,didn"t know if you were taking any yet or not.The injectable is sooo much better than the cap types.

 

[Rabid_Goose]

My mom is helping me find a new doctor, I plan on asking something to boost my appetite. Some days I want to puke when I'm eating or even drinking water because I feel so full. I hardly ever get the urge to eat except when I first wake up then the rest of the day I don't get hungry, I just run out of energy.

 

[gettnlarge01]

Update us on what the doc says. Hope everything will turn out ok.

 

[Rabid_Goose]

It won't be for quite awhile on that afraid. The Doctor my mom is trying to help me get into is not just one Dr., but some kind of Circle. No idea what it is, never really heard of the system they do but they give you a PIN# and you can call with your name and PIN# and get blood results from whenever. My brother goes to them and suppost to be very very impressive place.

No Vacation days to burn and the town I will be going to is around an hour away now but a good Doctor is worth an hour drive. Until then I will set my alarm clock half way cross the room so I have to get up hah.

 

[gettnlarge01]

Hope everything turns out ok for you on the doc visit when you get there. The alarm clock across the room works I know several people who do it!!! Are you still training or taking time off now?

 

[Rabid_Goose]

Well, I am training but Friday I spent the day with my wife but today at the gym, I was feeling great about my squats. Real REAL deep, on my 5th set real proud of myself and the Desk Clerk lady hollers at me and ask me if that's my car. Well, she points out that my back tire if flat as hell. So today was screwed up too, only managed to do squats.

I'm going to eat good tomorrow. 4 scrambled eggs + 2 pieces toast, then a cup of oatmeal + 2 pieces of toast, my shake then before work I'll have my Raviolli or however ya spell it. Looking at buying some Kidney Beans next week since I can nuke em at work ya know. I have to find stuff that is convient or else I won't stick with it for too long. Eggs and oatmeal are real fast and easy. Only cooking I will have to do is for my pork chops. I'm looking forward to see how I do tomorrow with 150-200g of carbs in me.

 

[gettnlarge01]

Kidney beans are quick which is nice. Tuna staight out of the can is a good choice too.It"s hard to do when you have a life but takes time to figure out a diet you can stick too. Squats are my favorite but are on a list of things I can"t do anymore because of knee problems and man do I miss them.