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68GT350

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My co-worker gave me a "little blue pill" a few days ago telling me it would keep me awake (during my 19 hour work shift). Like the naive fool I am, I trusted him and didn't ask questions. I simply ate the pill. A little while later, my brain was on it's a-game. My thought process was crystal clear and I was SOOO not sleepy. I wasn't jittery at all.

Can someone tell me everything they know about this stuff? I'm very curious.
 
Amphetamine Salt--- Speed, highly addictive.

If you start on them then want to get off I have a workable solution to conteract the withdrawal.
 
Like methamphetamine, only not quite as addictive and not quite as dangerous.

If you are having probs staying awake, I'd recommend ma huang or coffee.

Stay AWAY amphetamines. Bad news.
 
For the past couple months, I have spent much time with the amphetamine-like drug Adderall. The first time I took the drug, I was at school and it was during finals (I took 30mg). I had only rolled on one occasion at that point and I had the time of my life that day speeding my way through the finals. I failed both of the finals I took that day (too focused, couldn’t finish) but I didn’t care cause I was so deep in euphoria and I felt so good about myself. On this occasion, I felt no after effects or withdrawal.

Over the next month, I slowly started using the drug more often. I wasn’t taking higher doses, just more often. I liked the euphoria and the appetite suppression. The quality about the drug I liked best was that I could be myself around girls that might have intimidated me before.

On one occasion, I used the drug 6 days in a row. By the 6th day, the effects were diminished and I ended up crashing. At first, I didn’t mind the crash because I told myself it was worth the high.

Because of my tolerance with the drug, I decided that I would wait a couple days between usage and that I would up the dosage. I moved on to 60 mgs a dose and then 120mgs at a time. And with the higher dosages, I started crashing hard. The relationship I had gotten myself into on the drug only made the matters worse when I would crash and then I would feel like I couldn’t be myself around that person without the drug. I wanted the relationship to work out so badly that I would use high doses of the drug often. When the relationship ended, it was hell. The drug gave me a lot of anxiety, much of which still exist. As social as I had been when I was speeding, I was twice as anti.

The worst part about this drug is that I became so dependent without even realizing it. Once I experienced the euphoria, I quickly felt as though I was boring and not myself without it. Ordinary life seemed slow and dull and I felt like I couldn’t be around people sober because I wasn’t interested in anything and talking to people required much effort. I wasn’t natural, as it had been before with aderall.

Aderall is a dangerous drug. Don’t let the prescription bottle fool you. I have gone 4 days since the last time I've used it and I feel like total shit. I haven't left the house for 3 days and I feel horrible. All I want is some more of the drug but I know that if I use it, i'll only feel ten billion times worse when it wears off. Pot helps some but I still feel very boring. I just wish I had never tried the drug cause I feel antisocial as all get out and I have rediscovered my notion that I am incompatible. Adderall catches up with you.

from erowid.

read some more on:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amphetamines/amphetamines.shtml

On more, the drug is phsychical addictive and not physical.
 
Like all amphetamines, you wake up one day and everything has gone to shit, and it's too late to do anything about it.

So you say, "what the hell," and keep using as you try and find a way to live with your addiction.

But, there isn't one.
 
WODIN said:
Amphetamine Salt--- Speed, highly addictive.

If you start on them then want to get off I have a workable solution to conteract the withdrawal.


MAYBE WITHDRAWELS AND ADDICTIVENESS FOR YOU. NOT ME.

____________________________________________________


68GT
YOU TOOK A BLUE ONE? SHIT MAN, THAT ISNT SHIT. I CAN TAKE THAT AND FALL ASLEEP. I HAVE A SCRIPT FOR THEM. I GET THE 30MG PILLS, THE BLUE IS ONLY 10MG. THEY ARE ONLY ADDICTIVE IF YOU HAVE AN ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY. I ONLY TAKE THEM WHEN I HAVE TO STUDY FOR BIG TESTS. THATS IT. I DONT TAKE THEM TO GO OUT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. LOTS OF PEOPLE I KNOW, DO HOWEVER.

I LOVE IT. IT MAKES ME STUDY. RITALIN CANT EVEN KEEP ME AWAKE.




KAYNE
 
CASAVANT CAN GIVE YOU A MUCH MORE DETAILED DISCRIPTION OF EVERYTHING ABOUT ADDIES. I'M TOO LAZY. LOL



KAYNE
 
Maybe I named the wrong drug. This pill, according to the dude who game it to me, is supposed to be for adults with attention deficiet disorder (ADD). Could it be, that i named the wrong pill? I didn't recognize all these mentioned effects...just clear thinking, and a comfortable "not-sleepiness."
 
68GT350 said:
Maybe I named the wrong drug. This pill, according to the dude who game it to me, is supposed to be for adults with attention deficiet disorder (ADD). Could it be, that i named the wrong pill? I didn't recognize all these mentioned effects...just clear thinking, and a comfortable "not-sleepiness."

boach, adderal is for add, its comparable to a coke high.
 
Big Johnson said:

THAT SHIT DIDNT EVEN KEEP ME AWAKE. AND I HAD THE STRONGEST ONES. DIDNT WORK AT ALL.


MAG
ADDIES ARE FOR ADHD. RITALIN IS FOR ADD. THERE ISNT MUCH DIFFERENCE TO ME BUT IN THE MEDICAL WORLD I GUESS THERE IS.




KAYNE
 
I DONT GET "HIGH" WHEN I TAKE THEM. I JUST GET IN A ZONE WHERE I CAN STUDY AND CONCENTRATE FOR HOURS.

FUNNY THING WITH ME IS, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO LAST FOR ATLEAST 6 HOURS, I HAVE TO TAKE THEM EVERY 3 HOURS TO MAINTAIN. I HAVE A LIMIT THOUGH.




KAYNE
 
i'm the same as kayne, only take adderall/ritalin to study. i don't see how you can take em and get high and have fun, all i feel like doing while on em is studying hardcore. odd.
 
If it was a blue capsule (you can sorta see through it) then it probably was the adderall 10mg xr.

If it was a blue pill (hard as a rock) then I'm not sure what it was.
 
BLUE=10MG
ORANGE=20MG/30MG

CAPSULE=TIME RELEASED

OVAL ORANGE PILL=20MG
ROUND WAFER PILL=30MG



KAYNE
 
Drunken_Weasel said:
smash it up and sniff it.... it works better.


WHY, JUST GO GET SOME COKE IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT SHIT.


I KNOW MANY PEOPLE WHO SNIFF IT THOUGH. FUCKING STUPID IF YOU ASKED ME.




KAYNE
 
Oh man. How did I miss this thread?

"Adderall" is just the brand name made by Shire Pharmaceutical. There is also a generic version listed as "d-amphetamine combo"

Either way, one of the pills breaks down into equal parts:

Dextroamphetamine saccharate
Dextroamphetamine sulphate
Amphetamine aspartate
Amphetamine sulfate

So what it is is pure pharmaceutical speed, my man. The dextroamphetamine isomers are responsible for the greatest euphoric effects you get in Adderall.

Adderall comes in tabs and now in an extended release version (XR) that is a capsule with a bunch of little beadlets in it ("Microtrol" technology, according to Shire.). Half of the beadlets release instantly, the other half take about four hours to kick in. XR sucks compared to the tabs, in my opinion. I was on 30mg XR for months, and I finally had my doc switch me to the tabs- I don't necessarily want an extra fucking speed kick four hours down the line. I like more personal control over my intake. I get 62 30mg brand name Adderalls a month. Without insurance, it costs $184. With my insurance, I have a co-pay of $25. Not a bad deal. :) If the tab you took was blue, then it was either a 5 or a 10 mg. If that little fucker lit you up, than I don't know what the hell you'd do if you popped one of my 30mg pills. :jump:

Unfortunately, for every yin, there is also a yang. There isn't too much of a comedown, especially at lower dosages, but you won't feel as sharp and you may feel a bit depressed. This is due to the fact that you just zapped the fuck out of your dopamine and norepinephrine levels, and it takes a while to re-stabilize.

Also, amphetamines are severely anorectic- you can barely force yourself to eat. In addition, they increase circulating levels of corticosteroids in your blood- not the best combination for someone trying to bulk up or retain hard-earned muscle, although it is absolutely doable (I've gained 25 pounds this fall and winter, regardless).

And once you've gotten used to having it around, it's a bummer when you have to get something done or have a good time and you've run out. As a double whammy (or at least for me), this brings with it some sense of self-loathing.

Adderall is powerful, fun stuff, and unlike many other drugs, it can actually be used as a tool and by the very nature of our society- one that values work, production...RESULTS, it's more accepted and implicitly encouraged. Adderall is some good stuff to help you get through the drudgery. It makes boring things interesting; it makes work seem like play. Energy and optimism seem limitless when you're on speed. But it's no fun sitting up at 4am, coming down, with noone to talk to- feeling awake but not high anymore- feeling anxious- incessantly flicking through the tracks on your CD's that pulsed right through you two hours ago but now none of them seem to sound quite right. You don't want to do anything, but you don't want to sit around. You question yourself, you think about things- you wonder how real your emotions are. You can't go to sleep- you watch the clock tick by and think about how you're going to have to be at class in a few hours or go to work.....then you start thinking about popping another- or maybe just crushing up part of one and snorting it for a little bump. Day slips into night slips into day slips into night. Now, if you're wanting the machine in you- if you have a deadline you have to meet, a paper you have to finish- if you're working two jobs and going to school and trying to be Mr. PR to drunk fucks every weekend- this can be great at times. If you take your stuff early enough in the day and don't take too much, you'll be fine. Easier said than done man. Otherwise, you have to know when to let it go- put yourself down. Eat some food, let your body replenish and your brain refill. Get some sleep, let your muscles relax.

You can sniff it- it's smooth and sweet and doesn't make your heart pound as hard as cocaine, and I personally think the high is usually better- but you'll get more out of it if you eat it, as long as you don't drink anything acidic with it like orange juice, which interferes with the intestinal absorbtion of amphetamines.

Ritalin was mentioned earlier in this thread. Ritalin, or methylphenidate, is a very close cousin to the basic amphetamine molecule, and according to the reading I've done it was developed for the purpose of providing the "focusing" benefits of amphetamines without the addictive euphoria. It's not shit compared to Adderall, but it will help you get through a night of studying and you can get a nice little high off the stuff too if that's what you're going for.

You do need to know that Adderall is a schedule II substance- in the same class as meth, cocaine, oxycontin, methylphenidate, etc. I just copied off the laws on controlled substances in my state and selling Adderall or posession of the stuff without a prescription is a class Y felony. So don't ever get some off a bud and have the cops find it if they search your car. Probably wouldn't be good.

If you get a scrip, it might well be worth your while. People have been getting through school on speed for decades. It's not the devil, but it can be seductive and it can be addictive. You just have to watch your shit. And man, try not to let people know you have the stuff, or you'll be getting hit up for it damn near every day by one person or another, and when you're up on the shit and feeling all happy and generous, it can be hard to say no. A pill or two here, a pill or two there- pretty soon you've given away half your bottle. Bogart that shit.

That's the rundown on Addies as honestly and factually as I can give it. For more info and experiences, go to:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amphetamines/amphetamines.shtml
 
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^I should have spent the time that I did on this friggin' essay working on my college algebra.

Wish I had some Adderall right now. LOL.
 
KAYNE said:
A

WANT ME TO FEDEX YOU SOME OVERNIGHT??? LOL




KAYNE

LOL. You feel my pain? :D

5 more days and all should be good again. Funny- I have three friends who are all holding out for the 1st of the month for their shit too. All of them go to school and train, too. College town- what can ya say? :FRlol:
 
KAYNE said:
A

WANT ME TO FEDEX YOU SOME OVERNIGHT??? LOL




KAYNE

LOL. You feel my pain? :D

5 more days and all should be good again. Funny- I have three friends who are all holding out for the 1st of the month for their shit too. All of them go to school and train, too. College town- what can ya say? :FRlol:
 
Norman Bates said:
casavant and Kayne, can you tell with what dose you started and what dose you are using now?

I just bummed it off friends for a long time just to have fun on mostly. 20mg would do OK. 40mg was damn nice. An 80mg night was the fucking bomb. I'm a big guy, and my tolerance to most drugs seems to go up pretty quick- now I'll pop 60 mg to start- if I have to have a real productive day; if I have to be lots of places, do boring shitty shit, stay up for an extended stretch- I'll typically take 150mg, but that's spread out over quite a long period. 90mg in a day will do me fine usually. You do hit a certain point where it doesn't do you any good anymore. You hit a point of diminishing returns where your brain and body are just tapped out. The bumps don't take you as high or last as long, and eventually you can get to the point where you will take a pill and not even really feel it kick in. It's better not to get to that point, for various reasons.

If I have to go a couple of weeks without it, I can and often do- but that doesn't mean I don't sit there several times througout the day and think, "Damn, I really wish I had some addy right now." That in itself can be detrimental- it's like you've lost your magic feather or something. Or like going from driving a new BMW to a Chrysler station wagon. Just knowing how much better off you'd be can be a distraction in itself, or make you not try as hard on your own- and hey, a lot of the stuff people have to do is boring and tedious. That's why the shit is so popular.
 
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20mg USED TO DO ME GOOD TO START. NOW I START OUT WITH 40MG AND TAKE 20MG EVERY 2 HOURS TO MAINTAIN. I NVR GO OVER 80MG/DAY THOUGH. I ONLY DID THAT FOR FINALS LAST SEMESTER. I HAD 3 MONTHS WORTH OF WORK TO DO IN 1 MONTHS.

40MG OUT THE GATE THEN 20MG EVERY 2 HOURS TO MAINTAIN. THAT DOES ME GOOD. I ONLY TAKE THEM WHEN I HAVE TO THOUGH. AS IN WHEN I HAVE BIG TESTS TO STUDY FOR.



KAYNE
 
EngiCream said:


that was an awesome post....are you sure you're not using adderall right now :p


DONT LET CAS FOOL YOU!!!.......HE IS A SMART MOFO!!! STAND UP DUDE TO. HE'S ONE OF THE FEW ON HERE I WOULD WANT TO MEET IN REAL LIFE!!!




KAYNE
 
KAYNE said:



DONT LET CAS FOOL YOU!!!.......HE IS A SMART MOFO!!! STAND UP DUDE TO. HE'S ONE OF THE FEW ON HERE I WOULD WANT TO MEET IN REAL LIFE!!!




KAYNE

Yea, from everything I've seen Cas is a great guy.
 
If you go to your doc and ask for adderal chances are you will get script but for a similiar drug. How to you go to your doc and hint at it. Do you tell him you have trouble focusing etc and you read about adderals and how they help. Or that a colleage had similiar problems and was prescribed adderal..
 
Mackavelli said:
If you go to your doc and ask for adderal chances are you will get script but for a similiar drug. How to you go to your doc and hint at it. Do you tell him you have trouble focusing etc and you read about adderals and how they help. Or that a colleage had similiar problems and was prescribed adderal..

Good questions. PM me if you want. :)
 
Mackavelli said:
If you go to your doc and ask for adderal chances are you will get script but for a similiar drug. How to you go to your doc and hint at it. Do you tell him you have trouble focusing etc and you read about adderals and how they help. Or that a colleage had similiar problems and was prescribed adderal..

i'd really like to know as well. i work a 9-5 job and like to go out often at night but have trouble staying awake. addarall seems to do it for me, so i want to try and get a strong rx. i'm figuring i should tell my doctor i have narcolepsy.

also, has anyone had any success buying adderal online? it's a little pricey isn't it?
 
Metro Girl said:
also, has anyone had any success buying adderal online? it's a little pricey isn't it?

It's schedule II. Good luck finding it and hope you don't get caught without a prescription.

Go do a search on Adult ADD and read up on the symptoms. Take some of the online evaluation tests. By the time you're done, you will be:

1) Swearing to God you really do have ADD

2) Laughing your ass off because everyone has ADD

&

3) Ready to go see a doctor so you can finally fix this problem that, unbeknownst to you, has been an obstacle all your life.

Here's a good place to start:

www.amenclinic.com

Take the "Adult ADD" test.



And for the record, YES, I really do have ADD.
 
Metro Girl said:


i'd really like to know as well. i work a 9-5 job and like to go out often at night but have trouble staying awake. addarall seems to do it for me, so i want to try and get a strong rx. i'm figuring i should tell my doctor i have narcolepsy.

also, has anyone had any success buying adderal online? it's a little pricey isn't it?

This post gave me a creepy feeling, by the way...like it was a textbook question a cop would use to bait someone or something.

I'm perfectly legal, and despite a few requests on here (which never bothered me, btw), I have never even considered selling the stuff.

Just thought I'd share that. I'm not completely opaque. :)
 
some of the guys at my school that take it, not even a very big dose, are up 24hours atleast. i figure if you rail it up atleast you will be able to sleep that night
 
casavant said:


This post gave me a creepy feeling, by the way...like it was a textbook question a cop would use to bait someone or something.

I'm perfectly legal, and despite a few requests on here (which never bothered me, btw), I have never even considered selling the stuff.

Just thought I'd share that. I'm not completely opaque. :)

lol i'm not a cop and i'm not asking you to sell anything to me ;)
 
Metro Girl said:


lol i'm not a cop and i'm not asking you to sell anything to me ;)

LOL. I just thought it kinda sounded like it. CYA procedure....nothing personal.

:) I hope that my info. on the thread helped you out. You can do a search using my username and the keyword "Adderall" and you'll pull up all sorts of shit, but it would be better to get it straight from the horse's mouth and do a search on "Adderall", "ADHD", and "Adult ADD" on the 'net.
 
KAYNE said:
BLUE=10MG
ORANGE=20MG/30MG

CAPSULE=TIME RELEASED

OVAL ORANGE PILL=20MG
ROUND WAFER PILL=30MG



KAYNE

Actually, the 20mg pills come in round orange too. Those are the brand name ones made by Shire. There are 30mg pills that are oval-shaped too. They're generic. I can tell a slight difference in the kick that a Shire pill gives me and a generic one of the same dosage. Shire gives a little more bang, in my opinion. :D


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Do you or a loved-one have any of these types of problems?
• A child cannot keep his mind on 20 minutes of homework. It takes
her over an hour to complete the assignment.
• A child cannot remain quietly attentive in class for 30 minutes. He repeatedly interrupts verbally or physically.



•A college student cannot pay attention to a lecture or a textbook. His mind wanders off to his own daydreams.
• A saleswoman cannot overcome feelings of boredom while trying to finish paperwork for her job. She rushes through, not doing it very well.
• A high school student repeatedly puts off major assignments until the very last minute.
• A housewife cannot keep her home or her checkbook organized; she feels constantly overwhelmed by things to do.

Each of these persons suffers with ADD, a common disorder found in both children and adults. Recent research indicates that about one in twelve Americans suffer from ADD. Fortunately, modern treatment is safe and very effective.



Unfortunately, there has been much confusion and incorrect information about ADD in the media. This report is intended to provide you an accurate understanding of ADD, its causes and treatment.

Common Symptoms of ADD
The only essential symptom in ADD is difficulty sustaining attention on tasks that are important but not entertaining. Also, any of the following symptoms may be present in persons with ADD:
• Quick boredom that is very severe and even painful
• Difficulty listening well (daydreams during class lecture; inattentive during conversations)
• Poor memory for non-entertaining tasks (forgets to turn in completed homework; forgets two of three items on a to-do list)
• Puts off tasks to the last minute
• Starts many projects, but leaves many unfinished
• Poor memory of what was read (cannot answer questions at the end of the chapter)
• Poor impulse control (speaks or acts quickly without thinking through the consequences)
• Impatience and intolerance of waiting
• Irritability and angry outbursts
• Brief, sudden "mood swings;" gets overly excited, or overly "down"
• Fidgety, restless, hyperactive Few persons with ADD have all these symptoms; most have three or four that have been present since childhood.

In addition to the symptoms above, there are often (though not always) social, occupational and emotional complications of ADD. These include:



• Difficulty maintaining relationships (with schoolmates, marriages, friendships) due to impulsive, aggressive, and intrusive
behaviors
• Difficulty with authorities (with teachers, police, and managers) due to oppositional or thrill-seeking misbehavior
• Poor school and career performance due to forgetfulness, boredom, tardiness,procrastination, inability to be organized (see our page on School Problems)
• Depression (see our page on Clinical Depression)
• Low self-esteem
• Anxiety, tension and nervousness (see our page on Anxiety Disorders)

Doctors once thought that all persons outgrow ADD before age 20. We now know that most persons continue to have symptoms of ADD all their lives, though the symptoms may lessen with age.

Hyperactivity and ADD
"Hyperactivity," which means a person cannot "sit still" to a normal degree, may or may not be present in a person with ADD. The hyperactivity symptoms may be very mild or very severe. In order of mild to severe, hyperactive symptoms include:
• Nearly constant foot and leg movements when sitting
• Pencil tapping during meetings and conversations



• Frequent squirming in chair or desk
• Talking too much, too loudly, interrupting
• Running when should walk
• Unable to sit through a class, church service, or movie

ADD children with severe hyperactivity are referred for treatment much more often. They disrupt the home and classroom, making their problem more noticeable and intolerable to adults.

Usually, hyperactivity symptoms improve with age. The attention problems usually do not improve as much.

ADD children without hyperactivity, unfortunately, usually are not referred for treatment. Because they generally are not very disruptive, they are merely labeled as under-achievers, absent-minded, lazy, or stupid. As a result they are often life-long under-achievers.

What is Normal and What is ADD?
There has been much fear that "normal" persons, especially children, would be labeled as ADD and medicated. But research has shown that when experts make the diagnosis, this is not a problem. In fact, the National Institute of Health, which is the federal government's medical research agency, recently concluded that--with expert evaluation--ADD can be as well diagnosed, as well understood, and as well treated as any other medical condition.

The American Psychiatric Association has set clear and definite criteria a person must meet in order to be diagnosed with ADD. When these criteria are followed, the diagnosis is very accurate.

"Normal" attention span is controlled by at least two factors: (1) a task's entertainment value or intrinsic interest, and (2) a task's importance.



Either factor should allow our attention and concentration to be maintained for sufficient time to complete a task that is appropriate for our age and IQ.

So, a task that has low entertainment value or intrinsic interest say balancing your check book or doing 30 minutes of math homework or writing a term paper should nevertheless hold your attention long enough to start and complete the task simply because it is important.

The person with ADD is unable to give sustained attention to tasks that are important but are not entertaining or interesting. This is the primary difference between "normal" and ADD.

When evaluating an adult, we must be sure that the attention problems began in childhood. ADD does not develop newly in adulthood; it develops in childhood, and can continue into adulthood-and it may cause more problems as you get older. Attention problems that begin in adulthood are usually due to some other problem.

The Causes of ADD
ADD is usually an inherited chemical problem in the executive function circuits in the brain. Persons with ADD are four times more likely to have a parent or sibling with ADD (though the parent probably was never diagnosed). If a parent has ADD each child has a 50% chance of having ADD.

The problem in the executive function circuits seems to be low functioning of a biochemical called dopamine that transmits information in that circuit.



Some anatomical differences have been found in the brains of persons with ADD, and there may be an "attention center" in the brain that is not working well in persons with ADD.

While inherited genetics is the most common cause of ADD, head injury can be a rare cause of ADD. Lead poisoning also may be a rare cause of ADD. Fetal exposure to street drugs, alcohol, or maternal smoking during pregnancy may be a cause of some cases of ADD. Scientific studies, however, have shown that sugar and food additives have no effect on ADD. Likewise, it's been found that problems during childbirth do not cause ADD.

Diagnosing ADD
Many parents have wondered why ADD is diagnosed more than when they were children. There are at least three reasons:
1. In only the past ten years we are able to diagnose ADD without hyperactivity. Before, these persons were simply labeled as absent minded.
2. Mild ADD causes more problems nowadays than it did 25 years ago. The demands for good attention and concentration in school and at work are much higher in our modern "information age" where so much must be learned so quickly. As a result, more persons are seeking help for mild ADD.
3. The number of ADD persons is probably higher due to the greater frequency of smoking during pregnancy compared to 30 years ago when many fewer women smoked. (Now, as many women as men smoke.)



The American Psychiatric Association has set clear and definite criteria a person must meet in order to be diagnosed with ADD. When these criteria are followed, the diagnosis is very accurate. The US National Institute of Health (NIH) recently reviewed the diagnosis and treatment of ADD and concluded that it is as reliable a diagnosis as most medical conditions.

A good history of the person's behavior and development is usually adequate to make a precise diagnosis of ADD. This history may be obtained from the patient, parent, spouse, or a teacher. Most of the time, this information will be sufficient to decide whether the person has ADD without further testing.

Occasionally, special tests are used to help make the diagnosis in confusing cases. While these tests can help make the diagnosis, they cannot provide certainty one way or the other. The history of the person's behavior and observations in the office are more important.

CAT scans, MRI scans, EEGs, and other special neurological tests have not yet proven helpful in diagnosing ADD.

Treatment of ADD
The treatment of ADD has been controversial: Should medications be used? Will behavior modification work? Will medications lead to addiction? Let's address these issues by looking at the currently accepted medical treatment of ADD.

Medication
Since ADD is a neurochemical disorder affecting brain dopamine, we know this dopamine problem must be corrected to correct the symptoms of ADD. For most persons with ADD, behavioral treatments cannot work until the dopamine deficiency is corrected. Correcting the dopamine deficiency requires special medications. Recently, the American Academy of Pediatics has said that medication will be needed in almost all cases of ADD.

Several medications have been found to improve ADD. The best known is Ritalin, which has been used since the 1930s. There have been fears that Ritalin would lead to short stature, drug addiction, and even an over-drugged "zombie" state. Scientific studies have shown that-when properly prescribed-none of these problems need happen.



In fact, children with ADD who are treated with Ritalin are less likely to develop drug abuse problems. A recent study of over one thousand children taking these medications for up to ten years concluded that long-term treatment with these medications is safe in children.

In recent years newer medications, including Adderall and Concerta, have become the preferred medication among ADD specialists. Adderall and Concerta increase the brain dopamine level, improving the executive function circuits in the brain. These medications are effective in relieving ADD symptoms in about 93 percent of patients.
Studies indicate that medication treatment can improve
all of the symptoms of ADD:
• Attention and concentration are improved
• Procrastination is reduced
• Impulsive feelings are reduced
• Aggression is reduced, both verbal and physical
• Reading retention improves
• Fidgeting and hyperactivity are reduced
• Social relationships are improved
• Memory improves
• Sleep often improves
• Grades and work performance improve

There is evidence that treatment also improves self-esteem and reduces depression and anxiety.

Other medications such as Cylert, Dexadrine, Wellbutrin, imipramine, clonidine, and Effexor are commonly used to treat ADD as well. Which medication is best for a particular individual is determined by a physician in discussion with the patient or parents.

Counseling
Studies indicate that individual therapy or counseling of the person with ADD, when used alone without medication does not lastingly improve the ADD symptoms. The dopamine deficiency must first be corrected, and for that a medication is required. However, counseling can be a very important part of the complete treatment of the person with ADD. Counseling can:
• Reduce depression
• Improve self-esteem
• Improve parenting skills
• Improve marital relationships
• Improve problem-solving skills
• Improve social skills
• Improve work and organizational skills

When to Seek Treatment for ADD
Attention Deficit Disorder is very common in the United States. At least 7 percent of the population suffers from this disorder. If you or a loved-one repeatedly have difficulty starting or completing important tasks an evaluation should be sought. Untreated, ADD has a corrosive effect on performance, relationships, mood, and self-esteem.

In school children an evaluation for ADD should be obtained when:
• There are prolonged school behavior problems
• There are prolonged periods of low grades
• The grade point average is slowly falling over the months or years

There are signs of serious stress due to the school workload. Signs of stress include prolonged:
• Headache
• Stomach ache
• Insomnia
• Depression
• Excessive worry
• School avoidance

Fortunately, treatment for ADD is readily available and affordable. Medications and counseling can relieve most of the symptoms and improve school, occupational, family, and social functioning. Treating ADD need not be expensive-no costly blood tests are required, and psychological tests are usually not needed. After a medication is working well, medication checkups are only needed every three to six months.

There ya go. :elephant: :fro:
 
casavant said:


Actually, the 20mg pills come in round orange too. Those are the brand name ones made by Shire. There are 30mg pills that are oval-shaped too. They're generic. I can tell a slight difference in the kick that a Shire pill gives me and a generic one of the same dosage. Shire gives a little more bang, in my opinion. :D


For others- here's some info.

He's the local ADD specialist:







There ya go. :elephant: :fro:


cas, ive got generic 20's, some oval and some
round from different scripts, the round generic's
do pack more punch...

so who knows what the difference is???

never have bought the name brand...
 
bwood8168 said:


cas, ive got generic 20's, some oval and some
round from different scripts, the round generic's
do pack more punch...

so who knows what the difference is???

never have bought the name brand...

I stand corrected than.

I've never seen generic round ones...the brand name says the mg on one side and "AD" on the other.
 
round generic 20 mg...

orange, divided into 4 quadrants on the back...

struck "E" then "401" under that...

hell, they probably got the shit
stamped like flintstones vitamins by now...:D
 
bwood8168 said:
round generic 20 mg...

orange, divided into 4 quadrants on the back...

struck "E" then "401" under that...

hell, they probably got the shit
stamped like flintstones vitamins by now...:D

Fuck- you're right. Last time I got filled up on the 30's, they gave me the generic ones instead of the brand name like I wanted, and I knew that it was wrong because the pills in the bottle were round but split into crosses...I asked if they gave me generic and they said, "Oh, whoops, you requested brand name, didn't you?", and they went back and refilled it with the right shit.

Yep. My bad.
 
but what is the difference in
the round ones???

i'll ask my brother the pharmacist
but it'll be awhile before his lazy
ass gets back to me...

dont let me forget cas...:)
 
bwood8168 said:
but what is the difference in
the round ones???

i'll ask my brother the pharmacist
but it'll be awhile before his lazy
ass gets back to me...

dont let me forget cas...:)

Your bro is a pharmacist? I think you've mentioned that before. I'm still considering going into that but good god that's a lot of chemistry.

I've never had the round generic, but it must just be that they're made my different companies than the oval ones and one has a slightly better product. Pharmaceuticals are strictly regulated, but I believe they still get a tiny bit of leeway as far as standards are concerned.
 
i believe that they are free
to use any "approved" binder
or absorption enhancer...

the rounds may have better
binders or some better kind of absorption
enhancers...

in a run of a million pills, it would
make sense to scrimp on these
as most people will not notice...

but this is just a guess...

i dont see how a generic could
legally differ in its active ingredient
either in chemical composition or
actual amount...:confused:
 
bwood8168 said:
i believe that they are free
to use any "approved" binder
or absorption enhancer...

the rounds may have better
binders or some better kind of absorption
enhancers...

in a run of a million pills, it would
make sense to scrimp on these
as most people will not notice...

but this is just a guess...

i dont see how a generic could
legally differ in its active ingredient
either in chemical composition or
actual amount...:confused:

I tried doing a search on that info. but there's an ungodly amount of shit on prescription drug guidlines. But I read somewhere that there is a little leeway but hardly any. I could be mistaken though.
 
youre right about the leeway, cas...

im too lazy to dig out the books, but i
believe its up to +/-10 %...

that could be it, but i think consistent
underdosing would cause a manfacturer
to have fda problems eventually...

but who knows???

theyre almost as slimy as lawyers...:D
 
bwood8168 said:
youre right about the leeway, cas...

im too lazy to dig out the books, but i
believe its up to +/-10 %...

that could be it, but i think consistent
underdosing would cause a manfacturer
to have fda problems eventually...

but who knows???

theyre almost as slimy as lawyers...:D

LOL. And some of the ADD specialists... but it's a good thing we have those around too. I don't know about you, but I like the fact that there are doctors out there who are very familiar with the particular drug they prescribe. :alien:
 
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