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Interesting seeing as how the media led us to believe that there would be atomic blasts going on at all the polling places killing the few who decided to come out and vote.

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Iraqis Brave Bombs to Vote in Their Millions
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Jan 30, 9:12 AM (ET)

By Luke Baker

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Some came on crutches, others walked for miles then struggled to read the ballot, but across Iraq, millions turned out to vote Sunday, defying insurgents who threatened a bloodbath.

Suicide bombs and mortars killed at least 27 people, but voters still came out in force for the first multi-party poll in 50 years. In some places they cheered with joy at their first chance to cast a free vote, in others they shared chocolates.

Even in Falluja, the Sunni city west of Baghdad that was a militant stronghold until a U.S. assault in November, a steady stream of people turned out, confounding expectations. Lines of veiled women clutching their papers waited to vote.

"We want to be like other Iraqis, we don't want to always be in opposition," said Ahmed Jassim, smiling after he voted.

In Baquba, a rebellious city northeast of Baghdad, spirited crowds clapped and cheered at one voting station. In Mosul, scene of some of the worst insurgent attacks in recent months, U.S. and local officials said turnout was surprisingly high.

One of the first to vote was President Ghazi al-Yawar, a Sunni Muslim Arab with a large tribal following, who cast his ballot inside Baghdad's fortress-like Green Zone.

"Thanks be to God," he told reporters, emerging from the booth with his right index finger stained with bright blue ink to show he had voted. "I hope everyone will go out and vote."

In the relatively secure Kurdish north, people flowed steadily to the polls. One illiterate man in Arbil, 76-year-old Said Rasool, came alone and was turned away, unable to read the ballot paper. He said he would return with someone to help.

Even in the so-called "triangle of death," a hotbed of Sunni insurgency south of Baghdad, turnout was solid, officials said.

FESTIVE VOTING

In mainly Shi'ite Basra, Iraq's second biggest city, hundreds of voters queued patiently at polling centers. "I am not afraid," said Samir Khalil Ibrahim. "This is like a festival for all Iraqis."

A small group cheered in Baghdad as Sharif Ali bin al-Hussein, a descendant of Iraq's last king, went to the polls. Ali leads a constitutional monarchy slate in the election.

Western Baghdad polling stations were busy, with long queues of voters. Most went about the process routinely, filling in their ballots and leaving quickly without much emotion.

Others brought chocolates for those waiting in line, and shared festive juice drinks inside the voting station.

Samir Hassan, 32, who lost his leg in a car bomb blast in October, was determined to vote. "I would have crawled here if I had to. I don't want terrorists to kill other Iraqis like they tried to kill me. Today I am voting for peace," he said, leaning on his metal crutches, determination in his reddened eyes.

In Sadr City, a poor Shi'ite neighborhood of northeast Baghdad, thick lines of voters turned out, women in black abaya robes in one line, men in another.

Some of the first to vote countrywide were policemen, out in force to protect polling centers from attack, part of draconian security measures put in place by U.S. and Iraqi officials.

In Samarra, a restive Sunni-Shi'ite city north of Baghdad, the crackle of gunfire was heard minutes after polls opened.

After a few hours, only about 100 people had voted at one of two polling sites. One woman, covered head-to-toe in black robes, kept her face concealed, but said she voted with pride.

In nearby Baiji, some people were unable to vote because electoral officials failed to turn up. "We are waiting for the manager with the key," said an election worker, apologizing.

"VOTE FOR HUMANITY"

In the shrine city of Najaf in the Shi'ite heartland, hundreds of people walked calmly to polling stations. Security around Najaf, attacked before, was some of the tightest.

"This is a wedding for all Iraqis. I congratulate all Iraqis on their newfound freedom and democracy," said Jaida Hamza, dressed in a black Islamic veil that also hid her face.

Shi'ites, who make up 60 percent of Iraq's people, are expected to win the vote, overturning years of oppression.

In Kirkuk, a city divided between Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen, Kurds turned out in force, as expected, but there were signs Arabs and Turkmen were boycotting, angered by what they see as voting rules that favor Kurds.

One of the biggest surprises was Mosul, a mixed Sunni Arab and Kurd city in the far north. "So far it's gone very well, much better than expected," said a U.S. army officer.

Baghdad's mayor was overcome with emotion by the turnout of voters at City Hall, where he said thousands were celebrating.

"I cannot describe what I am seeing. It is incredible. This is a vote for the future, for the children, for the rule of law, for humanity, for love," Alaa al-Tamimi told Reuters.
 
4everhung said:
I'm in tears
I'm not kidding

So are a bunch of the folks on here who wanted nothing more than Iraq to fall to pieces today so they would have another attack against Bush and his administration.

I didnt agree with the war at all, but no negative words should be spoken about this event.
 
rnch said:
so.........WHEN are we getting the HELL out of a country we had NO business invading??????????

Why cant folks like you just shut the fuck up for a day and admit that, hey, this may be something that 9/10 of the Iraqi population have been waiting for their whole lives.
 
i'm SURE the families of all the brave military members that have been murdered by this invasion, foisted off on an unsupsecting American public by our President, clutching their computer generated and machine signed letters of condolences, will be comforted by your words, 75th.
 
75th said:
Why cant folks like you just shut the fuck up for a day and admit that, hey, this may be something that 9/10 of the Iraqi population have been waiting for their whole lives.

my question to you is, when will you just shut the fuck up?
 
"Samir Hassan, 32, who lost his leg in a car bomb blast in October, was determined to vote. "I would have crawled here if I had to. I don't want terrorists to kill other Iraqis like they tried to kill me. Today I am voting for peace," he said, leaning on his metal crutches, determination in his reddened eyes."

Can we trade him for the opposition here
 
It's steady progress, but still has a long way to go.

It's just nice to see another breeding-ground for global terrorists get cleaned-up. Terrorism is a reality for almost every major country. If the US can be proactive and send a message that we're best left alone when it comes to 9/11-type acts, it might save a lot more lives down the road.
 
75th said:
So are a bunch of the folks on here who wanted nothing more than Iraq to fall to pieces today so they would have another attack against Bush and his administration.

I didnt agree with the war at all, but no negative words should be spoken about this event.
wish to give thanks for your support and as well to your brethren
well done so far in a difficult assignment
the turnout today was permitted due to your's and those like your's sacrifice's
 
4everhung said:
wish to give thanks for your support and as well to your brethren
well done so far in a difficult assignment
the turnout today was permitted due to your's and those like your's sacrifice's

Thanks for the kind words. They are much appreciated.

i'm SURE the families of all the brave military members that have been murdered by this invasion, foisted off on an unsupsecting American public by our President, clutching their computer generated and machine signed letters of condolences, will be comforted by your words, 75th.

My words? Nah. But having been wounded there myself and knowing more than a few who have unfortunately passed on, I know that this election alone means worlds to them.

Despite what you wanted to happen, their deaths were not in vain.
 
75th said:
Despite what you wanted to happen, their deaths were not in vain.
If Shrub says so.

You Should Call Up some Moms of the dead And TRY to justify it.

Or maybe some maimed and cripples?

That Would be action right?

Just Try it once.

once.

I dont know about you

But What I wanted Was to Leave Inspectors In place to COntinue Searches.

That Were working/worked...

BTW.

But that Just me.
 
PW, that's the meaning of sacrifice. Which war would a Mom say "sure, my son can die in that?"

Sad about the voting. Sad that so many vote now and the turn out will drop off as it does in most first world nations in about 10 years.
 
75th said:
Despite what you wanted to happen, their deaths were not in vain.
what i (and many, many others) want to happen is:

for all American troops to come home to the Unites States Of America.

the electiion is over; the people have spoken and chosen their new leader......our job is DONE OVER THERE.
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
If Shrub says so.

You Should Call Up some Moms of the dead And TRY to justify it.

Or maybe some maimed and cripples?

That Would be action right?

Just Try it once.

once.

I dont know about you

But What I wanted Was to Leave Inspectors In place to COntinue Searches.

That Were working/worked...

BTW.

But that Just me.


I have talked to families of friends of mine who are no longer with us, and I know of even more families who have suffered a loss.

Even before I was wounded in Iraq, I had never agreed with the war. But I can tell you with much certainty that this is not only a big victory for the Iraqi citizens and our troops, but the families of our troops as well.
 
HumanTarget said:
it's a beautiful thing, i've never seen liberty happen before.
22 nations in the Arab leaque
NONE of them have a gov't held accountable to the people
until today
 
I've always been against this war from the start, with kids and people's family members getting killed over there for what has been increasingly amounting to nothing but lies. Blatant lies, at that. No actual terrorist ties, no WMDs. Just Bush's propaganda machine churning at full power to decieve the citizens of this country into fearing that if nothing is done, none of us are safe.
So if something good and just comes out of it, I'm not gonna bitch. Would a parent rather have their KIA son back than read about these people voting? Sure. Love is like that. But whether democracy goes on in Iraq or not, those soldiers that died cannot come back. If all the good that comes out of this shitty war is that a country of people gets to taste democracy, then I would rather have that than nothing at all. I have felt bitter about the lives lost over there, and for what? The threat of Saddam? We now know that he wasn't one. Terrorists? the only terrorism the US is experiencing is within Iraq's borders. WMDs? None found. Freeing the citizens of Iraq of their oppression? Looks like that may be happening. Yes, there's a long way to go for them. But was it worth it? Bush thinks so.
I hope to hell that we find a shitload of WMDs over there. I really do. A big shitload of ICBM's pointed straight at the US. With nuclear warheads. I know it won't happen. But if it did, we would at least know that our soldiers didn't go over there and lose their lives for (and I hate to say it) nothing. Although the freedom of the Iraq people may not be worth the lives lost in many people's eyes, it is, thankfully, something.
 
"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to 75th again."

I wonder where's perfectworld and goldendelicious to write down their intelligent comments. Bill O'Reilly is right of course saying the far left today is completely silent. Thta is called oportunism my friends.
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
If Shrub says so.

You Should Call Up some Moms of the dead And TRY to justify it.

Or maybe some maimed and cripples?

That Would be action right?

Just Try it once.

once.

I dont know about you

But What I wanted Was to Leave Inspectors In place to COntinue Searches.

That Were working/worked...

BTW.

But that Just me.

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to PERFECTWORLD again.
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
If Shrub says so.

You Should Call Up some Moms of the dead And TRY to justify it.

Or maybe some maimed and cripples?

That Would be action right?

Just Try it once.

once.

I dont know about you

But What I wanted Was to Leave Inspectors In place to COntinue Searches.

That Were working/worked...

BTW.

But that Just me.



I have a friend deployed. He did not support the war in Iraq. He was deployed about one year ago. Their parents were angry because they are democrats. But someday his dad talked to him by phone, and he said the truth. He said
"Dad, I came voluntarily here. I do not support the war, but I'm an American soldier. I'm not here to take advantage of benefits. I'm here because this time our country needs me. When we want to study, when we are unemployed, when we need a loan, the Governement is there for us. But what about when the governement or the country need us? Besides political views, we are one nation. And this time I'm doing my job"
That's what his dad told me. And something similar happens with thousands of soldiers. The families will never understand/accept loss of a relative KIA. Your point is wrong. You can have called the family of any soldier killed in WWI, WWII, Vietnam and it's the same. What is important, is on their minds. And THANKS a lot to rhem because they are doing the dirty job. As 75th said, their death was not in vain. Never was. And thanks to you 75th and all vets and soldiers here. I will never stop giving thanks to you guys. You all deserve the best.
 
I have nothing against soliders going to war to fight for freedom - if it is genuine...but iraq was never a war over freedom.

Why exactly are the US soliders still there?
 
We're going to help these people establish a sovreign democratic government which will help spread democratic reform in the middle east and prevent the nexus of Islamo-facists and nuclear or biological weapons.

Your country will benefit despite the carping as usual.
 
Spanky11 said:
I have nothing against soliders going to war to fight for freedom - if it is genuine...but iraq was never a war over freedom.

Why exactly are the US soliders still there?


We can't leave yet, Iraq isn't stable. Note that successful election does not equal a free and prosperous Iraq, the insurgents are still stronger than ever. I'm not saying I agree with us being there in the first place, but the fact is we are there and we have to see it through now.
 
its kinds like a kid saying, "mommy mommy i burnt the house down", and instead of trying to put it out you are still trying to light up the barn as well...
 
Forge said:
We can't leave yet, Iraq isn't stable.
the same was said about Viet Nam in the late 60's and early 70's.

how long are we going to stay in Iraq? do we invade Iran next to make that area of the world stable?

how long must we stay, how many innocent American lives must be murdered in a far away country that we have NO business invading??

did we learn NOTHING from invading far away countries???




"those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it".
 
rnch said:
the same was said about Viet Nam in the late 60's and early 70's.

how long are we going to stay in Iraq? do we invade Iran next to make that area of the world stable?

how long must we stay, how many innocent American lives must be murdered in a far away country that we have NO business invading??

did we learn NOTHING from invading far away countries???




"those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

That's why I don't agree with being there in the first place. We really haven't learned anything from our murky past, and I honestly don't know if we will ever succeed in making Iraq a peaceful country. But if we leave today then failure is gauranteed; if we stay then a chance for victory, however slim, is a possiblity.
 
Forge said:
That's why I don't agree with being there in the first place. We really haven't learned anything from our murky past, and I honestly don't know if we will ever succeed in making Iraq a peaceful country. But if we leave today then failure is gauranteed; if we stay then a chance for victory, however slim, is a possiblity.

true, but was ever worth the risk of losing so many soliders on a possibility?
 
rnch said:
so.........WHEN are we getting the HELL out of a country we had NO business invading??????????


I couldn't agree more...but we need to finish what we've started! The sooner the better...
 
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