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ACLU siding with the enemy. WTF?

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ACLU wants to help defend alleged Sept. 11 mastermind

By Carol Rosenberg

seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004329263_gitmo05.html

The American Civil Liberties Union, which for years has scorned Pentagon military commissions as "kangaroo courts," announced Friday it will try to provide top civilian defense attorneys for alleged terrorists facing trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba -- with special emphasis on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Former Attorney General Janet Reno is among top lawyers who have endorsed the $8.5 million effort, which will help coordinate and defray the attorneys' expenses.

ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said a major thrust will be to defend Mohammed, who military officials say has confessed to masterminding the Sept. 11 attacks and other terrorist acts, including the beheading in Pakistan of Wall Street Journal correspondent Daniel Pearl.

The ACLU chose to focus on his defense, Romero said, because he appears to be "the government's top priority in the prosecution. And whether or not they are able to convict Khalid Sheikh Mohammed under these rules may well determine the fate of the almost 300 other men who are detained at Guantánamo."

Mohammed was held in secret CIA custody until September 2006, and the CIA has admitted subjecting him to waterboarding while he was being questioned. Waterboarding simulates drowning and is considered torture by many human-rights advocates.

Mohammed's case "is likely to raise the most significant issues of torture, hearsay evidence and access to counsel," Romero said.

At the Pentagon, a war-court spokesman said the Office of Military Commissions hadn't received details about the ACLU program.

But Air Force Capt. Andre Kok noted that the law governing the trials entitles each Guantánamo defendant to a military defense lawyer and that volunteer civilian attorneys can also participate, without government reimbursement.

Romero said 11 lawyers have agreed to defend Guantánamo detainees facing death-penalty charges under the program, which the ACLU has dubbed "The John Adams Project" after the second president of the United States, who as an attorney was subjected to ridicule for defending British soldiers accused of killing colonists in the 1770 Boston Massacre.

Because the prisoners have been cast by the White House as the most reviled enemies of America, the ACLU and the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers issued endorsements of the effort from high-profile lawyers, including one from Reno, who served as President Clinton's attorney general for both of his terms and is the longest-serving attorney general in U.S. history.

"This is the time to demonstrate to the world that the United States need not abandon its principles," said Reno, "even as it seeks to ensure the safety of its citizens."

A collaborative effort

The program described Friday is the result of a stealthy collaboration between the ACLU, the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers and uniformed U.S. military lawyers.

On Feb. 11, the Pentagon prosecutor filed proposed death-penalty charges against Mohammed and five other men as alleged co-conspirators in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Since then Army Reserves Col. Steve David, who is the commissions' chief defense counsel, has been trying to build teams of military attorneys qualified to handle the complicated death-penalty cases from the mostly inexperienced military judge advocates general assigned to his office.

David, an Indiana judge in civilian life, has said that he wants to meet American Bar Association standards in the cases -- meaning assigning 12 government lawyers, six investigators and six paralegals. At the same time, the defense JAGs have been attending ABA death-penalty training classes.

The military commissions' legal adviser, Brig. Gen. Thomas Hartmann, has said that the military commissions are not obliged to follow ABA standards.

Protecting the system

Among those who've volunteered to defend the Sept. 11 conspirators are Idaho attorney David Nevin, whose previous cases include the successful defense of a Saudi charged with terrorism; New York attorney Joshua Dratel, who defended clients charged with the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center; and Denise LeBoeuf, a prominent New Orleans death-penalty defense attorney.

Romero said a noted death-penalty lawyer has agreed to defend Mohammed before the military commission -- if he's allowed to see Mohammed in private at the remote Guantánamo U.S. naval base and Mohammed agrees to accept his services.

Romero declined to name the attorney, but said that the lawyer had already applied for the high-level security clearance required to meet with Mohammed, who is held in seclusion at the base.

"The only way you can protect the system from being a complete sham is to make sure that they have a good defense," said Jennifer Daskal of Human Rights Watch, who also has been a commission observer. "And one way to do that is to have strong, zealous experienced lawyers."

Romero said the ACLU decided to champion the defense effort in response to the recent acceleration of military commission prosecution efforts, which some have said are timed for the 2008 campaign season.
 
the 'enemy' of the aclu is the government.

many of these 9/11 'masterminds' were purely arrested to bolster the cause for the war in 2003. Makes great brainwash material on CNN. And America fell for it.

We sure could use some Iraqi suicide bombers in america these days.

r
 
I didn't bother reading it but there should be so suprise to you.

They are anti-american, anti-constitutionalists...
 
Razorguns said:
the 'enemy' of the aclu is the government.

many of these 9/11 'masterminds' were purely arrested to bolster the cause for the war in 2003. Makes great brainwash material on CNN. And America fell for it.

We sure could use some Iraqi suicide bombers in america these days.

r


STFU. You need start backing up your stupid ass comments with some decent intel and reporting.

Apparently, you are the only person on this board who isn't a sheep and KNOWS what is really going on. Please inform us all.

Spending a single dime of our money to defend these muslim pukes makes me sick to my stomach. Try them as they try people such as daniel pearl..

I hope your tinfoil hat isn't too worn out.
 
MightyMouse69 said:
I didn't bother reading it but there should be so suprise to you.

They are anti-american, anti-constitutionalists...

No different than people who march in the streets and say shit about our President.

r
 
Razorguns said:
No different than people who march in the streets and say shit about our President.

r


Yeah, no different except the people they want to defend are fanatics, who decided kidnapping and beheading a journalist is justice.

We aren't talking about protesters, we are talking about people who would gladly kill everyone who wants to make sure they have a good defense and die for their stupid-ass religious beliefs. Not to mention a people that think it is an honor to strap bombs on themselves and kill their own people.

And there are some in this country that think they have "rights." Argue rights with them when you are in an orange jumpsuit about to have your head cut off.
 
mountain muscle said:
Yeah, no different except the people they want to defend are fanatics, who decided kidnapping and beheading a journalist is justice.

We aren't talking about protesters, we are talking about people who would gladly kill everyone who wants to make sure they have a good defense and die for their stupid-ass religious beliefs. Not to mention a people that think it is an honor to strap bombs on themselves and kill their own people.

And there are some in this country that think they have "rights." Argue rights with them when you are in an orange jumpsuit about to have your head cut off.
But, aren't you supposed to be the good guys? Sure, it's tough not to stoop to their level (like it's tough to believe in the freedom of speech when you read about the vile comments that people say), but that's one of the key differences right? Or should we just poison them all?
 
i agree with your reasoning mountain, as i understand the premise of your argument is based on the killing of Pearl, and why the hell are these terrorists being allowed top-notch lawyers, however, torturing them is really bad, and the news anchor group that daniel was involved in is just as much responsible as the mastermind who planned to kill him. Why send a news reporter, to a country, where minimum amounts of our troops are located, i mean what purpose was he in pakistan for? It's like a white man driving into compton with gang colors on and blasting rap music, did you think when they saw him they were gonna treat him with humanity? So yea, i think his employer should definetley recieve some of the heat too.

There are a million possibilties in which we couldv'e ended up in a similar situation, but we try our best to stay out of them.

and btw marines > army
 
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