well thats what i was trying to say....its not the BEST idea perhaps for MOST guys.....but certainly not the worst idea. dbol and arimidex together usually leads to quality gains. and being the first cycle, even just dbol will certainly help put on some size if done right. i think everyone either does, or things of doing, dbol only the first cycle. may as well let everyone just do it i say . and i was not advising two 17aa at the same time....but rather dbol THEN winny. still only running ONE oral for 8-10 weeks. not gonna kill you unless you have some pre-existing problems or what not. i would do two orals at once though if one was anavar. otherwise probably not. back to back, yes....as long as its not like 3 months or more