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Lupercal CATS
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Did you run anything with it? A-dex, l-dex, anything?
markshark said:
None of it
Lupercal CATS
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The Terminator said:None of it
Give or take a pound.
I ran dbol only @20mg ed for 5 week and grew like a weed I put on around 18 lb and kept 12lbs post cycle with most of the streanth gainsThe Terminator said:None of it
once the water went away I was very impressed and would do again
12lb and silly streanth gains for less than a night out
you better belive it
Bozwell said:I ran dbol only @20mg ed for 5 week and grew like a weed I put on around 18 lb and kept 12lbs post cycle with most of the streanth gains
once the water went away I was very impressed and would do again
12lb and silly streanth gains for less than a night out
you better belive it
If you gained AND kept 12 lbs from that small amount of AS then you were NOT ready to be using AS in the first place
If one is WAY below their genetic potential (i.e. started taking gear when one was 140 lbs then YES they could gain AND keep that much), but an advanced athlete with YEARS of training (Which IMO are the ONLY ones who should be using steroids
) is NOT going to get those kind of gains from 5 weeks of 20 mg/dbol a day The Terminator said:If you gained AND kept 12 lbs from that small amount of AS then you were NOT ready to be using AS in the first place
If one is WAY below their genetic potential (i.e. started taking gear when one was 140 lbs then YES they could gain AND keep that much), but an advanced athlete with YEARS of training (Which IMO are the ONLY ones who should be using steroids
so what your sayin is if your below your genetic potential (not ready) you could use a low dose of an AS,make great gains, and keep most of em. As opposed to someone who's advanced(ready), has to do considerably more, therefore putting themselves at a greater risk for sides and health problems, only to have less of a chance at keepin their gains in comparison.
Besides, you could have years off training experience and still make good gains off low doses.
locrian said:
Lol, I just don't get it. I just completed a 50mg 3 week cycle of d-bol, and I gained like 2 lbs. Strength didn't go up too much either. I know the d-bol was real ('cause I had permanent back pumps and I felt the side-effects the entire time), so don't gimme that shit about my gear not being real.
Thus, I will have to agree with The Terminator here. If you can gain that much on a mere cycle of d-bol, you are most definitely not ready for steroids.
Bruce
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you gotta respect terms postition. however, in my case and some others who are extreme ectomorphs i feel that gear is the only option once you reach a certain plateau, and that might not be 200 lbs. i am 6 2 and full grown i was 125 as a frosh, i got to 145 natty but that was all i could do. with gear i shot up 22lbs in 12 weeks to 165. so i feel sometimes one must use gear to grow, however, if you are able to put on weight without gear than you should wait till you need it, that is essentially what he is saying.
Joe Stenson
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The Terminator said:
Just never understood this stance. Granted, if you have no training experience or diet knowledge you shouldn't be using steroids, but assuming a somewhat decent background I think it's perfectly fine to use before hitting your genetic potential.
I mean, if you wait until your genetic potential, anything you gain from the cycle will be lost afterwards. So either you're forced to stay on for life, or you're just spinning your wheels. Taking gear to speed the process of reaching your genetic potential makes more sense to me.
Joe Stenson said:
Yes, thats true...But how many times have you seen guys on here with 2 months of weight training background (OR LESS
) who are already using steroids...
These kind of guys have no business using gear...
Its a cruth that once one learns on they tend to NEVER learn how to walk without it
I think most guys WOULD benefit from longer natural training before they turn to steroids to grow...A kid 18-20 yrs old with a few months of weight training experience is 'USUALLY' nowhere near ready for it, IMO
Ther are SO MANY ways to enhance growth WITHOUT gear but not many people seem to have the patience anymore to wait and learn how to eat to grow, or vary their training routines at all...They just take more and more juice
That is why you see guys on their second cycles taking 750-1000 mg of Test, with 600 deca, and 50 mg./day of Dbol
...To me that is just outrageous 
CENTURION44
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Lupercal CATS said:
Is nolva as effective with DBOL??
Joe Stenson
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The Terminator said:Yes, thats true...But how many times have you seen guys on here with 2 months of weight training background (OR LESS
These kind of guys have no business using gear...
Its a cruth that once one learns on they tend to NEVER learn how to walk without it
I think most guys WOULD benefit from longer natural training before they turn to steroids to grow...A kid 18-20 yrs old with a few months of weight training experience is 'USUALLY' nowhere near ready for it, IMO
Ther are SO MANY ways to enhance growth WITHOUT gear but not many people seem to have the patience anymore to wait and learn how to eat to grow, or vary their training routines at all...They just take more and more juice
That is why you see guys on their second cycles taking 750-1000 mg of Test, with 600 deca, and 50 mg./day of Dbol
Well, I think we're totally on the same page, but we just have different examples in the front of our minds. Everything you're saying is exactly true. I just take offense to that argument because I, myself, started early. And I'm not one of the guys you describe. I trained natty for 3-4 years, did my research, had my diet down, etc.
And now, at the tender age of 21, I'm not too far off of my genetic potential. The biggest thing for me is this: I'd way rather be "jacked" at 22-23 years of age, than when I hit my late 20's-early 30's. Who knows where my priorities will be by then. I have no aspirations to compete, so while I never see myself stopping working out, I'm sure it will move more to the background than it is right now.
Now, I can respect people having other opinions, but I think my contention is fairly reasonable.
Joe Stenson said:
Then I will leave it at this...
I think the LONGER you train naturally FIRST the better off you will be (you WILL learn more about how to train and eat right to grow when you are natural as it is ALOT harder), so it forces you to have to work harder for it
. Thus when you do finally get 'on' you have a better foundation laid out, and your work ethic will be better, IMO 3 years natural is better than 3 months
...But 5 years natural is better than 3 years, etc, etc...
Bruce
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ok term what if you train for five years and are only able to get to 145 eating 5000 cals a day and 300g of protein and your fucking ready to puke everyday. then with gear i did the same thing and 22 lbs came right on, won't u admit that certain ecto's reach a plateau at lower weights
bruce410 said:
NOBODY started off skinnier than I did (130 lbs)...So if I can gain it I think ANYBODY can...They simply just have to eat more...
I personally get sick at more than about 6k calories a day so I never get bigger than 185
...However I trained for 7 years naturally FIRST and gained ~35-37 lbs doing that...Take those extreme Ecto's (like myself) and even with gear you will still only be able to gain so much if you arent able to force yourself to eat like it is a job for you
Bruce
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like i said i got you beat i was 125 man, i swear to you getting to 145 was hell it took 4 years. i could get to 148 but i would be so bloated and sick from eating it was hell. when i am on gear i eat and i am still hungry thats what is so good for me, its not like its magic it just allows me to take in the cals better. bro i was 125 at 6 feet 1 and my waist is still 29 inches, with a 6 6 arm span, you can see how hard it is too press and put on that type of massThe Terminator said:NOBODY started off skinnier than I did (130 lbs)...So if I can gain it I think ANYBODY can...They simply just have to eat more...
I personally get sick at more than about 6k calories a day so I never get bigger than 185
Take those extreme Ecto's (like myself) and even with gear you will still only be able to gain so much if you arent able to force yourself to eat like it is a job for you
bruce410 said:
I KNOW how hard it is to gain for Ecto's like us
I am in my 30's now and STILL have the waistline of most 15 year old girls
(I used to borrow her belts sometimes )But what happens is that when you come off for say...6-8 months, you will lose most of the weight gained unless you can keep powering down 6-8k calories a day (it happens to me, and I would bet it will happen to you too
)And its just not always feasible for me to eat that kind of massive amounts of food day in and day out...So therefore I ALWAYS eventually return to THE SAME weight I started taking gear at...167-169 lbs
bruce410 said:
Give yourself 6 months off from gear (entirely), and I would bet you return back down to your starting weight
It happens to me if I take that much time off (UNLESS you can keep your calorie intake THAT high for the entire 6 months)...And I mean EVERYDAY
Though that would be near impossible
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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The Terminator said:NOBODY started off skinnier than I did (130 lbs)...So if I can gain it I think ANYBODY can...They simply just have to eat more...
I personally get sick at more than about 6k calories a day so I never get bigger than 185
Take those extreme Ecto's (like myself) and even with gear you will still only be able to gain so much if you arent able to force yourself to eat like it is a job for you
Sheeeeeeeeeeit, someone do the calculations here I've gotta be competin' for skinniest starter but, I am and was 6'4.5 w/out shoes and was 155 you could see this
baby pumpin'
Bruce
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term your ruining my dreams man. come onThe Terminator said:Give yourself 6 months off from gear (entirely), and I would bet you return back down to your starting weight
It happens to me if I take that much time off (UNLESS you can keep your calorie intake THAT high for the entire 6 months)...And I mean EVERYDAY
Though that would be near impossible
detroitbodybuildertigers said:Sheeeeeeeeeeit, someone do the calculations here I've gotta be competin' for skinniest starter but, I am and was 6'4.5 w/out shoes and was 155 you could see this
We should change your name to "Slim"
I had an old roommate years ago named Jimmy...
We nicked him out as "Slimmy".
That Fucker carved it in my coffee table at the time...
bruce410 said:
Probably back down near where you started at...
But lets say you "could" have reached 160 naturally...then THAT is probably more like where you might end up at...
It depends though...metabolism may slow with age, you may put on more fat with age...Your priorities WILL change, etc...
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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The Terminator said:We should change your name to "Slim"
I had an old roommate years ago named Jimmy...
We nicked him out as "Slimmy".
That Fucker carved it in my coffee table at the time...
no it was "Toothpick" actually
bruce410 said:term your ruining my dreams man. come on
Its kind of a crappy fact to face
...But it is REAL, so you have to face it at some point...
Bruce
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yea i was pencil legs, but i don't give a fuck i was the fastest lacrosse player on the field and as skinny as i was i was still strong as the big boys and i ran a 4.4 back in the day without any training at all. there was skinny bones jones, a whole host of others, but as pac said skinny niggas throw the dick well, so it was never a problem fo me.
bruce410 said:
I think as guys get older you will see their dosages get lower and lower
...And eventually many will just turn to HRT at 150-200 mg/week, permanently...What you may find as you get older is that you might do one cycle a year at maybe 400-600 mg of TOTAL gear and that's it...And be happy with that...
I know my dosages are progressively getting lower and lower each time
I thnk GH IS better the older you are, and most guys (non competitors) under 30 probably have little use for it...
But as far as its effects being more "permanent", I really cant say for sure as I have still yet to use it
...Though I would venture to say that yes its effects are probably longer lasting...But remember it can offer ALOT of other benefits like improved skin tone, skin elasticity, and a general youthful feeling that gear may or may not give you...
Bruce
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now i understand a lot better why you feel the way you do about gaining weight natty. still though i have a great friend that only used winny for 2 years straight. he is a thick kid was 170 natty, but he remains at 205 7% or so no fat, all year and he is done. he was an all american football player and is a genetic freak in that he doesn't eat just drinks coffee and works out. sucks to be an ecto sometimes.
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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The Terminator said:I think as guys get older you will see their dosages get lower and lower
What you may find as you get older is that you might do one cycle a year at maybe 400-600 mg of TOTAL gear and that's it...And be happy with that...
I know my dosages are progressively getting lower and lower each time
I thnk GH IS better the older you are, and most guys (non competitors) under 30 probably have little use for it...
But as far as its effects being more "permanent", I really cant say for sure as I have still yet to use it
Though I would venture to say that yes its effects are probably longer lasting...But remember it can offer ALOT of other benefits like improved skin tone, skin elasticity, and a general youthful feeling that gear may or may not give you...
agreed, with higher doses -muscle wise-have f'd me up...I get to damn strong and pull/tear muscles while lifting, and joints are starting to feel like an old man from heavy squats
sucks a fat hog This OFF period im on now has been the ONLY one where I have actually contemplated taking MORE time off than usual...why? B/C just like Termie said, as you get older you start to notice and sence what you REALLY need...damn im glad i didn't blow my wad with GH...what a bunch of nonsense that just was 
bruce410 said:
THAT is what alot of these youung new guys dont yet realize
(and they wont for years...)Is that if you CANT gain it naturally then, you WONT keep it after you come off for an extended period of time...
Unless you want to make eating food a fulltime job in your life (and THAT is too boring for most), unless you're Jay Cutler
aka THE most boring man in the world 
Outtlaw
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When I first started out I was about 140lbs at 6'1''. Now that's what I call anorexic!! Girls were bigger than me, and I kid you not. I wish I could get to the pic I took of myself back then. Im gonna post that thing up one day so people can see just how skinny I was. I could never go back to that weight. The lowest I could get to would probably be about 180. To get below that I'd really need to stop working out and eat like 2 meals a day. But that will never happen.
bruce410 said:
Could you get there naturally? (be realistic in your answer here...)
(and I DONT mean by adding 20 lbs of FAT weight into that equation...
)If not, then I doubt you could stay that size for any real length of time
(THAT is what alot of guys will have to learn the hard way...)
Once you come off for extended periods of time expect to return to your natural plateau size again
(and thus the need to alter your diet and training regimens)...which goes back to what I try to preach in the beginning...The NEED to use up all other options BEFORE using gear for that first time.Gear makes it TOO EASY to grow
...But once you take it out of the equation its not that easy anymore (and the problem for some is that they have leaned on that "crutch" too long), and then without it they dont know how to gain anymore When I stated using aas I was 12 and a half stone very lean below 10% body fat been training for about 5 tears joined a gym 3 years ago (Im 23 ) my first cycle was 1ml of sust per week for 8 weeks and I kept 12lbs of that cycle also
How can you say If I gain well for small doses Im not ready for aas, my diet is good I spend a mint of protein shakes and vitamins
by the sound of it you envy the fact I can make good gains or small amounts
How can you say If I gain well for small doses Im not ready for aas, my diet is good I spend a mint of protein shakes and vitamins
by the sound of it you envy the fact I can make good gains or small amounts
..WTF???
...I hope that's true. I just started training after 15 years off. Started when I was 15 and when I wuz 22 I was big enough that people in the gym were starting rumors about my using gear, although I never did. Making decent gains (I think) now w/o, but working on info for my first cycle.
Damn do I ever disagree with almost everything posted on this thread
can someone please explain to me how mass(actual muscle mass) gained from dbol, is ANY different than mass gained from ANY other steroid....good luck with that because there is absolutely no difference. I constantly hear people say stuff like "you will lose all your gains from dbol", but "if you run test you will keep much more"...that is one of the stupidest things I can think of, and I've worked with retarded people!!!! Any muscle mass you gain from any steroid, is just as easy to keep, it DOES NOT MATTER WHAT DRUG YOU USED TO GAIN IT!!!
I have seen tons of buddies that I train with run dbol only cycles. Two examples are guys that both have a few years training experience. They ran 6 week cycles, 30mg a day I believe. One gained 16lbs, and kept 13lbs, the other gained 12lbs, and last time I saw him(which was a year after the cycle), he was still up 9-10lbs.
People with very little steroid experience really should stop just repeating shit they have heard other people say, and havent experienced themselves. And if you have experienced this, then you need to spend some time on the training and diet forums, as if you pissed away the muscle you gained, thats your fault, not the dbol
can someone please explain to me how mass(actual muscle mass) gained from dbol, is ANY different than mass gained from ANY other steroid....good luck with that because there is absolutely no difference. I constantly hear people say stuff like "you will lose all your gains from dbol", but "if you run test you will keep much more"...that is one of the stupidest things I can think of, and I've worked with retarded people!!!! Any muscle mass you gain from any steroid, is just as easy to keep, it DOES NOT MATTER WHAT DRUG YOU USED TO GAIN IT!!!
I have seen tons of buddies that I train with run dbol only cycles. Two examples are guys that both have a few years training experience. They ran 6 week cycles, 30mg a day I believe. One gained 16lbs, and kept 13lbs, the other gained 12lbs, and last time I saw him(which was a year after the cycle), he was still up 9-10lbs.
People with very little steroid experience really should stop just repeating shit they have heard other people say, and havent experienced themselves. And if you have experienced this, then you need to spend some time on the training and diet forums, as if you pissed away the muscle you gained, thats your fault, not the dbol
karachi183
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needsize said:
Very well put! Listen to NS he knows his shit!
bruce410 said:
Agree 100%, started at 135 got to 170 natty after 4 yrs and just could gain any more, first cycle gained 15 lbs and have kept 8-10.......
Joe Stenson
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needsize said:
I totally agree with everything in your post, bro. That being said, it seemed sort of out of place. I know it's referring to the actual topic of the thread, but no one's even been discussing that. Everyone is talking about how long to wait before using AAS.
And bruce410, you're 6'2 and you get up to 167lbs ON cycle? With how serious you seem to be about your training and eating, you must have one CRAZY metabolism.
Joe Stenson said:
hes answering my question. i ran 50 mg of dbol for 4 weeks and my bench went up about 50 lbs....i have a hard time believing i will keep only 2 lbs of it. for like 5 days ive tapered down my dose too from 50 mg to now 25 mg and everything is still up. my back strength actually went through the roof today. when i first started the gear my one arm dumbell rows i was using 70-75 lbs, now im on the 110s. my pullups went from 15 to 26 also. im certain that if i train hard, eat 7-9 times a day and take creatine and protein post-cycle i will retain a lot of the gains. and ive taken aas before (deca and cyp) 2 years ago, ive been training for about 8 years hard, and never had the strength gains like this dbol.
Bozwell said:
There were about 10 different guys who posted in this thread before you...Who are you talking to
?
Bruce
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if i had no school or work, and i had unlimited access to tuna sushi i could have gotten up to about 175 tops. with that said its not realistic that those circumstances would come about. i just don't see how certain muscle i build which is lean and not water will just disappear.The Terminator said:Could you get there naturally? (be realistic in your answer here...)
(and I DONT mean by adding 20 lbs of FAT weight into that equation...
If not, then I doubt you could stay that size for any real length of time
(THAT is what alot of guys will have to learn the hard way...)
Once you come off for extended periods of time expect to return to your natural plateau size again
Gear makes it TOO EASY to grow
bruce410 said:
If you DONT give it enough calories to maintain then it WILL go away...
THAT is the sad reality of it for the true Ecto...You have to eat like its a job for you (if you wish to maintain the weight above and beyond what you can achieve naturally...)
And even then I will bet that after a certain amount of time with NO steroids you WILL eventually return back down near the weight you started out at...(ANYBODY who disagrees with that should take ONE YEAR COMPLETLEY OFF FROM GEAR, and then come here and post their results...I think it would be VERY interesting to see
)My friend always clowns with me about there being "no REAL genetic ceiling" (there IS however a ceiling on the threshhold of food you can consume to get you to a certain size though...These are almost the same things in my mind...)
I am sure I could get to 200 lbs IF I were able to focus everything on eating and training 24/7 but that is just NOT feasible for me
...So with my lifestyle I CANT achieve that potential goal...
needsize said:
That is why I put 2 laughing faces after mine
bruce410 said:
I know people who've done the same d-bol as I have, at lower doses, and they got better gains. Once I went off the d-bol I started feeling better in the gym, and I've also gotten stronger since. On the d-bol I had constant abdominal pain, back pumps, supressed hunger and I felt like throwing up after almost every workout.
I'm not saying d-bol sucks. It appears to work great for everybody who tries it. I'm simply not one of these people.
1UNDER
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I think that is the popular opinion because most of the time dbol is used for such a short time,(Toxicity issues and all),so that what is gained is mostly water and that in turn is lost when you stop using it.From what I have seen over the years anyone that makes and keeps major gains from dbol is the exception and not the rule.Or they have not reached there full natural potential before using anabolics.needsize said:
Outtlaw
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To say you'll go back to the weight you started at is a little decieving. I started at about 140lbs. I could never go back to that weight (not being healthy). I think if you're at a weight that your body can support naturally then you will be able to hold it provided you keep training regularly. If you're over the limit of what your body can support naturally, then you'll need anabolics in order to sustain it. I think that might be what you're trying to say. But it started to sound like you were saying that if you didnt get there naturally, then you'll eventually loose it when you come off the drugs (regardless of whether or not you're at a level the body can sustain naturally). Which I dont believe to be true at all.The Terminator said:If you DONT give it enough calories to maintain then it WILL go away...
THAT is the sad reality of it for the true Ecto...You have to eat like its a job for you (if you wish to maintain the weight above and beyond what you can achieve naturally...)
And even then I will bet that after a certain amount of time with NO steroids you WILL eventually return back down near the weight you started out at...(ANYBODY who disagrees with that should take ONE YEAR COMPLETLEY OFF FROM GEAR, and then come here and post their results...I think it would be VERY interesting to see
My friend always clowns with me about there being "no REAL genetic ceiling" (there IS however a ceiling on the threshhold of food you can consume to get you to a certain size though...These are almost the same things in my mind...)
I am sure I could get to 200 lbs IF I were able to focus everything on eating and training 24/7 but that is just NOT feasible for me
Joe Stenson
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1UNDER said:
I don't think it has anything to do with natural potential. If you gain MUSCLE on d-bol, it's the exact same as gaining it on any other drug.
The first part of your post, however, is bang-on. How much MUSCLE do you actually expect to gain running 4 weeks of d-bol? And d-bol can bloat you pretty bad too, so any substantial weight gain is likely to be water. Then once you come off the drug the water goes away, and guys say they lost their "gains". Any muscle that you gained though can be kept with proper PCT.
Outtlaw said:
Yup, definitely agree here too. You really shouldn't lose any muscle you gain on a cycle as long as you're not at your genetic potential. Granted, it's easy to mess up PCT, especially for the inexperienced.
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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The Terminator said:ANYBODY who disagrees with that should take ONE YEAR COMPLETLEY OFF FROM GEAR, and then come here and post their results...I think it would be VERY interesting to see
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yes it would be very interesting since no one on this thread has done so i bet
Little Boy
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needsize said:
Agreed.
Especially if you run a 6-8 lower dose dbol cycle, the gains will be more lean.
People who take 50mg for 4 weeks may gain a ton of water if they don't use arimidex, but there's still plenty of muscle gained, too.
Why the fuck would all the muscle go away after a d-bol only cycle? It wouldn't, but there's tons of retards who think otherwise. Those must be the ones who don't know what PCT is.
detroitbodybuildertigers said:The Terminator said:ANYBODY who disagrees with that should take ONE YEAR COMPLETLEY OFF FROM GEAR, and then come here and post their results...I think it would be VERY interesting to see
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yes it would be very interesting since no one on this thread has done so i bet
What happens alot of times is people say "I gained 15 lbs on my cycle and kept 10 of it" Its not that hard to keep 10 lbs in the 8 whole weeks they were "off"...But if one were to take a substantial amount of time off (6-12 months), then I think more often than not one would see alot more than those just 5 lbs lost between cycles
Its not that hard to "keep gains" when one is only off for a few months...
I remember back between my 2nd and 3rd cycles I took 9 months off
Outtlaw said:
THIS was what I meant to say...
Sometimes I get long winded and lose track of what I have typed
...This is why I try to keep my replies from being so long Joe Stenson
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The Terminator said:What happens alot of times is people say "I gained 15 lbs on my cycle and kept 10 of it" Its not that hard to keep 10 lbs in the 8 whole weeks they were "off"...But if one were to take a substantial amount of time off (6-12 months), then I think more often than not one would see alot more than those just 5 lbs lost between cycles
Its not that hard to "keep gains" when one is only off for a few months...
I remember back between my 2nd and 3rd cycles I took 9 months off
I definitely agree. In fact, if the 5lbs they lost post-cycle isn't water, then I wouldn't even consider that a good PCT. If you're only taking a month or two off between cycles you really shouldn't lose anything. You don't even start noticing strength losses until after about 6 weeks (my experience and others). If anything (taking water losses into account), I'd say you're more likely to GAIN weight post-cycle because it's possible you'll gain some fat when you keep cals high enough to ensure maintenance of the muscle.
im lovin this. a week and a half off of my 4-week dbol cycle and all the shitty water weight is melting off and im just as strong (actually my shoulder strength went up today). ive been taking NO2, creatine, 60x0 and whey isolate and 7 meals a day and strength wise i dont feel like im losing anything, even though its barely been 2 weeks. i was never concerned about size though, just strength. im sure ill eventually lose a little, but im happier with my coming-off results even more because my face is thinnning out, im losing shit weight and acne is disappearing and i look more muscular. well see what happens in the next few weeks. ill update.
karachi183
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markshark said:
Yeah Keep us posted Bro! I'm in second week and loving it except for the tiredness. Strength is up as well as weight but i actually don't care about the weight so much as change in body comp! Yeah and i'm already starting to get the fat face to weeks in!
almost 3 weeks out of dbol cycle and STILL have the strength gains!! ive been lifting hard as hell, gettin sleep, eating 7 meals a day and staying up with the NO2, creatine, protein and 60x0. the only difference ive noticed is that i have to psych myself up more to do heavier weights and a little longer rest periods since i dont feel like He-Man anymore. other then that, no complaints at all.....just got in a cycle of test and deca im gonna save for next winter/spring so all natural til then. just lifting hard as usual.
karachi183
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markshark said:
Nice! I have one more week left @25mgs then i'll go on a maintenance dose of 10 or 15mgs.. Strength is up on all lifts / no sides except night sweats(harder to fall asleep tho) constant wood LOL / rapid weight gain. Started @ 175 after the first week dropped down to 168 had a bad weekend lost 5 pounds literally then after getting back on track back up to 171 with a very nice change in body comp. So far so good and loving it!
karachi183 said:Nice! I have one more week left @25mgs then i'll go on a maintenance dose of 10 or 15mgs.. Strength is up on all lifts / no sides except night sweats(harder to fall asleep tho) constant wood LOL / rapid weight gain. Started @ 175 after the first week dropped down to 168 had a bad weekend lost 5 pounds literally then after getting back on track back up to 171 with a very nice change in body comp. So far so good and loving it!
haha the wood....i was jackin off 3-4 times a day not losin a step. keep the gains comin man.
hsthompson23
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Yeah, d-bol by its self is not going to help in retainning. It is kind of a tease really. Just keep trainning hard don't let the down fall get to you. Push,
slash747
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detroitbodybuildertigers said:The Terminator said:ANYBODY who disagrees with that should take ONE YEAR COMPLETLEY OFF FROM GEAR, and then come here and post their results...I think it would be VERY interesting to see
I have been off since last june. Strength is still there I went from 240 to 215 BUT I went from a size 38 to a size 32 and most of it was fat. I think it depends on the person. I have a hard time losing weight not gaining it.
