Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below who said I have the answer in my head already? Everyone accept honeynut is just using baboon logic. Honeynut actually used the machine and gave me an honest opinion about it, which I appreciate, if anyone actually read my originally post they would be able to tell that I was asking if these machines were affective, not claiming that they were because I never used one. Then when you people started jumping on my back; I gave my reasons why I thought it looked like it may work, and you tried to argue with me without any real knowledge that I was wrong. When I never said anything that I claimed to be right, i just merely asked a question. Your answer honeynut was informative and I appreciate it, because now I have a true testimonial to base the product on, and I will not be purchasing the electronic ab machines anytime soon. Thank you again.
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:I'm just going to point out that it doesn't do anything.
Abs are gotten 2 ways fat reductions and building them up (primarily the first)
1. It doesn't burn fat. contacting you ab muscles in such a way is like opening and closing your hands throughout the day and expecting that to replace cardio.
2. It doesn't build them up, while it does contract the muscles it does not do it w/ enough force. It would be like building a large chest benching 25IB dumbbells. I have gimicky device that is used for console games the pads attach to you forarms and shock you depending upon the games actions (works based off the vibration mechanisms built into games), I've played a damn lot of fighting games getting my forearms shocked the living hell out of at the maximum setting and needless to say they havn't grown. The tire I feel is more like the tiredness you legs feel after walking you didn't build any muscle but your tired, and forearms/abs/arms ect.. are just too small of a musclegroup to illicit much responce to there actions via metabolism. (one of the reasons you rarely see hand cycles for cardio, legs are the most effective means, arms can flail about for quite some time and burn a ridiculously low amount of calories)
So I ask, if it doesn't burn fat and it doesn't burn muscle. What can I expect from the machine. Relaxation of tense muscles is the only thing I can think of which of course won't ellicit the advertised effect.
We arn't jelous of the device for contracting you abs (ineffectively at that), working abs isn't hard its very easy. Diet and cardio is the bitch.
What gets us is that people buy into this stuff because they don't know better. Of course it makes sense to you, your information on the subject is limited and mostly provided by whom the marketer of the product. We don't want to see you waste your money on a useless product, it only encourages more useless products to try and take its place which we have to filter through to find whats good (A major pain when it comes to supplements that why new ones are introduced so often not because of breaktrhoughs but because under new names some people will inevitably buy into it, until its exposed. Its much harder to judge a chemical than an excersize device) luckily excersize devices unlike chemicals do not require nearly the same level of knowledge to undstand the workings and we can pick out the scams by eye rather than expensive trial and error.
If you were to purchase a car, and you saw that the engine was smokine like crazy out of the hood, and the guy said look at the crazy power of the engine the smoke shows how hard its working.
You obviously wouldn't buy the lemon of a car.
Now someone who doesn't know cars arn't supposed to smoke like that, perhaps all they have seen are longpull cars on TV where they burn special gas and fire and smoke flys from the engine in great show (and location of exaust). He would think the car is simply the same way and the immense amount of smoke is an indicator of the engines power.
The electronic pulse thing has been around a long time, it hasn't hit the market like it has now because no long term effects on our nervous systems have been conducted untill recently so that it was not passed as being safe (which studies have indicated that there is no harm in repeated shockings). No one pushed for the studies to come out because there wasn't much use for it. Many gamers don't like being shocked as they play, there certainly isn't any muscular value of twitching the muscles (would be funny if there wqas people w/ the nervous twitch in there faces would be huge muscles there)
One of my friends brother has a nervous problem in his neck the result is that he shakes his head around constantly. He hasn't grown any muscles and hes fat so no luck for weightloss despite the fact that he shakes for almost everywaking hour of the day.
We don't mean to be rude against you its just most can't understand how you can even begin to think it would work. Would you understand the guy buying the smokeing lemon car?
Abs are gotten 2 ways fat reductions and building them up (primarily the first)
1. It doesn't burn fat. contacting you ab muscles in such a way is like opening and closing your hands throughout the day and expecting that to replace cardio.
2. It doesn't build them up, while it does contract the muscles it does not do it w/ enough force. It would be like building a large chest benching 25IB dumbbells. I have gimicky device that is used for console games the pads attach to you forarms and shock you depending upon the games actions (works based off the vibration mechanisms built into games), I've played a damn lot of fighting games getting my forearms shocked the living hell out of at the maximum setting and needless to say they havn't grown. The tire I feel is more like the tiredness you legs feel after walking you didn't build any muscle but your tired, and forearms/abs/arms ect.. are just too small of a musclegroup to illicit much responce to there actions via metabolism. (one of the reasons you rarely see hand cycles for cardio, legs are the most effective means, arms can flail about for quite some time and burn a ridiculously low amount of calories)
So I ask, if it doesn't burn fat and it doesn't burn muscle. What can I expect from the machine. Relaxation of tense muscles is the only thing I can think of which of course won't ellicit the advertised effect.
We arn't jelous of the device for contracting you abs (ineffectively at that), working abs isn't hard its very easy. Diet and cardio is the bitch.
What gets us is that people buy into this stuff because they don't know better. Of course it makes sense to you, your information on the subject is limited and mostly provided by whom the marketer of the product. We don't want to see you waste your money on a useless product, it only encourages more useless products to try and take its place which we have to filter through to find whats good (A major pain when it comes to supplements that why new ones are introduced so often not because of breaktrhoughs but because under new names some people will inevitably buy into it, until its exposed. Its much harder to judge a chemical than an excersize device) luckily excersize devices unlike chemicals do not require nearly the same level of knowledge to undstand the workings and we can pick out the scams by eye rather than expensive trial and error.
If you were to purchase a car, and you saw that the engine was smokine like crazy out of the hood, and the guy said look at the crazy power of the engine the smoke shows how hard its working.
You obviously wouldn't buy the lemon of a car.
Now someone who doesn't know cars arn't supposed to smoke like that, perhaps all they have seen are longpull cars on TV where they burn special gas and fire and smoke flys from the engine in great show (and location of exaust). He would think the car is simply the same way and the immense amount of smoke is an indicator of the engines power.
The electronic pulse thing has been around a long time, it hasn't hit the market like it has now because no long term effects on our nervous systems have been conducted untill recently so that it was not passed as being safe (which studies have indicated that there is no harm in repeated shockings). No one pushed for the studies to come out because there wasn't much use for it. Many gamers don't like being shocked as they play, there certainly isn't any muscular value of twitching the muscles (would be funny if there wqas people w/ the nervous twitch in there faces would be huge muscles there)
One of my friends brother has a nervous problem in his neck the result is that he shakes his head around constantly. He hasn't grown any muscles and hes fat so no luck for weightloss despite the fact that he shakes for almost everywaking hour of the day.
We don't mean to be rude against you its just most can't understand how you can even begin to think it would work. Would you understand the guy buying the smokeing lemon car?
Walk a mile before you pass judgement!
In response to some of the pseudo professional out there......."Don't judge someone else's fitness attempts till you've walked a mile in their shoes!", if you get my point. I don't think any rational person logically expects to become a "Charles Atlas", or a model for "Bowflex" simply by using EMS. EMS is not a cure-all for those too lazy to do any type of exercise. However, it can help to tone muscles, and increase strength. The people that realize the most noticeable results are those with the poorest muscle tone. If for no other reason, EMS can act as a catalyst for some people to become more involved in a more demanding exercise regimen if in fact they begin to see results from the use of EMS. It can give them hope where they originally saw none.
I began using EMS with some of the infomercial models advertised on TV, due primarily to work schedule constraints limiting available time for more conventional workout regimens. Even though I did start to see a change, none were of the quality that produced the results advertised, nor were they of the quality deserving of the prices charged. The old adage, "You get what you pay for" is more than a little appropriate in this case. Well, I finally purchase a more professional model from the Vitalityweb site, and I have been very gratified with the results. I don't expect to gain "six pack abs", nor bulging muscles, simply by using this unit, however when the underlying muscles gain improved tone and strength it's only common sense to expect to see an improvement in the outward appearance. It's comparable to the difference you might expect to see when you fill a bag with jello, and then fill that same bag with rocks, there has to be a much different appearance (A rather simple analogy, but it makes my point.). No, EMS treatment by itself will not burn fat, but it will tighten muscles, and improve outward appearance. Just because one responder here had a less than desirable experience trying EMS he (logically deduces?) that it is useless. That was a very "indepth" study he performed, on a technology that has helped a number of people. I would suggest he learn a little more about the process before he condemns it. Once a person who is utilizing EMS starts to see noticeable results he/she is more prone to continue exercising, becoming involved with weights, aerobics, etc., in an attempt to help maintain, or improve, that "new "body.
There are also any number of people that, due to physical limitations, work schedules, etc., are unable to enroll in exercise classes, or commit to lengthy workout regimens. To tell them that without that type of commitment there is no hope, nor any option, is both unfair, and untrue.
I think to a great extent, those who complain the loudest, find it necessary to do so because they have dedicated considerable time and effort, and have endured the associated pain/discomfort, to achieve their physical improvements. They therefore resent anyone able to experience some of the same results without the same commitment. I guess if you follow that logic then no one but the "elite" body builder/weightlifter deserves to enjoy improved muscle tone and fitness. One "obviously" is more deserving than the other? Well folks that life, live with it.
Don't dismiss EMS as an alternative exercise modality, or as a means of augmenting/supplementing a workout regimen.
A healthy life style, including exercise, and proper diet, help to build the foundation for fitness. Don't exclude options for, or ridicule someone else's attempts to, improve their physical condition by concluding that they must simply be lazy. What is right for one isn't necessarily the right thing for everyone.
In response to some of the pseudo professional out there......."Don't judge someone else's fitness attempts till you've walked a mile in their shoes!", if you get my point. I don't think any rational person logically expects to become a "Charles Atlas", or a model for "Bowflex" simply by using EMS. EMS is not a cure-all for those too lazy to do any type of exercise. However, it can help to tone muscles, and increase strength. The people that realize the most noticeable results are those with the poorest muscle tone. If for no other reason, EMS can act as a catalyst for some people to become more involved in a more demanding exercise regimen if in fact they begin to see results from the use of EMS. It can give them hope where they originally saw none.
I began using EMS with some of the infomercial models advertised on TV, due primarily to work schedule constraints limiting available time for more conventional workout regimens. Even though I did start to see a change, none were of the quality that produced the results advertised, nor were they of the quality deserving of the prices charged. The old adage, "You get what you pay for" is more than a little appropriate in this case. Well, I finally purchase a more professional model from the Vitalityweb site, and I have been very gratified with the results. I don't expect to gain "six pack abs", nor bulging muscles, simply by using this unit, however when the underlying muscles gain improved tone and strength it's only common sense to expect to see an improvement in the outward appearance. It's comparable to the difference you might expect to see when you fill a bag with jello, and then fill that same bag with rocks, there has to be a much different appearance (A rather simple analogy, but it makes my point.). No, EMS treatment by itself will not burn fat, but it will tighten muscles, and improve outward appearance. Just because one responder here had a less than desirable experience trying EMS he (logically deduces?) that it is useless. That was a very "indepth" study he performed, on a technology that has helped a number of people. I would suggest he learn a little more about the process before he condemns it. Once a person who is utilizing EMS starts to see noticeable results he/she is more prone to continue exercising, becoming involved with weights, aerobics, etc., in an attempt to help maintain, or improve, that "new "body.
There are also any number of people that, due to physical limitations, work schedules, etc., are unable to enroll in exercise classes, or commit to lengthy workout regimens. To tell them that without that type of commitment there is no hope, nor any option, is both unfair, and untrue.
I think to a great extent, those who complain the loudest, find it necessary to do so because they have dedicated considerable time and effort, and have endured the associated pain/discomfort, to achieve their physical improvements. They therefore resent anyone able to experience some of the same results without the same commitment. I guess if you follow that logic then no one but the "elite" body builder/weightlifter deserves to enjoy improved muscle tone and fitness. One "obviously" is more deserving than the other? Well folks that life, live with it.
Don't dismiss EMS as an alternative exercise modality, or as a means of augmenting/supplementing a workout regimen.
A healthy life style, including exercise, and proper diet, help to build the foundation for fitness. Don't exclude options for, or ridicule someone else's attempts to, improve their physical condition by concluding that they must simply be lazy. What is right for one isn't necessarily the right thing for everyone.
Muscles get bigger and stronger by causing damage to them. In order to cause damage, you have to work hard. These ab machines do not use a strong enough current to cause sufficient damage to the muscle. If they were to use enough current, your body wouldn't be able to stand it. These electro stimulation machines used by doctors and physio's are for rehab purposes to rehab either severly atrophied muscles or muscles that an injured person couldn't work because of where it is(spinal erectors). For that they work, because the intended goal is to build up stength from nothing, while bodybuilding is increased strength beyond the ability of an electronic stimulis machine.
Misinformation reigns supreme.
Obviously DanG you have a physiology degree, and I'm sure you have done extensive research into electronic muscle stimulation. Well, you went to the wrong university, and your research is flawed.
Tell you what, you come on over, and I'll hook you up to the EMS 2000R, and I'll show you what a real contraction is all about. No, you won't do that with one of the TV infomercial variety models, although they can "get your attention" at times. The point was that they (the infomercial models) are simply consumable products, manufactured primarily to prey on people wanting to make a difference in their appearance/physical condition, but who don't have the time, or ability (for whatever reason) to commit to expensive gym memberships, or extensive workout schedules.
Well, there are units out there that can provide some of the results desired. Not the "six packs, or the Swartzenegger type bulging muscles, but they can condition, strengthen, tone, and define muscles........ even if it is under a layer of fat.
Do you feel threatened by the thought that someone else may benefit from the use of this technology. I don't understand your condemnation of something you so obviously don't understand, or at least have not spent anytime studying/using.
Sometimes the advice you find on here is worth about what you pay for it. I suggest anyone interested do a little research outside the commercial sites on the internet, and maybe use one of the units designed for fitness, not for TV.
Obviously DanG you have a physiology degree, and I'm sure you have done extensive research into electronic muscle stimulation. Well, you went to the wrong university, and your research is flawed.
Tell you what, you come on over, and I'll hook you up to the EMS 2000R, and I'll show you what a real contraction is all about. No, you won't do that with one of the TV infomercial variety models, although they can "get your attention" at times. The point was that they (the infomercial models) are simply consumable products, manufactured primarily to prey on people wanting to make a difference in their appearance/physical condition, but who don't have the time, or ability (for whatever reason) to commit to expensive gym memberships, or extensive workout schedules.
Well, there are units out there that can provide some of the results desired. Not the "six packs, or the Swartzenegger type bulging muscles, but they can condition, strengthen, tone, and define muscles........ even if it is under a layer of fat.
Do you feel threatened by the thought that someone else may benefit from the use of this technology. I don't understand your condemnation of something you so obviously don't understand, or at least have not spent anytime studying/using.
Sometimes the advice you find on here is worth about what you pay for it. I suggest anyone interested do a little research outside the commercial sites on the internet, and maybe use one of the units designed for fitness, not for TV.
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