AAS And BF, Age and Goals

[rediculus]

I am reading alot on here where people read for a day or 2 get some info and post up. My First cycle started yesterday and I am asking for some cycle suggestions what should I do?

whatever everyone has to figure it out until you finally just take the damn leap or don't.

BUT I hear repeatedly don't up the steroids if your bodyfat is over 15% or 18% or 13%

Honestly I train pretty hard and it is extremely tough for me to lean out. I don't know for sure what my bodyfat is other than a trainer did some caliper test and I came out 15? I doubt that's bodyfat cuz I can pinch an inch homie. I have pictures on the supplments thread you can see I'm pretty chunky.

My goals are primarily strength related. Add a few centimeters to my arms would be nice and some burnt off fat would be great since my fat seems to be localized to certain areas.

Here is my question! I already know I am old enough I eat enough protien and plenty of food that's NOT My issue gaining weight is NOT my issue.Yes I eat cake every 3 or 4 weeks or on occassion and sometimes I eat del taco and sometimes I eat grandma's home made chicken enchilada's that are really good..meaning really fattening. HIGH IN PROTIEN though.

Why tell people to loose weight before you try gear? How many powerlifters do you think are on gear? I bet not many Powerlifters or WSM competitors are under 13% bodyfat. If gear doesn't seem to work as well at higher bodyfats why? If your running gear and doing some cardio and in a caloric defficient state what will your bodyfat do? I would assume drop at immense rates? Please discuss I am all ears on this one.

PS is there a list of ratings for each steroid Androgenic and Anabolic? where is that? I am really just looking for more information on what I am looking at. Test E test Enan Test Cypionate Propionate? Are these all basically just different esters of test? Same thing but different kinda deal? If that's the case then Masteron and Trenbelone in relation to test E etc etc etc?

 

[badhabit08]

steroidtips.com and also on bodybuilding.com search steroid profiles.
people want u to be under a certain bodyfat if u want to look good and cut up. thats the only reason u would want to be under a certain bodyfat. if ur goin for pure strength and size and dont care bout fatness lvl then go right ahead.

 

[badhabit08]

also kinda not true that steroids help u lose fat. they may, but really just for keeping muscle or even gaining muscle while on a diet to lose weight.

 

[sweed]

Like badhabit said, if your going strictly for size and strength, you don't care what you look like There are some PW's with abs!
BF is hard to do. It takes a lot of time and hard work and a strict diet. but we get that cheat meal over the weekend and that is fine. I prefer to be very lean. I am now 18% ish ( my pics are when I was 20% +) I am chosong not to do a cycle until I reach that goal first.
If you prefer the old lee priest off season bulker, so be it, haha

As far as your other question. suspension, propinate, phenylproponate, enannthate, cypionate, etc are the esters.

I wish there was a site showing people at correct bf from like 6- 20% so people could gage where they really are.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Why tell people to loose weight before you try gear? How many powerlifters do you think are on gear? I bet not many Powerlifters or WSM competitors are under 13% bodyfat. If gear doesn't seem to work as well at higher bodyfats why? If your running gear and doing some cardio and in a caloric defficient state what will your bodyfat do? I would assume drop at immense rates? Please discuss I am all ears on this one.

It's best to be in shape before using gear because gear will enhance what you have. If you're just interested in getting strong and don't mind looking like a heavyset powerlifter, then it doesn't matter.

 

[viciousness]

I am reading alot on here where people read for a day or 2 get some info and post up. My First cycle started yesterday and I am asking for some cycle suggestions what should I do?

whatever everyone has to figure it out until you finally just take the damn leap or don't.

BUT I hear repeatedly don't up the steroids if your bodyfat is over 15% or 18% or 13%

Honestly I train pretty hard and it is extremely tough for me to lean out. I don't know for sure what my bodyfat is other than a trainer did some caliper test and I came out 15? I doubt that's bodyfat cuz I can pinch an inch homie. I have pictures on the supplments thread you can see I'm pretty chunky.

My goals are primarily strength related. Add a few centimeters to my arms would be nice and some burnt off fat would be great since my fat seems to be localized to certain areas.

Here is my question! I already know I am old enough I eat enough protien and plenty of food that's NOT My issue gaining weight is NOT my issue.Yes I eat cake every 3 or 4 weeks or on occassion and sometimes I eat del taco and sometimes I eat grandma's home made chicken enchilada's that are really good..meaning really fattening. HIGH IN PROTIEN though.

Why tell people to loose weight before you try gear? How many powerlifters do you think are on gear? I bet not many Powerlifters or WSM competitors are under 13% bodyfat. If gear doesn't seem to work as well at higher bodyfats why? If your running gear and doing some cardio and in a caloric defficient state what will your bodyfat do? I would assume drop at immense rates? Please discuss I am all ears on this one.

PS is there a list of ratings for each steroid Androgenic and Anabolic? where is that? I am really just looking for more information on what I am looking at. Test E test Enan Test Cypionate Propionate? Are these all basically just different esters of test? Same thing but different kinda deal? If that's the case then Masteron and Trenbelone in relation to test E etc etc etc?

ya had to go and mention del taco didnt ya, eat a 9 x 9 from in and out everyday andyou'll lean right out while gaining some serious mass oh how i hate u lucky westcoast bastards with the banginest fast food chains! peace to sansai grill fatburger jack in the box deltaco el torrito etc etc etcccccccc

 

[10001110101]

keep in mind most peeps on this board are bb'ers or people who'd like to look like bb'ers and any deviation from that ideal standard is generally unaccepted.

this forum regards steroid use to augment one's physical appearance and to some extent physical and mental well-being.

but aside from that anything over 18% bf is moving towards obesity which is a medical problem that will undoubtedly cause complication when steroids are used in bb'ing dosages.

 

[rediculus]

I really wish I knew what my BF was then...I can see striations in my shoulders depending how I move but they aren't "Pronounced" and when I bend over I get a little belly like most people I guess. My legs have almost 0 fat except the typical inner thigh....Thanks for the info on steroid profiles. I will look at that up.

Nobody came up with one simple observation which is shocking imho. Tearing down fat and building muscle at the same time. VERY possible!

The human body typically doesn't like to be below 13 percent BF if I remember right. More so your body is less likely to panic and burn muscle at higher bodyfat's when you do cardio. More likely to store protien as muscle rather than "fat reserves" So if you are below 14% and " bulking up"? plan to add BF first (again in my ignorant opinion) then mass later.

If your at 18% body fat your 6 percent below obesity and frankly I know we don't have that 6 pack many of you experienced lifters may have.Our bodies are not concerned with having enough fat for the nervous systems or any other system. Look at true performance athletes. They are most all above 10% body fat including swimmers.(yes your body needs fat but the educated among you already knew that) So it will happily throw on lbs of strong lean powerful muscle. You can eat with reckless abandon because your NOT worried about your 6 pack abs.(note WSM competitors really are not very obese but any under 14%BF?)

And the calories you will burn with 10lbs of lean muscle added to your frame. Will make a fair difference in how quickly you can drop your body fat afterward. To my logic someone increases their BMR fairly dramatically by adding the muscle.Then they cut back 500 calories a day for 6 weeks their body will cut up very nicely.OPINION here please discuss

Discuss, call me a moron all that good stuff. I realize I am a fatty so that doesn't bother me. I just think people are discouraging people from starting a cycle for the wrong reasons.

 

[rediculus]

also kinda not true that steroids help u lose fat. they may, but really just for keeping muscle or even gaining muscle while on a diet to lose weight.

I wouldn't say that steroids help someone loose weight. If your not excersizing and eating lean..You wont' loose weight. If your in a caloric surplus you are probably less likely to add fat. If your in a caloric deficit I think you far less likely to burn muscle.

Get big first. burn more fat when the day comes.

PLEASE Do discuss if certain hormones help to break down your existing bodyfat into energy stores if you are in a caloric deficit while on cycle.

 

[needtogetaas]

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[rediculus]

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[socalmuscle]

my 2 cents on BF...

last hydro test in May 08, i was at 226@10%...abs not showing...

every carries there bodyfat differently I have learned, in the past I would always try and compare myself to others. Doing this didnt help me much. personally I dont really show visable abs until im 8% or so, I carry my last bits of fat on my core/love handle/inner and top of my quads. I maintain 10% or less year round which at this point is not very hard to do.

just something to think about. Do whats right for you.

 

[rediculus]

This thread has really brought out some good stuff. Hey so cal any possiblity you'd tell me where you got the hydro test? If nothing else I'd like a half way accurate answer

 

[socalmuscle]

there are alot of places in socal that offer the test, either hydro or bodpod... just do a google search to find one closest to you