A Simple Question

[Fudge Tunnel]

I haven't been here that long but there is one thing I don't understand and maybe some of you can explain this to me, Why do a lot of people post stuff like this:

you should always have adex, letro, caber or bromo, nolva, Clomid on hand in case you need them

My question is why wait until there is a problem? Why are you not running these everyday? Do you know how your prostate can be effected by not using these?

By not using an A/I while cycling you are playing with fire. Not using caber or pramipexole while running a nand. is asking for a problem. Waiting until there is a problem to try and clear something up it is usually too late.

Please don't say that it hinders your gains either that is a myth.

Thanks in advance.

 

[deezal]

Very true could never understand this myself, I would rather see solid gains, then being bloated Always better safe then sorry!

Jay

 

[RADAR]

guess i'm one of the lucky ones ,i have never had a need to run any AI's.





RADAR

 

[joe d]

I haven't been here that long but there is one thing I don't understand and maybe some of you can explain this to me, Why do a lot of people post stuff like this:

you should always have adex, letro, caber or bromo, nolva, Clomid on hand in case you need them

My question is why wait until there is a problem? Why are you not running these everyday? Do you know how your prostate can be effected by not using these?

By not using an A/I while cycling you are playing with fire. Not using caber or pramipexole while running a nand. is asking for a problem. Waiting until there is a problem to try and clear something up it is usually too late.

Please don't say that it hinders your gains either that is a myth.

Thanks in advance.

that is my line you quoted.

prolactin should always be prevented from the start. estro is hlpful to gains, it helps you in the gym. unless your estro is causing a problem it is better left alone. that doesnt mean to let it go through the roof. treating gyno as soon as it starts is verry easy. i personally used to inject estro while on cycle. when i started doing this i imediately saw more stregnth, better pumps. and untimately more gain after the cycle was all said and done. using a low amount of ai's doesnt hinder gains but it reduces a hormone that is helping you make the gains.

 

[Fudge Tunnel]

that is my line you quoted.

prolactin should always be prevented from the start. estro is hlpful to gains, it helps you in the gym. unless your estro is causing a problem it is better left alone. that doesnt mean to let it go through the roof. treating gyno as soon as it starts is verry easy. i personally used to inject estro while on cycle. when i started doing this i imediately saw more stregnth, better pumps. and untimately more gain after the cycle was all said and done. using a low amount of ai's doesnt hinder gains but it reduces a hormone that is helping you make the gains.

I never posted anyones name to this, you volunteered the information.

Yes, I agree you need some estrogen, I'm refering to the fact that it seems to be everyone (people besides you) keep posting this. Bottom line is why are people waiting for a possible problem? Nobody seems to run it through their PCT when estrogen is at it's highest levels as well. I disagree with you that it should be left alone, that's just asking for a problem.

So if you get gyno you would rather try to treat it then insead of trying to prevent it from even happening in the first place? That's like saying I will go out drinking and then drive. IF YOU DON'T DRINK TO BEGIN WITH YOUR CHANCES FOR AN ACCIDENT WILL MOST LIKELY DECREASE DRAMATICALLY. Can you get away with it? Sure, but why risk it?

High levels of estrogen do not help you make gains. I would like to see the study done that proves that statement.

Not trying to get you to agree with me either I respect the fact you posted this in the first place.

 

[joe d]

I never posted anyones name to this, you volunteered the information.

Yes, I agree you need some estrogen, I'm refering to the fact that it seems to be everyone (people besides you) keep posting this. Bottom line is why are people waiting for a possible problem? Nobody seems to run it through their PCT when estrogen is at it's highest levels as well. I disagree with you that it should be left alone, that's just asking for a problem.

So if you get gyno you would rather try to treat it then instaed of trying to prevent it from even happening in the first place? That's like saying I will go out drinking and then drive. IF YOU DON'T DRINK TO BEGIN WITH YOUR CHANCES FOR AN ACCIDENT WILL MOST LIKELY DECREASE DRAMATICALLY.

High levels of estrogen do not help you make gains. I would like to see the study done that proves that statement.

Not trying to get you to agree with me either I respect the fact you posted this in the first place.

relax.

the study is simple. i cycled without adding estro and i cycled with added estro. i cycled with no ai's and i cycled using adex .5mg eod throughout.

the results where the higher my estro was the stronger i was and the better of a w/o i got. the added stregnth and gym performance lead to better gains. yes i also retained water but im not talking about that. but yes elevated estro adds to the health risks.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I haven't been here that long but there is one thing I don't understand and maybe some of you can explain this to me, Why do a lot of people post stuff like this:

you should always have adex, letro, caber or bromo, nolva, Clomid on hand in case you need them

My question is why wait until there is a problem? Why are you not running these everyday? Do you know how your prostate can be effected by not using these?

By not using an A/I while cycling you are playing with fire. Not using caber or pramipexole while running a nand. is asking for a problem. Waiting until there is a problem to try and clear something up it is usually too late.

Please don't say that it hinders your gains either that is a myth.

Thanks in advance.

Because every one of those compounds have potential sides effects. You need to see how you react to things. Too many guys run into problems and then think; "Oh, I'll take a shitload of this other stuff and I'm golden." Doesn't work that way. I do think dex is a good idea while on, but again, most people need WAY less than they think they do.

 

[HAYEZ]

I haven't been here that long but there is one thing I don't understand and maybe some of you can explain this to me, Why do a lot of people post stuff like this:

you should always have adex, letro, caber or bromo, nolva, Clomid on hand in case you need them

My question is why wait until there is a problem? Why are you not running these everyday? Do you know how your prostate can be effected by not using these?

By not using an A/I while cycling you are playing with fire. Not using caber or pramipexole while running a nand. is asking for a problem. Waiting until there is a problem to try and clear something up it is usually too late.

Please don't say that it hinders your gains either that is a myth.

Thanks in advance.

please explain to us the benefits or over using all these meds?

nolva lowers igf
caber causes heart damage
adex and letro can ruin your hormone balance
so lets all abuse these insted of useing while there needed


this coming from the same guy saying to use proviron for pct

 

[Nelson Montana]

please explain to us the benefits or over using all these meds?

nolva lowers igf
caber causes heart damage
adex and letro can ruin your hormone balance
so lets all abuse these insted of useing while there needed


this coming from the same guy saying to use proviron for pct

Exactly. And Proviron was my PCT/anti e of choice before dex and aromasan, which is why I like the ingredients in UNLEASHED so much. It's essentially a natural form of Proviron.

 

[Fudge Tunnel]

please explain to us the benefits or over using all these meds?

nolva lowers igf
caber causes heart damage
adex and letro can ruin your hormone balance
so lets all abuse these insted of useing while there needed


this coming from the same guy saying to use proviron for pct

You're not understanding what I'm saying, did I ever say anything about dose size or frequency? No. Your assuming that I am saying use all of these at a high dose which is not at all what I'm saying nor what was ever stated.

That was a quote from a different member here. Here is an example of what I'm talking about: I am going to run 750mg of test along with 12.5mg of aromasin a day. SOME guys here are typing to "have it on hand just in case". My question is why wait for a problem? Just use it from day one.

Show me the study which states that Proviron is supressive. I already posted one for you in a different thread which shows that you are incorrect.

Cabergoline only effects your heart valves when used in high (2mg+) doses a day. Pubmed has that information in there database.

How is 12.5mg of aromasin going to throw off your entire hormone balance?

 

[Fudge Tunnel]

Because every one of those compounds have potential sides effects. You need to see how you react to things. Too many guys run into problems and then think; "Oh, I'll take a shitload of this other stuff and I'm golden." Doesn't work that way. I do think dex is a good idea while on, but again, most people need WAY less than they think they do.

Not using them if needed will cause side effects.

You don't need a "shitload" of things if you use a low dose (like you stated) from the start and you know what you're doing.

 

[Fudge Tunnel]

Exactly. And Proviron was my PCT/anti e of choice before dex and aromasan, which is why I like the ingredients in UNLEASHED so much. It's essentially a natural form of Proviron.

I have no idea what UNLEASHED is so I can't comment on that.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Well I never had to use an AI for mine, i did use it after tho because i knew my estro was gonna be high.

I think a little is probably good, not none at all, or not too much. Everything in moderation