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A serios question about depression!!

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Bootyshaker

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Listen men,

First off I am not some depressed guy that is walking around all day crying and wondering how much people are gonna miss me if I kill myself.

But seriosly, lately I have been effected by depression. Nothing major but I hate going to work and really don'T feel like doing much at all. I went to the doctors and they prescribed me this medication. For some fucking reason I cannott remember it right now. I know it was not prozac or adavan though.

The problem is that I took the pill and I felt like I was on acid. I was a fucking zombie. The whole time I was feeling this "buzz"., I was trying to figure out how to feel like I did when Iwas not "buzzed. I was really fighing it everytime I took a pill(3 times). Then I quit after a few days.

Have any of you guys tried any anti-d'S that don't make you a zombie. I have never been into this drugs that take over you mind ect. I guess I am a real control freak.

Bootyshaker
 
First of all, why are you so depressed? Are you coming off or something?

I think the drug you're talking about is Zoloft. It's an anti-depressant similar to Prozac. I have'nt taken either but I've heard that Prozac is some pretty good shit! It can really help a preson out that is having tough times.

SAF
 
Many antidepressants can have wierd sides, from headaches to nausia and everything in between. Many are also hard on the liver, so be carefull if on gear.

Most that I am familiar with take 4-8 weeks to notice the antidepression effects, but often times the sides can manifest themselves much sooner. Often times dizziness, nausia etc subside after a few days and if not, get in touch with your doc asap. On a side note inconsistent dosing can wreak havoc with your mind too. I was one them for a few months a year or so ago and I just quite cold turkey, you should taper off, and I was an immotional wreck for a couple weeks.
 
No I am not coming off. I have not cycled for about a year. I am not majorly depressed but I belive it has alot to do with my job. I hate it, am not happy ect. I don't like coming inat all.

The drug they gave me was not zoloft either. It was supposed to be not that strong since I was hesitent to take them in the frist place.

I seriosly felt like I was on acid, it was crazy!!!

Bootyshaker
 
"serzone" perhaps? I have taken that in the past and now that you mention it, the first few days I felt kinda loopy myself.
 
Shaker,

Yea dude anti depressants definetely make you feel weird especially the first week. But if you are really down take em it is better than a bullet in the head anyday. Also are you tired all the time or want to sleep alot?

At your job can you take a leave of absense until you get over this? Work put me in three major depressions I have not had one since I have gotton out of that business. It was Hell.

I'll pray for ya bud. Depressions suck!
 
I used to have an anxiety problem that would cause me to feel the same way. A doc prescribed celexa to me. The first 2-3 days I felt like I was on X, after that I felt normal. It take a while for your body to get used to these drugs, I can only speak for what I used and it worked. Good luck bro, and take it easy.
 
Most antidepressants cause some side effects during the first week or two. Then they disappear. If you are seriously depressed, you will endure them for the long-term benefits.

I'm a bit confused by the effect you're describing. Many of them, especially Prozac and its derivatives, operate rather like speed, so there can be an increase in anxiety during the first week or so. But you describe yourself as a zombie -- which normally would indicate exhaustion, being asleep on your feet.

If the side effects are as debilitating as you say, contact your doctor. He could vary the dose or try a different drug. Finally, understand that most general practitioners know shit about these drugs. You are much better off going to a psychiatrist for prescription and maintenance of antidepressants.
 
Yeah thanks guys, I am going to the doc to try and get adavan. My aunt said they were great. What I will do this time is allow my body to get used to the pills.

What I did before was try the pill one day and feel all screwed up then skipp a few day try it again and skip a few days. I have vacation next month so I will start them then since I don't like coming into work like a zombie.

I don't no why I am depressed, I have more money then I ever have (I am not saying I am rich but just have more then before) I am buying my first house. I no longer have any debts(credit cards,loans, Bookie). So I don't know why!!

Maybe having no more of this debts is making me feel more mature and maybe I like living a little rekless.

It is so weird!!

Bootyshaker
 
musclebrains said:
Most antidepressants cause some side effects during the first week or two. Then they disappear. If you are seriously depressed, you will endure them for the long-term benefits.

I'm a bit confused by the effect you're describing. Many of them, especially Prozac and its derivatives, operate rather like speed, so there can be an increase in anxiety during the first week or so. But you describe yourself as a zombie -- which normally would indicate exhaustion, being asleep on your feet.

If the side effects are as debilitating as you say, contact your doctor. He could vary the dose or try a different drug. Finally, understand that most general practitioners know shit about these drugs. You are much better off going to a psychiatrist for prescription and maintenance of antidepressants.
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When I said zombie. I meant I felt controlled by the drugs. I had bad anxiety on them(I mean bad anxiety). I actually was watching and listening to myself and saying "that is not me"(to myself of course.) when I spoke. It was kinda like an out of body experience or some shit.
 
Bro, maybe your on Paxil... regardless, the reason you're feeling like you're on drugs is because anti-d's regulate your seratonin levels. If your seratonin levels are abnormally low (as in the case of individuals suffering from depression), they will be regulated upwards till they reach a "norm". This is why some people feel like they are on "x" when they are taking anti-d's. Hope this helps and good luck man...
 
anti-D's

I had some pretty bad anxiety, caused by my lifestyle, comming off, changing jobs, buying my first house, and on and on and on. My doc got me on some shit that made me real dizzy, and I discontinued use. Then he put me on celexa, (I wanted xanax !!), and the celexa is working really well for me. I would recommend getting on some benzos if you are really screwed up for right now, and then getting a script through legal channels for something like celexa. Anxiety sucks.

Good luck,

Milosaur
 
Hey Shaker. I know how you feel. I suffer from depression and other mental illnesses, sometimes it gets quite bad. I've been on a few meds, I can remember Zoloft, Paxil, Lithium, Prozac I think, don't remember what else. Lithium causes the metabolism to slow and you gain fat a lot easier, which really doesn't help with depression IMO. Zoloft made me extremely angry and violent (I attacked family members) and I thought I could kill a bear with my bare hands. Don't remember much specific about the other ones but they didn't help much. Everyone is different and everything affects each person differently so you have to find what works for you. Personally, I gave up on medication and sorted my own head out. It took me a few years but I went from being quite literally crazy (hospital-worthy) to normal (at least somewhat) by my self. You can trick your own mind into believing or feeling different things - it's sounds odd but it works. It takes time to understand what works for you but you can really get to know and control your mind far better than you could imagine, it's really pretty cool. Good luck and keep me posted.
 
You see, I don't feel really depressed. But Tired, O fall asleep at work all the time. I don't have as much energy. I am stressed. Just not as happy as I usually am. People used to say that I would always have a smile on my face(always).

Now i would rather go to lunch and break by myself. so I don't have to talk to anybody. So I am not as social as well(at work only)

Bootyshaker
 
Bro! I feel for you .... man go to your local pharmacy and get some injectable b-12 its works as a suppressor on depression try it it work.....

you will have more energy .. feel happy! and less stress its a fact read up on it..... laters bro,
 
Did your Doc try any behavioral therapy, psychoanalysis, or any other option before giving you drugs to control your depression? I would be careful about taking drugs right off the bat if there hasn't been any other diagnoses or therapy attempted. If you have gone through other forms of therapy and/or gotten second opinions and the drug therapy was deemed appropriate, the doc and yourself should be setting behavioral/lifestyle changes and goals that will eventually lead to you tapering off of any drug treatment. The actual numbers of people who need to be on some type of anti-depressant or anti-anxiety drug long term are much smaller than the numbers of patients recieving them. The drug should help you get a handle on your feelings so that you can learn to cope well on your own, without the drug. There are exceptions, of course. I wish you well and as others have said...if you need to talk or have more q's etc. I'm sure all the bro's on this board wil be more than willing to listen. - AD
 
Thanks for all your help. It also screws up your work-outs. Don't feel as motivated ect

But we all know life has it ups and downs and »I am sure a huge amount of the worlds populations would laugh at some of our problems.

Bootyshaker
 
Mario, dont ya need a script for injectable B-12?
 
I was on anti-deps for 3 years... depression motivates me (?!?), I mean depression as a subject fascinates me.... I have done a great deal of research...

I used Effexor - which was relatively side-effect free - but bloody difficult to stop (severe headaches, recurring depression)...

I found relief in the end via Inositol a b-vitamin and a good b-complex... try it.... it works in many people...

Have you been abusing caffeine, ephedrine?

Everyone at some point in their lifetimes goes through what can be diagnosed as clinical depression... some people are destined to go through it many times.... and some people live with depression as a symptom of other illnesses, such as schizophrenia....

PM me if you would like to know more about what worked for me... and I'll send you some good links.....

Try and snap yourself out of it... even if that seems impossible... this is just temporary.

Smile.
 
JOB!!!!!!!!!! (reading a bit further into the thread)

Dude, we have all done jobs that we hate and/or with people we hate sometimes...

Being a man means dealing with it - whilst at the same time looking for something more suitable...

Take some holiday and look for another job... and don't take life so seriously whilst it is going shit.... you must try and laugh it off....

It's up to you to make the necessary changes.......
 
Digital Ronin said:
Bro, maybe your on Paxil... regardless, the reason you're feeling like you're on drugs is because anti-d's regulate your seratonin levels. If your seratonin levels are abnormally low (as in the case of individuals suffering from depression), they will be regulated upwards till they reach a "norm". This is why some people feel like they are on "x" when they are taking anti-d's. Hope this helps and good luck man...
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Totally wrong (no offence). Most anti-depressants exert their effect on serotonin, but this is not the only neurotransmitter involved in depression... There are many hypothesis... As for meds, Welbutrin works on Dopamine... Effexor works on Serotonin, and Norepiniphrine (nor-adrenaline) and dopamine... M.A.O's (Trycyclics) exert there effect on all 3 neurotransmitters (and probably other neurotransmittters)....

Your serotnin levels are not regulated back to a norm with anti-d's... all the anti-d's are doing is stoppping the reuptake of the neurotransmitter into it's synapse (serotonin and other neurotransmitters are manufactured slowly and re-used, hence they are released into the synapse and then 'sucked' back in... hence blocking re-uptake (sucking back in) keeps the happy stuff there for longer.... but in no why do the meds correct a deficiency...)
 
GaryWary said:
I was on anti-deps for 3 years... depression motivates me (?!?), I mean depression as a subject fascinates me.... I have done a great deal of research...

I used Effexor - which was relatively side-effect free - but bloody difficult to stop (severe headaches, recurring depression)...

I found relief in the end via Inositol a b-vitamin and a good b-complex... try it.... it works in many people...

Have you been abusing caffeine, ephedrine?

Everyone at some point in their lifetimes goes through what can be diagnosed as clinical depression... some people are destined to go through it many times.... and some people live with depression as a symptom of other illnesses, such as schizophrenia....

PM me if you would like to know more about what worked for me... and I'll send you some good links.....

Try and snap yourself out of it... even if that seems impossible... this is just temporary.

Smile.
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Gary, that's the drug effexor.. Ifelt so wierd. And yes latey I was using effedrine due to me being so tired all the time. I may us it once evry 2 weeks. I would take 2 pills to keep me awake at work

Bootyshaker
 
GaryWary said:
JOB!!!!!!!!!! (reading a bit further into the thread)

Dude, we have all done jobs that we hate and/or with people we hate sometimes...

Being a man means dealing with it - whilst at the same time looking for something more suitable...

Take some holiday and look for another job... and don't take life so seriously whilst it is going shit.... you must try and laugh it off....

It's up to you to make the necessary changes.......
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You see I don't know if it is the job. I really don't know what to blame it on but my job was the first thing that came to mind!

Bootyshaker
 
GaryWary said:


Totally wrong (no offence). Most anti-depressants exert their effect on serotonin, but this is not the only neurotransmitter involved in depression... There are many hypothesis... As for meds, Welbutrin works on Dopamine... Effexor works on Serotonin, and Norepiniphrine (nor-adrenaline) and dopamine... M.A.O's (Trycyclics) exert there effect on all 3 neurotransmitters (and probably other neurotransmittters)....

Your serotnin levels are not regulated back to a norm with anti-d's... all the anti-d's are doing is stoppping the reuptake of the neurotransmitter into it's synapse (serotonin and other neurotransmitters are manufactured slowly and re-used, hence they are released into the synapse and then 'sucked' back in... hence blocking re-uptake (sucking back in) keeps the happy stuff there for longer.... but in no why do the meds correct a deficiency...)
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No offense taken and thanking you for shedding some light on this... I have several friends who suffer from depression and this was how they always explained it to me...
 
I didn';t even explain it properly... I type fast and my letters disapear in the little box!!!?

M.A.O's prevent the breakdown i.e. matabolisation of the neurotransmitters... As for the reuptake stopppers, there are SSRI's (selctive serotonin reuptake inhibitors) such as Prozac and SNRI (Selctive norepiniphrine reuptake inhibitors), such as cant remember of hand and there are variants such as efexor, an SSNRI (serotonin and nor-epinephrine blah blah)...

BOOTY - ephedrine, by abuse I mean every day for prolonged periods... it stimulates (allows for greater creation of) epinephrine/nor-epinephrine... Abused, ephedrine will tax the natural system of things.. same with caffeine - another drug that exerts it's effect on the CNS - norepinephrine especially...

If you are depressed, get some inositol - take a few grams a day.. and some b-vits.. see if these work for you... next work on the job... i.e. getting a new one.. then remember all the great things in your life...... this is the true way of getting over depression as some chap mentioned above... working on it.... just like you do your muscles.

As for efexor, well it helped me once... but not enough to be worth it... at least in my opinion and experiences...

Rest assured that you will get better.
 
GaryWary said:
I didn';t even explain it properly... I type fast and my letters disapear in the little box!!!?

M.A.O's prevent the breakdown i.e. matabolisation of the neurotransmitters... As for the reuptake stopppers, there are SSRI's (selctive serotonin reuptake inhibitors) such as Prozac and SNRI (Selctive norepiniphrine reuptake inhibitors), such as cant remember of hand and there are variants such as efexor, an SSNRI (serotonin and nor-epinephrine blah blah)...

BOOTY - ephedrine, by abuse I mean every day for prolonged periods... it stimulates (allows for greater creation of) epinephrine/nor-epinephrine... Abused, ephedrine will tax the natural system of things.. same with caffeine - another drug that exerts it's effect on the CNS - norepinephrine especially...

If you are depressed, get some inositol - take a few grams a day.. and some b-vits.. see if these work for you... next work on the job... i.e. getting a new one.. then remember all the great things in your life...... this is the true way of getting over depression as some chap mentioned above... working on it.... just like you do your muscles.

As for efexor, well it helped me once... but not enough to be worth it... at least in my opinion and experiences...

Rest assured that you will get better.
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Thanks,

That was my plan to deal with it myself. But it is hard to deal with it when you don't really know what you are depressed about.

Bootyshaker
 
Dealing with it yourself doesn't mean ruling out anti-d's (please try my recommendation of inositol, and extra b-vits though)... anti-d's work in some people...

dealing with it yourself doesn't mean wait till you are worse and ready to jump off a bridge either (not saying you will get worse)...

Tell your friends, and family... share it....
 
I never even look at this Board, but this caught my eye.

Booty--if you have no energy and feel depressed, get a thyroid test. These are two warning signs for thyroid slow-down, along with feeling cold, thinning hair, weight gain (but not always).
If you've ever cycled T3, you might have screwed your thyroid.

Get your TSh, T3 uptake, tested.
 
keiko said:
I never even look at this Board, but this caught my eye.

Booty--if you have no energy and feel depressed, get a thyroid test. These are two warning signs for thyroid slow-down, along with feeling cold, thinning hair, weight gain (but not always).
If you've ever cycled T3, you might have screwed your thyroid.

Get your TSh, T3 uptake, tested.
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I just had blood tests. They checked my thyroid as well as other things. They said everything was perfect but I was a tiny bit high on cholesterol.

Bootyshaker
 
Your symptoms are exactly what I get when taking anti-depressants. In fact last time I was prescribed them I got so zombified I started to seriously consider suicide. My shrink didn't believe it was the meds causing this, so I told him to fuck off and stopped taking them. I feel alot better now.

depression is not always a "clinical" thing. Through evolution are bodies were given the ability to become depressed as a self-protective survival mechanism. Depression could just be a sign that the situation you are in is something you need to get out of (i.e, relationship, career path, dreams of becoming pro bodybuilder, etc.)
 
depression sucks.... but with hard work and thoughts - good thoughts, you can break the cycle of depression....

a bump...
 
depression is not always a "clinical" thing. Through evolution are bodies were given the ability to become depressed as a self-protective survival mechanism. Depression could just be a sign that the situation you are in is something you need to get out of (i.e, relationship, career path, dreams of becoming pro bodybuilder, etc.)
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Well said. The best solution is to find your source of depression and deal with it. If it is someone at work causing it, approach and deal with that person. If it's your boss and you get fired, you have dealt with it. If it's the job itself, find another job ASAP. Your source of depression is gone either way. Remember, you may have to take a cut in pay but so what, at least you will have your sanity.
 
Basically, there are two types of depression. The most common kind is reactive, meaning its caused by your life circumstances -- a loss of some sort, typically. The other kind, endogenous, has no discernible external cause and is thought to be biochemical in origin. Whereas the first type tends to diminish with an improvement in life circumstances, the second type does not necessarily improve because of external changes.

Thus, the latter type typically recommends itself to medication. The former type will respond to medication too but doesn't usually require as long a period of treatment.

I am presuming that since the original poster did not mention an alteration in his circumstances and reported that this kind of behavior is uncharacterisitc, he is probably suffering a mild endogenous depression. It is important to realize that such a depression can get worse. I think he made the right decision to seek help now. However, besides pharmaceuticals, I would look into some therapy.

When the right antidepressant med is prescribed, it can make a huge difference in a person's life. I suspect, by the way that you have depression connected with an anxiety disorder.
 
musclebrains said:
Basically, there are two types of depression. The most common kind is reactive, meaning its caused by your life circumstances -- a loss of some sort, typically. The other kind, endogenous, has no discernible external cause and is thought to be biochemical in origin. Whereas the first type tends to diminish with an improvement in life circumstances, the second type does not necessarily improve because of external changes.

Thus, the latter type typically recommends itself to medication. The former type will respond to medication too but doesn't usually require as long a period of treatment.

I am presuming that since the original poster did not mention an alteration in his circumstances and reported that this kind of behavior is uncharacterisitc, he is probably suffering a mild endogenous depression. It is important to realize that such a depression can get worse. I think he made the right decision to seek help now. However, besides pharmaceuticals, I would look into some therapy.

When the right antidepressant med is prescribed, it can make a huge difference in a person's life. I suspect, by the way that you have depression connected with an anxiety disorder.
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Kind of right and kind of wrong... sometimes it can be a combination of any of the above.. i.e. life circumstances cause a biochemical result. In fact, all depression results in a biochemical result... it may start with a crap job situation or death of a loved one - but the net result will be biochemical....

anyway, don't get me started.

I recommend inositol. Its fucking brilliant.

Dr Gary Lawson BEng Hons (aint I the clever one)

I think that this thread is exhausted. Suffice to say - booty you will get better.
 
Two things bro. First avoid the ATIVAN. Its great for anxiety but worse for depression. The bezodiazapams are depressants. Second, have your blood sugar checked. A friend had many of the same symptoms you described and turned out he had non-insulin dependant
diabetes. Make some changes. New challenges are great for the mood. Job stress really sucks. If you can become self employed, thats the way to go!
 
Kind of right and kind of wrong... sometimes it can be a combination of any of the above.. i.e. life circumstances cause a biochemical result. In fact, all depression results in a biochemical result... it may start with a crap job situation or death of a loved one - but the net result will be biochemical....
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Um, isn't that what I effectively said when I mentioned that a drug can be effective for a situational depression? It assumes a chemical change.

Suffice to say - booty you will get better.
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Most depressions do spontaneously lift, particularly in people who don't have habitual experience with them. Some, however, only grow worse. I would be mindful, Booty. As both a clinician and someone who's dealt personally with depression, I know it can kick your butt.
 
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