Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Ok all you older iron guys - I have a semi "off topic" semi "on topic" question... How did people find out about gear and doses and anti-e's and all the stuff that is on the 'net now before the internet was around? I mean there is SO much info on sites like this, that I can't believe it was just "word of mouth"... I mean how would you know who to trust? Did doctors deal with these issues? Where are they now? I'm very curious how lifters and body-builders found out about this stuff pre-net.
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Probably the same way so many guys are still totally in the dark these days...getting cycle info from their sources, friends, anyone who had done anything before them. You would not believe how stupid some people are today, and how many do not even have net access at all, still...
ONE SMART COOKIE
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I got my info from freinds sources and trial and error and from
the bible of the day dan duchains underground steroid handbook
oohh those were the days.
the bible of the day dan duchains underground steroid handbook
oohh those were the days.
60's: Way back when they were legal they were accesable only to those in the "in crowd." They were approached with caution.
70's: Still legal and starting to spread and the envelope started to be pushed.
80': USH changed everything. Roid use became a science. If you were intersted in scoring, you had to join a hardcore gym, be accepted, then had to ask around who was dealing. Someone always was.
90's: With the net, a kid can learn more in 5 minutes what took guys months to research. But that's a double edged sword. There is not only tons of bad information, the dangers have been overly downplayed. When you can read about thousands of people speaking freely (and exagerating) about mega dosing it starts to sound like the norm. The respect and yes, the FEAR of steroids is almost a non-issue. USH recomendations are scoffed at.
2000's: Dan is gone. Incidences of insulin shock, comas and kidney failure from diuretics are rampant in the pro ranks. Since I've joined this board just a few months ago I've heard of several people under the age of 30 who have died.
The price of "progress".
P.S. The old timers who respected the drugs are still going strong.
70's: Still legal and starting to spread and the envelope started to be pushed.
80': USH changed everything. Roid use became a science. If you were intersted in scoring, you had to join a hardcore gym, be accepted, then had to ask around who was dealing. Someone always was.
90's: With the net, a kid can learn more in 5 minutes what took guys months to research. But that's a double edged sword. There is not only tons of bad information, the dangers have been overly downplayed. When you can read about thousands of people speaking freely (and exagerating) about mega dosing it starts to sound like the norm. The respect and yes, the FEAR of steroids is almost a non-issue. USH recomendations are scoffed at.
2000's: Dan is gone. Incidences of insulin shock, comas and kidney failure from diuretics are rampant in the pro ranks. Since I've joined this board just a few months ago I've heard of several people under the age of 30 who have died.
The price of "progress".
P.S. The old timers who respected the drugs are still going strong.
That was an awesome post. You're right too, people don't seem to give even testosterone the repspect and level of caution that it absolutely requires. And everyone is in a hurry to try exotic shit like dnp and hgh before they even built a strong and solid foundation naturally.
SofaGeorge
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The history of AAS is actually a lot simpler:
In the 1960s, amongst the ranks of American pros information was extremely scarce... and there was really only myth and rumor to go on for developing cycles and doses; however, European pros and pro athletes were benefiting greatly from the first scientific studies (if you can call them that) on the best programs for athletes.
In the 1970s defection of some Soviet and East German coaches gave Olympic athletes their first practical knowledge. Byt this time European bodybuilders like Arnold and Franco started coming over to train in the US. They brought with them the first limited knowledge of scientific/experienced AAS use. Rumor and myth still ruled.
In the mid-1980s Dan Duchaine changed it all with the publication of the first UNDERGROUND STEROID HANDBOOK. It was a pretty skimpy document... but absolutely the first complied information about creating a practical steroid cycle. At this same time a doctor in Malibu started publishing a series of articles about his steriod cycle experiments and listing his cycles and doses that achieved the best practical results. His name is lost to me... but he was really the first medical authority addressing AAS and how to create a cycle in the popular press. Dan Duchaine quoted him for years and years for much of his research. (Much of what this doctor published is still gospel today.)
In the late '80s THE UNDERGROUND STEROID HANDBOOK II came out. This was the first bible of AAS. It was a much better compilation of AAS than the first book. It listed the best section of what doese to take and for how long. It was the first real road map that EVERYONE used. (They used to keep a dog-eared copy under the desk at Gold's Venice. You could go to the front desk as a skinny kid... and a bunch of pros and vets would hang out with you as you skimmed through it... advise you on what cycle would be best... then teh guy behind the desk would even arrange to have your juice delivered to your house. A block of 25 sealed amps of Steris Deca sold for $80 back then. Redijects of Sustanon were something like $2.50.)
In the early '90s the WORLD ANABOLIC REVIEW came out. It was the first really good book on AAS... and believe it or not MUSCLE MEDIA 2000 was a groundbreaking source of great info on AAS back then. (This is why many vets revere the first three years of MM2k. It was a tragedy watching such a great mag degrade into trash.)
I think the final step in AAS knowledge is the emergence of boards like EF. I've gotten more info here than in 20 years of cycling.
In the 1960s, amongst the ranks of American pros information was extremely scarce... and there was really only myth and rumor to go on for developing cycles and doses; however, European pros and pro athletes were benefiting greatly from the first scientific studies (if you can call them that) on the best programs for athletes.
In the 1970s defection of some Soviet and East German coaches gave Olympic athletes their first practical knowledge. Byt this time European bodybuilders like Arnold and Franco started coming over to train in the US. They brought with them the first limited knowledge of scientific/experienced AAS use. Rumor and myth still ruled.
In the mid-1980s Dan Duchaine changed it all with the publication of the first UNDERGROUND STEROID HANDBOOK. It was a pretty skimpy document... but absolutely the first complied information about creating a practical steroid cycle. At this same time a doctor in Malibu started publishing a series of articles about his steriod cycle experiments and listing his cycles and doses that achieved the best practical results. His name is lost to me... but he was really the first medical authority addressing AAS and how to create a cycle in the popular press. Dan Duchaine quoted him for years and years for much of his research. (Much of what this doctor published is still gospel today.)
In the late '80s THE UNDERGROUND STEROID HANDBOOK II came out. This was the first bible of AAS. It was a much better compilation of AAS than the first book. It listed the best section of what doese to take and for how long. It was the first real road map that EVERYONE used. (They used to keep a dog-eared copy under the desk at Gold's Venice. You could go to the front desk as a skinny kid... and a bunch of pros and vets would hang out with you as you skimmed through it... advise you on what cycle would be best... then teh guy behind the desk would even arrange to have your juice delivered to your house. A block of 25 sealed amps of Steris Deca sold for $80 back then. Redijects of Sustanon were something like $2.50.)
In the early '90s the WORLD ANABOLIC REVIEW came out. It was the first really good book on AAS... and believe it or not MUSCLE MEDIA 2000 was a groundbreaking source of great info on AAS back then. (This is why many vets revere the first three years of MM2k. It was a tragedy watching such a great mag degrade into trash.)
I think the final step in AAS knowledge is the emergence of boards like EF. I've gotten more info here than in 20 years of cycling.
mrdraco
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I agree that it's a double-edged sword. In the eighties I was weightlifting in Wyoming, well out of the in-crowd. Our information was limited and sometimes wrong. I was overtraining and not eating properly, because I didn't know any different. Of course, my progress plateaued. We also thought steroids were wrong and only being used by top pros or "cheaters".
Now much more information is available to everyone: diet, training, supplementation and steroids. The good news is that now people can get accurate information on drug side effects, proper stacking and post-cycle recovery.
In the old days you would have to trust that the guys in the gym were giving you accurate advice.
The bad news is that boards are recommending ridiculously high dosages for early cycles. They are downplaying the dangers of unsupervised use of prescription medications including steroids and many anti-estrogens. Too many inexperienced lifters are starting steroid use without a good base of training. Many don't even do good research on the boards for the compounds they use.
Use the SEARCH function people.
Now much more information is available to everyone: diet, training, supplementation and steroids. The good news is that now people can get accurate information on drug side effects, proper stacking and post-cycle recovery.
In the old days you would have to trust that the guys in the gym were giving you accurate advice.The bad news is that boards are recommending ridiculously high dosages for early cycles. They are downplaying the dangers of unsupervised use of prescription medications including steroids and many anti-estrogens. Too many inexperienced lifters are starting steroid use without a good base of training. Many don't even do good research on the boards for the compounds they use.
Use the SEARCH function people.Yeah I completely agree with what your saying. I don't think anyone has any business touching gear until they have atleast 5 years of heavy training under their belt. I just cannot understand why someone would want to touch anything after only training for like 6 months or so, its just so retarded. If you need juice just to build up a good foundation, how can you ever get really big?
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