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a cutter's guide to.... cutting

shortstack

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It’s about time we had a decent full length post on cutting…

Let’s get a few things straight…
1. All of the insights I’m about to provide are not person-specific. What that means is that it is a general guideline, not a bible.
2. I truly do believe that bodybuilding is 80% diet. You can lift your ass off daily, and still look horrible if you aren’t eating right.
3. You are what you eat. It’s just that simple.

The BASICS-
1.Postworkout Nutrition- I’m a firm believer that PWO nutrition is hands down the most important aspect of dieting. It is within the 15 minutes after a workout that your body is in dire need of nutrients. It is a completely anabolic state, and what you take in can be optimized to ensure maximum results. A general rule of thumb is 40-60 grams whey protein, and double the amount of whey in carbohydrates (50% dextrose/50% maltodextrin).

2. Carbs- You are **** right, carbs. In a strict cutting diet the majority of your carbs should come in the form of PWO nutrition, and the remainder in breakfast. Fibrous veggies are a staple, but keep in mind that they don’t count towards intake, as they have negligible impacts on blood sugar levels. (Exceptions: Carrots, Peas) All high glycemic carbs outside of PWO should be avoided. The best sources of low GI carbs can be found in oatmeal and brown rice, as well as yams.

3. Protein- You need tons. 1.5-2.0 grams per pound of lean bodyweight is a good general rule of thumb. You should take in a good portion of your protein in the source of real meals, avoid intaking too many shakes, as real food comes to a better benefit. The list foods with high protein bioavailability is extensive, and I will only cover a few, (Egg whites, Lean steak, Chicken breast, the list goes on forever….).

4. Fats- Guess what? You need fat to lose fat. We are talking about the granddaddy of fats, the EFA (Essential Fatty Acid). Good sources of fat are ( Flax Oil, Nuts, Salmon, Olive Oil).

5. The separation of Carbs and Fats- This is a hotly debated issue, but again, in my opinion, an important aspect nonetheless. Remember that it is often when you eat items and with what you eat them that is more important than what you are eating. A mouthful, I know, but stay with me. Remember that when you take in certain carbs, you can spike your insulin levels. If you are taking in fats when your insulin has been spiked, you are allowing the basic laws of physiology to act out, and you allow for a higher propensity for fat storage. Separation is key. The sample diet will give a good example of how to separate them.




6. Supplements-

Glutamine: Helps prevent catabolism when cutting. Best used in dosages of 10grams daily, 5 grams before cardio, 5 grams at another interval, but not after workout as it fights for absorption with the glutamine peptides in whey.
ALA/R-ALA- Gets my supplement of the day award. R-ALA is effective in lowering the spike of insulin when certain carbs are consumed. I could give you a dissertation on the stereoentisomeric properties of the R, but all you need to know is that it has been found to shuttle carbohydrates away from adipose and into myocytes. Translation: Away from fat cells, into muscle cells. It’s a supplement, however, not a miracle worker. It’s not a crutch, and won’t do anything about fat intake. ALA and R-ALA can also aid in the expedition of the ketogenic state. Remember that if you buy R-ALA that you supplement it with Biotin. Glucorell-R is prepackaged with it. If you can afford it, go for it. As far as dosage, with the R, you are looking at 1-2 pills of Glucorell R for each 30-40grams of carb intake.
Protein and Carb Shakes: I’m not going to cover protein, because even if you can’t afford it, you should sell a kidney to get some. Carb drinks are rather convenient, and companies offer pre mixed dosages, (CarboHit, Glycoload, UltraFuel). Dextrose and Maltodextrin can be bought from most supplement stores or online.

www.allsportsnutition.com

7. Cheating- Cheating is essential. Why? Remember, the body runs on homeostasis, it likes to keep balance. After eating so well after a week, your body begins to adjust, and fat loss over time will not be as rapid. The other extremely important aspect is mental sanity. So many diets crash and fail because people don’t give themselves a chance to breath. Remember, cheating is not an opportunity for you to pillage the entire mall food court. Shoot for a cheat meal, not an all out binge. A fast food value meal can be 2,000 calories. Eat that 3 times on one day, and you’ve consumed 6,000 calories. And that’s not good in any case.

8. Cardio- Cardio and cutting usually go hand in hand. I won't go into specifics about length, other than cardio shouldn't be excessive. 45 minutes to one hour daily should be sufficient, and should be performed on an empty stomach.




Sample Diet:
Note: This is a sample diet for a 200 pound gentleman who is wishing to cut. We can assume his BF to be around 15%. This diet will NOT work for you if those criteria don’t apply to you; however it is easy to customize the below diet to take in account your own statistics. It is the principles that are applicable.. I am not going to post the total amount of calories, only the carb, protein and fat macros for the whole day.


Meal 1:
Lean Protein, 1/2 cup oatmeal

Meal 2:
Protein shake/Lean Protein (2 tbsp flax

Meal 3:
Veggies, Lean Protein

Workout

Meal 4:
PWO Nutrition

Meal 5:
Veggies, Lean Protein, 1/2 cup rice or oatmeal.

Meal 6:
Shake with Flax

That turns into approximately 300 grams protein, 130 grams Carbs, and 50 grams of fat.

*Reminder: This is a PRIMER. It’s not mean to be comprehensive.





Here comes the fun part: Question and Answer….

Q: What about dairy?
A: If you don’t mind a soft look, fat free cottage cheese is an excellent caseinate source, but as for milks- way too much processed sugar. NO.

Q: Should I do a keto diet?
A: Unless you are morbidly obese, or would like to drag your wilted muscles behind you, stay away from keto. Again, that’s my opinion.
Q: What about cycling carb intake?
A: Obviously on non workout days you will be without a shake, so you will be auto-cycling. It works well that way.

Q: Is sodium an issue?
A: Outside of the bloating issue, or if you have high cholesterol, no.

Q. How do I make my meals not taste like cardboard?
A. Be creative. Mix in some sugar free jam or splenda in your oats, some hot sauce or soy sauce on your meats, or pick up some sugar free ketchup.

Q. I don’t like old fashioned oats. Can I eat the pre mixed oats with fruit?
A. No. Be a man. Those mixes have ridiculous amounts of sugar.

Q. What about fruit?
A: Fruit replenishes glycogen stores in the liver, and in my opinion, is not to be a staple of a strict cutting diet, with a few exceptions.

Q: Can I eat steak while cutting?
A: Definitely. Make sure it’s a leaner cut.
 
I agree with you on mostly anything, except: when you just finish working out, your body is in a very, very catabolic state, not anabolic.
 
LOL bro, I thought you meant like when I get upset with myself for being a small bitch and cut my thighs where no one can see!!! :p
 
ohashi said:
I agree with you on mostly anything, except: when you just finish working out, your body is in a very, very catabolic state, not anabolic.

Catabolic IF and only if it doesn't get those nutrients at the right time. I agree with you on the catabolism as it will start yanking protein stores from some muscles to regenerate others, and having a low BGL from exercise-induced glycogen depletion is NO fun.

As with most case,s I could be wrong here. If so--great! Call me on it. I'd be interested to learn new ideas, especially when it comes to diet, cutting, and catabolism.

-e
 
Lifting weights is a form of stress. All forms of stress, including lifting, produce catabolic hormones, such as cortisol, and suppress anabolic ones, such as testosterone and insulin. So, during most of your workout and after you finish it (until you eat and raise your insulin levels, which will clear the cortisol out of your blood), you are catabolic.
 
shortstack... YGM bro.

There seems to be some debate as to the effectiveness of glutamine supplementation. Based on the studies I've read Im still very undecided. Maybe it is effective... maybe it isnt, but so far I havent seen anything to make me want to add it to my regimine.
 
Although PW you are in a catabolic state I think shortstack means that is the best time to kickstart anabolism. Whenyou are in such a highly catabolic start your anabolic potential is peaking.

The bit about no glutamine in PW-shake, how does it interfere with glutamine peptides in whey? What is the difference between L-glutamine and glutamine peptides?

Can ALA be added to PW-shakes?

Whats the score with AAS and dieting? Are they wasted when calorie count is reduced? Or only help you protect muscle? Is it best to stick to ECA and Clen etc?
 
good post bro.
Bionic
 
Forgot to ask, with PWO nutrition lots of shakes mix dextrose and maltodextrin. The latter, though technically a complexcarb has a high GI and causes an insulin spike like a simple.

Does that mean using only dextrose is ok? Why are people keen to add malto? Is it just a matter of sweetness, too much dextrose being too sweet for some peoples tastes so the blander malto is mixed in?
 
shortstack said:
I truly do believe that bodybuilding is 80% diet. You can lift your ass off daily, and still look horrible if you aren’t eating right.

Very true. When you start to figure this out the real transformation will begin. Good post.
 
here are some thoughts of mine on cutting

overall caloric intake is the most important factor when cutting

pre workout nutrition is very important. if you dont have the energy to workout whats the point.

carbs are not required for post workout shakes. i get my best results with carbs preworkout but just whey post workout although some people cant live without it

when cutting most people eat way to much protein and not enough low gi carbs

you need to spread your protein intake out throughout the day.
 
ohashi said:
Lifting weights is a form of stress. All forms of stress, including lifting, produce catabolic hormones, such as cortisol, and suppress anabolic ones, such as testosterone and insulin. So, during most of your workout and after you finish it (until you eat and raise your insulin levels, which will clear the cortisol out of your blood), you are catabolic.

That's right. The only way to reverse the catabolism is by consuming carbs and protein right after. If you don't eat anything you'll stay in a catabolic state until you do. One way around this is to consume gatorade or another sports drink while you train. This will only work if you're bulking though.
 
great post!!! very informative..im 215lbs 19% BF, and am cutting to at least 15% but i find it that i get these mean hunger pains..im eating about 2 1/2 hours apart..is this normal? Say you workout in the evening...people have said not to consume carbs past 6 or so...does this apply when you work out at 8:30?? Would just a PWO shake be ok?
 
swordfish151 said:
great post!!! very informative..im 215lbs 19% BF, and am cutting to at least 15% but i find it that i get these mean hunger pains..im eating about 2 1/2 hours apart..is this normal? Say you workout in the evening...people have said not to consume carbs past 6 or so...does this apply when you work out at 8:30?? Would just a PWO shake be ok?

For your situation, a PWO shake is fine and in fact absolutely necessary after training. It doesn't matter what time of day it is. BTW, I'd cut down to 8-10%. 15% is still too fat.
 
Makavelli said:
For your situation, a PWO shake is fine and in fact absolutely necessary after training. It doesn't matter what time of day it is. BTW, I'd cut down to 8-10%. 15% is still too fat.

15% is still to fat..lol..yeah thanks for the ego boost! lol..kidding..yeah your right..just taking baby steps..thats my first goal you know.!
 
Great post shortstack, I love getting the low down on why the things we do work. You posts are always a good read. A note for some of the less experienced which builds on this is in response to the elaborate "cutting" cycles we constantly see posted. Bottomline is this:

above diet + gear (take your pick) = good cutting cycle
high carb/prot + gear = good bulking cycle

Main point is that the diet will determine the cutting effectiveness of the cycle. The gear will help maintain the muscle and avoid wasting. Some gear will hold less water or enhance vascularity, but the same cycle one might use to create a solid anabolic environment for grwoth will facilitate cutting with the adjustment being made to ones diet and possibly cardio.
 
swordfish151 said:
15% is still to fat..lol..yeah thanks for the ego boost! lol..kidding..yeah your right..just taking baby steps..thats my first goal you know.!

That's cool bro. You gotta start somewhere.
 
Judo Tom said:
here are some thoughts of mine on cutting

overall caloric intake is the most important factor when cutting

pre workout nutrition is very important. if you dont have the energy to workout whats the point.

carbs are not required for post workout shakes. i get my best results with carbs preworkout but just whey post workout although some people cant live without it

when cutting most people eat way to much protein and not enough low gi carbs

you need to spread your protein intake out throughout the day.



I TOTALLY agree. Total calories is the most important factor. Too much protein and too little carbs is NOT the answer. Carbs are SO damn important in bodybuilding. Clean carbs, not sugary stuff.
 
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