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7 Weeks to a Shredded ME!...

SgtSlaughter

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Ok... this is the FIRST time cutting/dieting EVER. I've never really cared to do it. But since I bulked the right way for the first time the past months (september I think i started upping everything) I've decided to stop a little short so I look decent on a cruise the end of Feb.

7 Weeks Left... Started cutting calories the end of last week... it SUCKS, usually I didn't care what I ate as long as I ate a LOT, dirty bulk indeed. I don't nessesarily have too much input on what is bought for food... full time student, full time work as well though, could go on forever.. anyway...

It's kind of a trial by fire for me... it's not going to make or break me, but i'm sticking to it and going to see what I can do in 7 weeks for this trip without being tooooooo unhealthy about it.

OH another HUGE issue/concern is Maintaining muscle! Tips appreciated with K of course ;)

Any intellegent tips from some good bros and broetts would be awesome!!

Thanks.

- SGT
 
Wrote this guide a month ago and have been passig it on to ppl=




If energy out is bigger then energy in the result is fatloss...
The more muscle you have the faster your metabolism...

First find out your needed macro nutrients:

http://michaelandkendra.com/BMRCALC/bmrcalc.htm

Once you have found out how much nutrition you actually need read on.



Eating

Combine 6 meals into your daily eating plan, these 6 meals should be spaced out and eaten every 2 1/2- 3 hours that you are awake. Each meal should consist of a protein, carbohydrates and essential fatty acids. Follow this rule for every meal EXCEPT for your last meal as you don't need carbs and efa's while sleeping.
When it comes to carbohydrates there is another simple rule:

Wake up - 3pm: Starchy and complex carbs
3pm - Sleep: Fibrous carbs

Simply because when you wake up you need energy! Your body feels deprived while sleeping you may not feel it but its a fact 6-8 hours with out sleeping can do this. So eat the starchy and complex carbs until 3pm after this time have the Fibrous carbs so that you are not taking in too much energy and not using it.


What's good?

Protein
-tuna
-salmon
-chicken breast
-egg whites
-lean beef
-turkey breast

Carbohydrates
Starchy and complex
-yams
-sweet potato
-potato
-brown rice
-oats
-wheat or whole grains

Fibrous
-Green vegetables

Note: Stay away from refined carbs exp. White bread

Essential fatty acids

-Flax seed oil
-Fish oil
-avacado
-Salmon
-nuts
-seeds

Some info needed to know on eating

Most people in the know how will often say "The food that goes into your mouth is worth 80% of your whole dieting plan" Basically meaning the food you eat is the main reason for you losing or putting on fat... the other 20% is cardio and lifting.
It is essential that you have carbs with your protein as the carbs raise an insulin spike helping you digest the protein and the efa will help with testosrone production which is essential in building muscle.
Drink A LOT of water a day... 8+ cups a day the more the better, your body needs the water to help clean your system. Your body will also be able to detect and flush out water when its not needed. Try drinking cold water, drinking ice cold water through the day makes your body use energy to heat it up before it can be digested, 200 calories are achievable.
Carbs and Fats are what gives you energy in the gym to lift weights or to run a mile. Protein it self cannot fuel you.. 1g of protein per pound of body weight is needed to help in muscle repairs and management. So dont skimp on the protein it's essential.

Cycling

Your body is smart, it can detect when you are starving it... so obviously starving your body is the wrong way to go in losing weight, because as soon as your body detects its in starvation mode it will cling on to all the energy it has and in result your metabolism will be much slower... HOWEVER something you can do is cycling it..

This is when you eat a lower amount of calories for a few days and then a slighly higher amount before the body detects you are skimping on calories.

Exp..
Say your daily needed calories where: 2000

You would cycle like this:

Monday: 1700
Tuesday: 1700
Wednesday: 1700
Thursday: 2200
Friday: 1700
Saturday: 1700
Sunday: 2100

You have just cycled off 1200 calories (3500 calories in a pound)

Now tracking calories might be a pain in the ass, but is needed. Track them or stack them!

1g of fat: 9 calories

1g of carbs: 4 calories

1g of protein: 4 calories

1g of alcohol: 7 calories

Heres a useful link in helping you track calories:

http://www.calorieking.com/foods/


Workout and eating

When working out there is a way to make the results come in better.

Straight after your workout your muscles are burning and craving protein with that said slam down an Protein shake(can be considered as part of your 6 meals)... make sure it is a whey protein ISOLATE type as it's fast absorbing.. mix it with water for faster absorption as milk has casein in it which is digested slower.
1 hour after your post workout shake have a solid meal.

Last points on eating:
The only way YOU will stay on your diet is by making it enjoyable don't be worried about not following it point by point, experiment a bit, try new things... and weight your self weekly if improvements are showing: continue if not just try something new.. not everyone is the same, some things will work for you but some things won't work for an other..
Have a cheat meal once a week... keep it in moderation don't have a MASSIVE meal but have a portioned meal..

Remember keep the eating clean, simple and enjoyable...






Cardio

A simple rule to follow the more energy you burn up the more fat you will lose.

220 minus your age will equal your maximum heart rate.

If you are dramatically overweight you may not be able to do as much cardio as the lighter fellow.. start of slow and try to build up.

Try building up to exercising for 45 minutes @ 70-85% of your max hr

Recommended cardio:

-running
-Elliptical (no joint impact)
-cycling
-rowing
-skipping rope
-power walking

basically anything that will raise your hr and get you into a sweat is good cardio...

Since this is a simple way of losing weight thread i will not go into HIIT training.



Training

Eveyone is diferent so won't be going into detail about weight training..
Here are some links to solid weight routines

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbin...orkoutPrograms



End words:
Putting on weight was a slow process so it would be delusional thinking that losing weight would be a faster one... Stay motivated and strong and you will lose the weight and gain a solid body.
Good luck with it...
 
Wow. Great bro. Thanks for the info. This will really help for me to cut up this upcoming summer.
 
Well, I'll follow the Hulk's guide with my own insignificant point:

If your program is in tune, then an important part of maintaining mass is to get enough rest. Also a good anti-oxident can help, especially this time of year.
 
Gross Loss as of last week: 12.5 lbs.

The mirror says the loss is mostly fat and I assume some water.

Strength is quite stable... was able to rep out 65's (db's) for a last, torturous set for my chest routine.

On Track! Today I gave in and started doing cardio this morning... did HIIT for about 1.5 miles total (treadmill for 1mile and went to eliptical for shits and giggles... then down the the bike to cool down).
 
Cardio in the morning was the quickest way I lost muscle mass imaginable...never again!

Let's see some pics?
 
That's why I was hesitant to!! ...damnit. Maybe I will continue too.. but only for keeping my heart healthy and for stamina during lifting sessions?

It's not like I'm doing cardio for long periods of time. How much cardio were you doing?

Pics... well as you can see from the avi, I have a shitty camera phone. I'll borrow a digi sometime and post. I have a few more camera photos on my pc at the homefront... I think I posted them, and ppl were like wtf they're tiny, lol... so I'll post them here again later.

My Goal is to be pretty ripped come March/April (preliminary goal... be decent by the end of Feb. for a tropical vacation).
 
you need to bulk up a little bro.....

why would you even bother with pics when wearing a shirt? cmon.....anyone looks decentin a tank!
 
I know. No way in hell am I going to continue bulking because I really do not have the means right now of funding it with quality food (I was not doing it the right way at all, mostly shitty processed bread for more calories :worried: ) and alot was fat as a result, and as well as lasidazical training from lack of focus... due to MANY outside sources, but that doesn't matter.

I've got my focus back and hittin' it hard and heavy.

So I'm going to get rid of this little gut I'm accumulated and take it from there. I'm going on vacation the end of Feb. bro... I can't go with an all out bulking dirty ugly ass gut like I had, lol... no way. I have plenty of time to put on more quality mass.

And well after coming here to EF I've realized a lot of ideas and ways to go about certain training and diet principals were completly wrong. I feel like a total newb to everything... I trained consistantly and ate the wrong way for about 5 years. All in all... at least I have a decent base I guess and a good frame.
 
sgtslaughter said:
I know. No way in hell am I going to continue bulking because I really do not have the means right now of funding it with quality food (I was not doing it the right way at all, mostly shitty processed bread for more calories :worried: ) and alot was fat as a result, and as well as lasidazical training from lack of focus... due to MANY outside sources, but that doesn't matter.

I've got my focus back and hittin' it hard and heavy.

So I'm going to get rid of this little gut I'm accumulated and take it from there. I'm going on vacation the end of Feb. bro... I can't go with an all out bulking dirty ugly ass gut like I had, lol... no way. I have plenty of time to put on more quality mass.

And well after coming here to EF I've realized a lot of ideas and ways to go about certain training and diet principals were completly wrong. I feel like a total newb to everything... I trained consistantly and ate the wrong way for about 5 years. All in all... at least I have a decent base I guess and a good frame.

Take some time off. When you are ready financially and mentally, get back into the dieting game. Drop down to about 10-12% bodyfat, then consider bulking-up.

good luck with your vacation :)
 
I can't take time off... I'd go nuts. Lifting is my therapy :)

I get plenty of sleep (8-9 hours/day, 10-12 hours/day on weekends) and take 2 days off per week. And this is the first time I've been consistantly lifting for awhile, cuz during my bulking time... I stuck to compound exercises, heavy, low reps.. about 3-4 days / week.

Jumped back on the HST train for this.

I'm ready for dieting, actually need to go buy a boat load of chicken today to incorporate that daily (not ready for buying a boat load of steak for bulking though, lol).

Yeah that's what I'm going for now (get to <=10%ish)... just taking my time to figure out my body more during this dieting, not too much pressure on myself because of other interests I'm pursuing. Making sure I eat my meals and train, and I'll see how long it takes me to get where I want to be "cutting" wise.

Thanks for the Karma and vaca wishes Mister X! I'll send some back to ya... if I can :)
 
Off to the store I go!! I'll be back with 2,000 grams of protein 1,500 grams of fat, 1,000 grams of carbos... :) buying in bulk, wish me Luck! Ok, none needed... I will update as nessesary.

On the list so far:
Chicken
Fish
Rolled Oats
ANPB (a pallate load full)
some greens(lettuce, carrots... veggies of all colors, I think I'll have to buy amounts I need for only a few days at a time so they don't go bad?)

* and roaming about the store to determine any other nessesary goods:coffee:
 
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Whoa... I have cooking cut out for me tonight, and packing and freezing... lol. sweet.

They (Sam's Club) didn't have ANPB withOut Salt, so I will go to the local Organic for that as well as more Oats... but I won't need more of that til the weekend most likely.

Oh, I found some natty brown rice.

They didn't have yams that looked "healthy" so I will add them to my local grocery list.
 
Down another 2.0 lbs since I checked mid-end last week.

Same scale; Same time... get out of bed in the morning, secrete bodily liquid and hop on the scale.

- Damn, I'm going to be a skinny bastard :( at least I have a decent size back and shoulder width (delt to delt I think is 51 inchs last I checked, natural waist line above belly button is 33 inches but I wear 30 inch pants[?])

If I get things done that I need to do this evening, I WILL have time to take digi photos.
 
LMAO, you do crack me up Cyrex!

Exactly! Keep eating those damned sunflower seeds in the tubeular container.... toooo much sodium, I'm tellin' ya!
 
sgtslaughter said:
LMAO, you do crack me up Cyrex!

Exactly! Keep eating those damned sunflower seeds in the tubeular container.... toooo much sodium, I'm tellin' ya!


Yeah I'm down to only half a package 2 days a week if that, but yet the sodium is excessive :-).


WHERE ARE THE PICS?
 
screw work, just take your shirt off. (warn people about the extra nipples) and get a co-worker to take the pics.
 
lol
Not sure what is up with me and the extra nipples...

I read last week that 1 out of 50 people have at least 1 extra undeveloped nipple someone along the line between their armpit and their inner thigh . . .

Why did I read that? Cause one of the doctors on ER had 2 extra nipples right below his normal nipples LOL

then since you had your shirt on . . .

anyways I'm gonna drop it now :-)


BTW WTG so far.
 
weirdo, lol

O.....K
I will guarantee that I only have 2 "normally" placed nips.

Gotcha... thanks much appreciated!
 
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sgtslaughter said:
thanks.... long way to go though.

WTG to you with cutting back on the sunflower seeds! :p

hehe. I'm on a minor cutting diet at the moment. just reduced some volume of 2 meals a day and so far I've dropped about 8 lbs of fat in the last 2.5 weeks :-)
I got my red lightsabre all ready for when i'm ready to use it. It will happen sometime in the next year and a half cause that's when it expires.
 
wow... photos, I HATE them... but that's why I'm working on it i guess... I look better in a shirt :) LOL
Damn... never realize how much more dominate my right side was. It's pretty damn noticable in the photos.... from lacrosse and the weight team (shot put, jav, discus)... all righty.

Uploading them to my gallery.

Cyrex, there's one specifically for you bro... you sick bastard!
 
sgtslaughter said:
wow... photos, I HATE them... but that's why I'm working on it i guess... I look better in a shirt :) LOL
Damn... never realize how much more dominate my right side was. It's pretty damn noticable in the photos.... from lacrosse and the weight team (shot put, jav, discus)... all righty.

Uploading them to my gallery.

Cyrex, there's one specifically for you bro... you sick bastard!

Tick tock tick tock..
 
Bump for constructive criticism on my photos.

Another realization I've had: I have to think that I'm starting fresh basically screw the last 7 years... I lifted consistantly for 5, and the last 2 were shit basically... back to basics I go. On the quest to get some inner chest meat to inflate those bastards amoung other things!
 
I'd like to say the progress is going well, but there is nothing to compare them to!

I would suggest eating right at your BMR and lifting hard and heavy with only a little cardio. It does look though like you got some extra skin hanging around. your fatty areas look loose (like they recently were deflated) so it appears as though you are drinking your water and losing some fat ;-)
 
Yup, I put on too much shit when I tried and bulked these past few months (sept-dec basically... but eased on, and eased down). But in all actuality I've never had a total six pack... always had a little pouch down there.. but this time, it's gotta go.

cyrex said:
oh and I KNEW you had an extra nipple!
haha, I thought you'd like that quick photoshopping, used the stamp tool!
 
sgtslaughter said:
wow... photos, I HATE them... but that's why I'm working on it i guess... I look better in a shirt :) LOL
Damn... never realize how much more dominate my right side was. It's pretty damn noticable in the photos.... from lacrosse and the weight team (shot put, jav, discus)... all righty.

Yeah, I remember when I cut for my first contest, the photo session I did 16 weeks out. It scared me so bad I almost backed out right then and there! But it was an eye opener, and made me work harder to achieve my goals.

I was like you, had never, ever cut, always on a bulk. I was amazed. Eye opener for sure. You sound like you have the drive like I did, you will do fine.
 
Lifter4Life: haha, yes the photos sure did scare the crap outa me! I definetly look at myself differently. My friends, when I see them in a few months are going to without a doubt ask me if I'm using steriods, lol... they already think I do because I look decent in a shirt! I'll laugh and start rambling on about how meticulous I am about my diet and train everyday because that's the truth :chomp:

One thing I'm really hoping for is that the skin over the "more fatty" areas will get sucked back in... I'm in my early 20's and was overweight as a pre-teen. So it'll be interesting, and I'll definetly be an un-happy camper if I have to have surgury to take off the extra skin... we will see!

Thanks for the input bro! I have the drive, indeed... I will look like Frank Zane in a few years without a doubt!

(Disclaimer: As long as nothing extremly drastic/a life changing event occurs from a source out of my control!)

EDIT: "You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Lifterforlife again."
 
For comparison and progress purposes... I posted a photo about 6 (ish) years ago... I belive it was taken around the time I just started messing around with weights. Notice the Very skinny forearms for comparison. Also that was taken right after I grew a good amount out of my fat and unathletic stage.
 
Good to see you're sticking to a diet and having success with it.

Are you following Tomek...The Hulk's guide? Overall it's a pretty good guide, but there are some things about it I don't agree with. I'll give you my input and you can do what you will with it. By all means, if what you are doing is working, stick with it. But here are some things to think about.

First of all, there are 2 schools of though on macronutrient breakdown of a meal - 1. protein + carbs + fat...2. protein + carbs OR protein + healthy. Now there are obviously good points for both views.

Eating healthy fats with carbs helps blunt insulin, since fats slow digestion, therefore producing a lower, steadier rise in blood sugar (instead of a rapid spike), keeping insulin levels lower. In addition, eating carbs every meal means insulin levels will rise after every meal, and insulin increases amino acid uptake. However, insulin also acts to stimulate fat storage and inhibit lipolysis - so keeping blood glucose steadier and insulin levels low is important in preventing fat storage. This is why some advocate not combing fat with carbs - when insulin is released you didn't provide the fats to be stored.

Keep in mind however that low-GI complex carbs do not spike blood sugar the way high-GI carbs do, so insulin will not spike if you're eating the correct carbs, regardless of whether you ingest fats with it or not. On a side note, amino acids alone can cause slight increases in insulin that help facilitate their uptake, but the primary mode of insulin is still control of blood glucose.

The biggest thing to take out of this is that regardless of whether you eat fat with a protein/carb meal, you should be focusing on low-GI carbs to keep blood sugar steadier and insulin levels lower throughout the day. Constantly spiking blood sugar, and therefore insulin, has worse long-term effects than promoting fat storage (insulin resistance and eventually type II diabetes). If you do ingest fats with a carb/protein meal, focus on healthy fats (omega-3, omega-6, monounsaturates) and limit saturated fats (you do need to eat some) and avoid trans fats at all costs - and eat low GI carbs.
 
One thing I completely disagree with in Tomek's guide is this:

"Follow this rule for every meal EXCEPT for your last meal as you don't need carbs and efa's while sleeping.
When it comes to carbohydrates there is another simple rule:

Wake up - 3pm: Starchy and complex carbs
3pm - Sleep: Fibrous carbs

Simply because when you wake up you need energy! Your body feels deprived while sleeping you may not feel it but its a fact 6-8 hours with out sleeping can do this. So eat the starchy and complex carbs until 3pm after this time have the Fibrous carbs so that you are not taking in too much energy and not using it."

First off, ignore the times listed (wake-3pm, 3pm-sleep). This is completely irrelevant. Some people say don't eat carbs after 6pm. If you get out of bed at 10am and go to bed at 2am, then not eating carbs after 3pm would be dumb. MOST IMPORTANTLY - If you work out in the evening, not eating complex carbs after lifting is actually hindering your progress, for several reasons.

1. Intense physical activity deplete muscle glycogen stores.
2. Intense physical activity decreases testosterone and inscreases cortisol.
3. Muscle that is glycogen depleted has increased insulin sensitivity for a short period of time, so insulin dependent glucose uptake is much higher during this time window.

So the purpose of ingesting carbs after a workout is 3-fold:

1. Provide muscle with glucose to replenish glycogen stores during a time when muscle tissue is much more responsive to insulin.
2. Raise insulin levels to fascilitate glucose uptake and to blunt release of cortisol.
3. Raise insulin levels to increase amino acid uptake

Now, does this mean you need shitloads of carbs - NO. I'd say around 100-150g over 2 meals for a 200lb person, but it would obviously vary per person. Is this the only time I would ever advocate using high GI carbs - YES. Again, here is an issue that has 2 distinct views:

1. After a workout, you want to spike blood sugar and insulin as quick as possible (for reasons mentioned above), so ingest dextrose or maltodextrin with protein. Follow it 1.5-2 hrs later with a whole food meal of low-GI carbs and lean protein.

2. Low GI carbs are sufficient to replenish glycogen stores and intentional spiking blood sugar/insulin is a practice that should be avoided. Low GI carbs

I follow the #1. A dextrose (65-75g)/protein shake immediately post-workout and a whole food meal 1.5 hrs later (equal amount of carbs). Again, this is the only time I advocate spiking insulin. However, I have read some papers that have made me consider the other alternative.

Again, its your choice. From my experience, some message boards seem to sway one way more than another, but overall it's pretty close to 50/50.

The main point is that I consider post-workout carbs a MUST, and to say not to eat carbs after a certain time does not apply to everyone. I focus my carb intake post workout and 1st thing in the morning while cutting.

Another thing I don't advocate is high carb intake right before a workout. The idea is to keep insulin low during the workout, and raise it after. Pre-workout I tend to go for around 20-25g carbs - low GI of course.
 
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I do like about the idea of calorie cycling that Tomek mentions (although I'd set it up a bit different).

I recommend cycling around workout days instead of just picking days to do it - non-workout days being your lowest calorie days, with workout days being close to or slightly over estimated maintainance. For me, the higher caloric intake on workout days is due to increased carb intake (post-workout).

Again, if what you are doing is working, stick with it until it stops working.

The good thing about calorie cycling, as Tomek says, is to keep your body from adjusting to a steady hypocaloric intake. If you constantly ingest less calories than you need, the fat burning will slow as your metabolism slows (primarily due to descreased thyroid output).
 
thanks for all the input Alpha3. I'm aware of most of it especially the insulin spiking... that's what I think contributed to my fat storage.

I'm not using his guide per say... I don't count calories, I use the portions I know and the amount and stick to a meal amount, ect. I really don't have time to get extremely anal about it. But if it comes to that to loosing more fat I will... I'm just not going to spend all day thinking about my body and nutrition, I can't afford to... and what I'm doing is working, and I'm healthy doing it... not starving myself.

P.S. Water intake is on average I'd say 1.5 gallons ed
 
sgtslaughter said:
thanks for all the input Alpha3. I'm aware of most of it especially the insulin spiking... that's what I think contributed to my fat storage.

I'm not using his guide per say... I don't count calories, I use the portions I know and the amount and stick to a meal amount, ect. I really don't have time to get extremely anal about it. But if it comes to that to loosing more fat I will... I'm just not going to spend all day thinking about my body and nutrition, I can't afford to... and what I'm doing is working, and I'm healthy doing it... not starving myself.

P.S. Water intake is on average I'd say 1.5 gallons ed

I wasn't sure what you did/didn't know, so I was trying to be fairly detailed. That you are aware of alot of it shows you've done a little homework...some people on this board don't.

To be honest I don't count calories either...I actually count macronutrient amounts - set g of protein and carbs or fat per meal. The only reason I know my calories are higher on workout days (calorie cycling) is due to increased carb intake on those days.

I'm glad you're making progress, and not starving yourself to do it. Obviously, that is key, so stick with what works.

BTW, good work on the water intake. That was something I didn't mention but I see I didn't need to. I think that's a good amount of water while cutting, unless you add stimulants, then I might suggest upping it to 2 gallons.

Congrats on the progress bro.
 
Thanks bro... yeah it's good to hear positive reinforcement for sure!

Stimulants... yup, T-rex (thermorexin)... Main reason for supplementing with it: to curb my appetite and keep energy levels up to par while cutting calories.

1.5 gallons on average... so maybe I should bump it, maybe it is higher, who knows... i'm never dehydrated. I gauge that by how dry my mouth gets... I notice very easily that way (i'm sure people could argue otherwise).

I usually get 1 gallon during the 8ish hours I'm at work ... and then drink a bunch at home later... my guestimated average could be off.

I think I'm good though... I drink water all the time while I'm awake :coffee:
 
good start bro.....need to really tighten up on that diet.....no cheating....got a soft midsection to care of and some work to do.....hit the cardio hard and the diet harder.....you'll get there/
 
Thanks bro. Yeah, dieting hard and incorporating nessesary foods into my daily diet that I never have before... I've seem to only done 20% of the BB lifestyle before now... and that was hitting the weights. 80% is definetly diet... whether it's cutting or bulking.

Regards to cardio: I'm being veeeery careful as not not loose any muscle. Any thoughts regarding cardio and maintaining muscle??... i've lost a good amount of fat so far without being consistant with cardio.

Did you notice how much larger my right side is? Or is it just me... maybe I should do some one (left) arm dumbell presses, lol...
 
5 Weeks left until vacation... at which time the shirt will come off in public in a tropical location. I'm hoping to hear "Ohhh, ahhhh" ..not: "holy shit!" lol

Down 14.0 total pounds since start.

Wow... At this rate I WILL be ripped before summer and maybe intime for my vacation(?). Keeping on changing things up all the time slightly... and I can't wait for tomorrow to "refeed" as Mr. X would say because I've been keeping carbs to a minimum.
 
so you've lost 14lbs in two weeks..thats alot. I thought that 2lbs a week is good. I dont know, I just started my diet and I haven't lost anything on the scale so far. I think my calories might be too high.
 
You've got a good point... I started tapering down my bulking diet at one point... but I've been consistant with the current diet for 2 weeks.

I'm glad you said that... I should clarify... I'm down 14 lbs. from the weight that I peaked at... which was probably 4 weeks ago.

When did you "just start" your diet?

EDIT: I read back what I had typed right above your post. I stated 14 lbs lost since start... not two weeks, so I was correct. You misread my statment.
 
Sorry bro..No i was saying it like it was good not bad. 14lbs and still maintaining muscle mass is sweet. I started it a week ago. Haven't cheated.
 
haha
sgslaughter.. you never make pointless posts... . . . . . .. .......


14 lbs is not tough to believe in 2 weeks especially if you started drinking 1 gallon + of water and stopped eating stuff that will cause you to retain water. That and fairly low carbs will help you lose a LOT of water weight from the start, but I'd venture to say you've probably lost a good 5 lbs or so of fat.
 
lol... Pointless Posts... ME?! Naaaa :p

Cy: You're right on. I've cut out dairy completly (speaking of which... I need to buy a calcium supplement), I avoid any and all high sodium products, I do not eat anything that comes in a bag basically (anything processed, ect...). And the water intake I kept up during my bulking too but maybe not as religiously as now.

EDIT (10:47pm): I did legs tonight... bombarded them, and therefore I may not be able to walk tomorrow.... and will probably need 12 hours of sleep to recover... finishing up my Salmon filet with Basmati Brown rice and passing out exhausted.... this is going to turn into my journal thread; probably.
 
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sgtslaughter said:
Keeping on changing things up all the time slightly... and I can't wait for tomorrow to "refeed" as Mr. X would say because I've been keeping carbs to a minimum.

I like the refeed idea since you're keeping carbs low. I assume you're talking a fairly low fat, high carb, moderate protein day? I'm guessing if you're keeping the carbs low you're taking in a good amount of healthy fats, so hitting a good clean carb day is definitely smart.
 
You dont need a re-feed if you are leaving in 5 weeks...you need 3 carb meals and that is it.......1st meal, pretraining and post training........cardio 5 days a week first think in am, at a minimum. 30-45minutes moderate intensity.
 
nice shape!!

good luck, I am on my comp diet now too, Titan at the Hackney Empire on Feb 26th, London, England

Looks like some good info on high low days, to go to the original source of this info check out anything by CHris Aceto and Tom Venuto's burn the fat feed the muscle (e-book)
 
JKurz1 said:
You dont need a re-feed if you are leaving in 5 weeks
ok, very true... too close to "show time." Well I got 9 hours sleep last night, I was lookinig for 10-12hours but insomnia is a __itch .. Quads, Hams, Calves, Glutes are sore as hell from last night's workout. Rightly so, I haven't trained legs in a few weeks. Chest is Still semi-sore from Monday.

I love waking up and seeing my body change a little bit, day by day... It's a great feeling.

Alpha: Since it is so close to my "show time," I think I will cut out the refeed scheduled for today and stick to the regular meal schedule.

Kurz: Don't you think all that cardio is going to destroy some muscle mass that I really can't afford to loose? I don't care if i'm not total dialed in yet for the 5 weeks... I'll continue it after the vacation anyway to prepare for the summer. I'm doing 3 days of cardio currently.

tatyana_zadorozny: Thanks! Good luck with your show! I'm just doing this for myself :). Tom Venuoto's got some excellent information for sure, i've read a good amount of his literature.

Also, I was informed the scale I've been using is -5 lbs (say it reads 200 lbs, it should be 205 lbs). I'm happy to hear that!! It means my loose is still the same but i'll be a higher weight that previously though!
 
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to sgtslaughter again.


ARG sarg i'm trying to hit ya up!

ah well


I think the cardio 3x week should be fine as long as its not over 30 minutes, you are getting enough protein and you are lifting and I think all of those are probably true so you should be fine.
 
Thanks for tryin! ... spread it around and try again :)

That's what I'm thinking as far as cardio is concerned... I lost a few pounds without even doing any cardio. Slow and steady wins the race... and I'm trying to win with all the muscle I can! :coffee:
 
Question for those that have seen my photos:

What do you think my Body Fat Percentage is in the photos?

Post educated guesses and I'll average them out ;) for future reference, Thanks.
 
Back/Delt Day: Off to the gym I go, because I can't do clean and jerks in my basement. Ceiling is too low :( I like the seated (semi free weight) row machine they have any way. NO deadlifts today.... my legs are screaming.

Side Lateral raises, Military press (barbell this time), rear delt laterals on the pec deck, hmmm, I think that's it, who knows... I always change something up when I get there anyway.

I'm amped up for a damn good workout though!! Time to GO __CK __IT UP! Beast Time! :evil:

- I hope the yoga mommies aren't there... i seem to scare them away with my intensity, and I like the owner so I try to be chill there, lol
 
haha
the yoga mommies. I used to work at a fitness center and while I was a 'weight room monitor' part of my duties included doing child care sometimes. There was this one VERY hot single chick with this cute little 4 year old that I would watch quite often. Anyways one Sunday she came for a class without her kid (no childcare on Sundays). Yoga got over 20 minutes before closing. When closing time came the place was empty. I was closing up and taking the towels out of the locker rooms and stuff. When I knocked to see if anyone was still in the women's lockeroom near the classrooms no one said anything. I peeked in and yelled again and no response, so I went in and there she was standing naked. (HOT AS HELL) She asked me if I wanted to try a new yoga postion she learned that day. It was crazy. I was soooo tempted too haha. But alas I wasn't prepared to cheat on my girlfriend at the time.

Anyways your 'yoga mommies' reminded me of that haha..


Great work so far. Your bf looks to be about 15% give or take a little but it's tough to tell with the odd poses and the elementary photoshopping :-)

Are you using any supplements (t-rex or anything?)
 
WOW! Quality Story Cy! .... lol, ok 15% with the odd poses. Elementary photoshopping.... haha, want to have a photoshop contest? ;)

Supplement List:
- PureCEE
- Thermorexin
- Glucorell R
- SesaPure
- Prolab Glutamine
- Multi Vitamin
- Whey Protein for during workouts (with 10 g. of the L-Glutamine)

Short Update/Notes: Sore as hell today, but less than yesterday. My Gastrocnemiuses are so tight I can barely walk, must do more streching next time after heavy stand up calf raises. Traps are sore as well from 315 x 5's ... couldn't go heavier, I forgot my straps. Delts didn't get too roasted during the workout except for my post. delts on the reverse pec deck... had a good workout with that.
 
sgtslaughter said:
WOW! Quality Story Cy! .... lol, ok 15% with the odd poses. Elementary photoshopping.... haha, want to have a photoshop contest? ;)

Supplement List:
- PureCEE
- Thermorexin
- Glucorell R
- SesaPure
- Prolab Glutamine
- Multi Vitamin
- Whey Protein for during workouts (with 10 g. of the L-Glutamine)

Short Update/Notes: Sore as hell today, but less than yesterday. My Gastrocnemiuses are so tight I can barely walk, must do more streching next time after heavy stand up calf raises. Traps are sore as well from 315 x 5's ... couldn't go heavier, I forgot my straps. Delts didn't get too roasted during the workout except for my post. delts on the reverse pec deck... had a good workout with that.

I've been doing web development for 7 years and using photoshop for designing layouts, icons, etc for all of those 7 years. I would so own you :-)

Traps are sore from what? 315x5??
 
hehe, o...k. Whatever you say. I may be younger, but I've been using photoshop for 7 years as well, started early in highschool. I've done overhauled corporate identities (logos, brochures, letterheads, web space, ect...) I sense a challenge :) Let's keep this to PM's we'll come up with something good! I have developed quite the portfolio over the years... even though I'm not going to contining using my gifts in the photoshop relm.

Yeah my traps are sore from mainly the barbell shrugs of which I finished with a last set of 315lbs for 5 reps... before I had done cleans (which I also feel in my traps from the pull upwards) and I went and finished with some dumbell shrugs after everything.

EDIT: I have about 6 inches of snow in my driveway that needs to be shoveled/snow blowed off... we will resume this in a few hours :)
 
My chest workout is approching this week. I'm going to try to keep the intensity down a tad so I'm not sore for 3+ days. DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Sorness)is a bi_ch.

Focus of that workout will be close(er) grip presses for inner pecs, and incline for upper mass. Flyes for me seem to only add to the outer pec... which is not where I need it.

I like performing dips as a finisher for my chest routine but I may cut that add incline dumbell presses with a nuetral grip, I like using a nuetral grip for dumbell presses because the "normal" palms facing away from ones face seems to affect my rotator cuff negativly... it "pops" occasionally also.

I will add 2-3 sets for anterior delts, because I got carried away with lats and traps on the session.
 
sgtslaughter said:
hehe, o...k. Whatever you say. I may be younger, but I've been using photoshop for 7 years as well, started early in highschool. I've done overhauled corporate identities (logos, brochures, letterheads, web space, ect...) I sense a challenge :) Let's keep this to PM's we'll come up with something good! I have developed quite the portfolio over the years... even though I'm not going to contining using my gifts in the photoshop relm.

Yeah my traps are sore from mainly the barbell shrugs of which I finished with a last set of 315lbs for 5 reps... before I had done cleans (which I also feel in my traps from the pull upwards) and I went and finished with some dumbell shrugs after everything.

EDIT: I have about 6 inches of snow in my driveway that needs to be shoveled/snow blowed off... we will resume this in a few hours :)


AHHHHHHHHHH shrugs! hehe i could figure out for the life of me how you could be doing upright rows with 315 lbs... (that has been my trap exercise of choice lately, it's making my traps get huge)
 
sgtslaughter said:
My chest workout is approching this week. I'm going to try to keep the intensity down a tad so I'm not sore for 3+ days. DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Sorness)is a bi_ch.

Focus of that workout will be close(er) grip presses for inner pecs, and incline for upper mass. Flyes for me seem to only add to the outer pec... which is not where I need it.

I like performing dips as a finisher for my chest routine but I may cut that add incline dumbell presses with a nuetral grip, I like using a nuetral grip for dumbell presses because the "normal" palms facing away from ones face seems to affect my rotator cuff negativly... it "pops" occasionally also.

I will add 2-3 sets for anterior delts, because I got carried away with lats and traps on the session.

For some reason my inner pecs never get sore from close grip bench no matte what I do with my elbows my tris seem to get all the workout, but compared to my chest my triceps are much stronger.. go figure.. Dumbell flys and the flypress machine really get my inner pecs though.

As far as DOM, when I get it, I typically go in the next day and do the exact same exercises I did the day before with about 60% of the weight I used and 1 set for 10 reps. After I'm done with that, the soreness is gone completely. Tired and weak feeling yes, but sore... no :-)
 
Upright rows with 315 lbs... LOL my rotators would be jello in a plastic casing! Not a huge fan of them, but i'll do them occasionally.

Hmm, I'm going to have to try alot of different things to stimulate the inner pecs... maybe go lighter with flyes/pec deck and really hold the squeeze/contration at the "top" of the movement... good ideas. I'll figure it out! Thanks for the ideas!
 
Here we go. I found the very fatty before photo I took on March 28, 2005 floating on my hard drive.

I believe I took this right before I decided to get back in the gym after the ~ 2 year hiatus. Probably ~20%ish bf ... How I still pulled quality females looking like that, I do not know... lol. I can't wait for this summer!!!
 
WHOA! I'm doing something right... here's the story:

It ended up being a really late lifting session because I decided to do it after my night class (instead of pushing it to tomorrow). Get there, take my PureCEE... buy a Mass Recovery, cuz today has been ridiculously busy. (60 grams of carbs..dex, and malo, I believe, and 30 or 45 of whey... 380 calories) ... hadn't eaten for a good 3 hours cuz of class. (ate after work though).

So I'm there, do a quick warm up on the treadmill... nothing crazy because I'm pretty beat at that point. Get on the gym floor start sipping the carb/prot. drink... get up to 75lbs (DB's) for about 5 reps I think I finished for presses (chest).... WOW, I had never even thought of going that heavy without a spot for DB Presses before, I guess it pays off to make your most dredded lift/body part day your favorite. Very happy about that.

Do some incline barbell presses, pretty beat... go light and do 3 sets, intense though, pushing through exhaustion. Then, Low pulley cross overs, DAMN did I feel these nicely! Sick Pump!!.... ended up doing a few sets of curls (hammer, forearm overhand grip curl, low pully; and tri work: seated machine overhead presses, pully push downs... toasted).

Long story short... I didn't eat many carbs today AT ALL ... And when I let the carbo protein shake flow through my body (at 9:00pm) with the PureCEE it rocked!! ... I felt like a mini Jay Cutler so pumped!.... even some of the Bigger Guys walked by to clean some stuff (employees) in the back of the locker room, looked over and I caught them... It was the look like... "Whoa, didn't know u were that swole without the bulky shirt," when I was changin' outof my soaked shirt. Not tooting my own horn or anything ;) This is going to be quite the ride. I love dieting now, lol.

I'm loosing midsection fat and seems like I'm gaining some good strength so far... and maybe even a little muscle.

Deffinetly taking pumped photos next time, with cold one's to compare with the old cold photos.

EDIT: There was a hot chick alert tonight too. Maybe I like going later? Oh yeah... nevermind, I have a girlfriend :rolleyes:
 
NICE ... hot chicks at the gym are always nice. I try not to talk too much or interact with other people so I can get in and get out, but sometimes I can't help but stare for 5 minutes...

WTG on impressing the employees! lol

gotta pass out more karma.. GRR
 
LOL @ the hot chick and employee comment!

oh yeah!

Scale reads today 189.0 lbs after morning liquids relieved.
But with the + 5 lbs I was told the scale is off by = 194.0 lbs
And I still believe I'm 6'1" ... unless I'm still growing ;)

Sweet, I'm definetly not going to be as light as I thought after loosing the fat!
 
Either I can't do course work after work when I get home or I do and stay up til 3:00am because my mind races after I do work and can't stop thinking.

I may opt to go to the Doctor's to try and get some Ambien (CR... or whathaveyou). This happens at least 2x ew and it's a pain in the ass...

Any herbal ideas would be appreciated... remember I'm dieting so don't bother saying pound some beers, ect.

I also "make-up" for lack of sleep during the week by sleeping on average 11 hours a night on the weekend. Doubt that really helps... but i feel rested after.
 
PR (personal record) last night!!! - on a calorie restricted diet and sleep deprevation (shitty sleep the night before) and no weight belt: I pulled off 405lbs for 2 reps at the peak of my deadlifts, woohoo! more than 2x's my weight! I also did it for shrugs this time cuz I had my straps... 4 reps on the smith machine (no way in hell was I going to be able to get that off the floor after deads). The height of my dumbell shrugs I got up to 105's for 6 reps.

Feel much more rested today than yesterday because of a full 8 hours of sleep!

Damnit, I gotta start wearing gloves lifting again! I forgot last night and my callouses have their own zip code... gotta protect my hands now that I'm back on the market, lol.

Oh, and this morning a little side flex pose I can see my serratus muscles starting to show!! ... "loosing fat, one cell at a time" - coming to a theater near you. ok, i'm done... that's a the little journal entry for today.
 
nice. on the PR :-) Way to go

Damnit, I gotta start wearing gloves lifting again! I forgot last night and my callouses have their own zip code... gotta protect my hands now that I'm back on the market, lol.

Now does this mean that you don't want callouses because you do not currently have a woman and need to have soft hands? Or do you go up to a chick and say "Hey, how are you doing? Would you like to see my hands?"
 
cyrex said:
nice. on the PR :-) Way to go



Now does this mean that you don't want callouses because you do not currently have a woman and need to have soft hands? Or do you go up to a chick and say "Hey, how are you doing? Would you like to see my hands?"

LOL. Yeah I don't wear gloves either. The chicks probably dig the rough hands, shows that you're a "manly-man"

Slaughter - congrats on the PR, glad to see your getting results in the fat loss dept.
 
LMAO @ Cyrex's comment .."want to see my hands" to a woman. :lmao:

I don't know about the hands now... should I keep them rough? My previous g/f liked it but she was from the sticks/boondocks/boonies/out in the woods. No clue, my next one may be a socialite that prefers softer hands?? ... I think i'm going to start wearing them on occasion for just pulling lifts, that's where the grips important anyway.

Thanks, yeah... I've completly DITCHED going upto 12 reps, I never see results there. Sticking low even though I'm dieting... and making strength gains... it's fuggin' sweet! :)
 
Nice :-) i only go up to 12 reps on a warm-up set with a very light weight like a 135 lb squat or bench. Just to get the blood flowing and only 1 of those.. everything from then on is 4-8 reps and maybe a 1RM or 2RM if I feel like I want that extra burn

Sometime when I'm not feeling like I'm really getting the muscle very well (common problem with tricepts for me) I will go ahead and after my last set drop the weight by about 40% and crank out as many reps as I can (sometimes 15 or so) then drop the weight even more and crank out more reps. Gotta love the dropsets :-)
 
Exactly! That's how I train now... drop sets are fun for triceps deff... although I can't shampoo my head after in the shower, lol.

I'm throughly looking forward to a heavy and lengthly leg day tomorrow :)
 
I think I might start doing a few Tricep sets before I work on chest from now on. My tri's are much stronger than my chest relatively, hopefully that will put more stress on my chest . . .
 
Yeah, give it a shot... pre-fatigue the stronger muscle.

You may have trouble on lock out if you really work them though. Make that mind-muscle connection and blast the pecs.

What chest exercise do you feel the pecs really getting the blunt of the work?
 
sgtslaughter said:
Yeah, give it a shot... pre-fatigue the stronger muscle.

You may have trouble on lock out if you really work them though. Make that mind-muscle connection and blast the pecs.

What chest exercise do you feel the pecs really getting the blunt of the work?

actually i don't...

my arms are hella strong and so is my back, they seem to make up for where my chest lacks. You saw my pic i posted. I don't have much for pecs but I can still bench 255. Not much for a guy my size but still not bad. I can almost close grip bench the same as I can with a normal grip.

To answer your question, I think DB press with the smallest decline possible. or 1-arm pec dec
 
Damn that's crazy, being able to close grip bench what you "normal grip."

OHHH, Idea: Have you ever gone really wide with your grip? Almost to the weight rack? That may do a thing or two for your outer pecs without relying so much on tris? (maybe)

Gotcha... Crank out DB presses 3 - 4x ew for some serious results then ;)
 
poor attempt at a just kidding joke to really attack your pecs. But it could work you never know. As I say.. I don't belive in overtraining... just under eating and under sleeping.

I've been so busy all weekend, i have to spend a few hours on today catching up, lol.
 
cyrex said:
I think I might start doing a few Tricep sets before I work on chest from now on. My tri's are much stronger than my chest relatively, hopefully that will put more stress on my chest . . .

Just a thought, but if you pre fatigue your triceps, that would take power away from your bench press, which would seem to defeat the purpose in your case.

Even if your tri's are stronger than the chest, this will not really help your chest to get stronger IMHO. From someone who had the classic pirates dream, I am speaking a bit from experience as well as knowlege.

I would suggest instead upping your chest work(frequency of) to acclimate it to better recovery, thus better adaptation parameters, thus accelerated growth.
 
Lifterforlife said:
...From someone who had the classic pirates dream...


What is "the classic pirates dream" ... I have no idea.

YES, I was Right... work your chest more Cyrex! :) I think I'm going to do the same because my chest recovery is doing well, I'm not in traction for too long after a really heavy chest day.
 
sgtslaughter said:
What is "the classic pirates dream" ... I have no idea.

YES, I was Right... work your chest more Cyrex! :) I think I'm going to do the same because my chest recovery is doing well, I'm not in traction for too long after a really heavy chest day.

Sunken chest! ;) I wouldn't take off my shirt for anything in public!

Now, guess what is one of my best bodyparts when posing I get the most cheers for?
 
LMAO @ the Pirate Joke now... good one! Yeah that's one of the body parts I need to really bring up to par too... too many years neglecting the heavy bench.

It's almost a requirment it seems I've come to realize to make your worst bodypart your favorite lifting day to get results... now I love chest day and wouldn't half ass it ever again!
 
sgtslaughter said:
LMAO @ the Pirate Joke now... good one! Yeah that's one of the body parts I need to really bring up to par too... too many years neglecting the heavy bench.

It's almost a requirment it seems I've come to realize to make your worst bodypart your favorite lifting day to get results... now I love chest day and wouldn't half ass it ever again!

Yeah, I was quite the "shoulder bencher" for a long time. I had to learn to check my ego at the door and drop my weight to concentrate more focus on the chest.
 
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