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6oxo on its own
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I say dont wait.
you've been training a year and a half. you should know what your doing by now, and have a pretty good grasp of diet and excercise.
At that wieght, Ive gotta ask, hows your diet?
and if your going to do a PH cycle do it right. something along the lines of 800mg/d of andro-spray and 400mg/d of 1AD for a minimum of 6 weeks. make sure to have proper post cycle supps. you can get clomid and arimidex on-line from stores in the US. If you want to keep out of the grey market, make sure to use 6-OXO and 4-OHT(formasin). run your post cycle sups for 3-6 weeks along with creatine and an ECA stack to aid in energy. this would also be a good time for extra ALA to help glucos heading into the muscles and not lipocytes.
let me know if you need any help.
you've been training a year and a half. you should know what your doing by now, and have a pretty good grasp of diet and excercise.
At that wieght, Ive gotta ask, hows your diet?
and if your going to do a PH cycle do it right. something along the lines of 800mg/d of andro-spray and 400mg/d of 1AD for a minimum of 6 weeks. make sure to have proper post cycle supps. you can get clomid and arimidex on-line from stores in the US. If you want to keep out of the grey market, make sure to use 6-OXO and 4-OHT(formasin). run your post cycle sups for 3-6 weeks along with creatine and an ECA stack to aid in energy. this would also be a good time for extra ALA to help glucos heading into the muscles and not lipocytes.
let me know if you need any help.
gsxr1000
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They market 1-AD and even 4-AD somewhat as not aromatizing to estrogen very easily, but that doesn't mean that it cannot (4-AD moreso than 1-AD). Not only for it's anti-estrogen effects, you'll need 6oxo to restore you natural test production because YES 1-AD will suppress your natural test levels, if you don't take something post-cycle you'll very much likely crash pretty hard and lose your gains................do a search for 1-ad, you'll see what people have to say.
Thanks gsxr1000, I have done a seach on it and found some pretty useful info. When your natural test levels drop, if you didn't do anything post cycle would they go back to normal after a while ? Also I can't really afford the 4AD so what are the advantages of taking it along with 1AD.
yes, eventually T levels will go back to normal. during this time, which could be anywhere from 3 weeks to 3 months, you'll be lethargic, possibly a little depressed, and could lose some or all of the mass gained.
This is where an ECA stack comes in. It will boost your energy levels.
I'd also start using creatine at this time. it will hep recovery post workout and help offset some of the inevitable post-cycle catabolism.
Better gains, and better mood. To save money use half the recomended dose for andro-spray; 400mg/d will still yield a better mood and to a smaller degree better gains than not using 4-AD.
Abut my diet flash, I get 180-200g of protein a day don't really count carbs or fat though I probably should cos I don't think I am getting enough carbs. I get 160 from NLarge, I concentrate on getting protein so much that I tend to neglect carbs. Everyone talks about protein is what is needed to build muscle but how important are carbs ?
killa in manila
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how much does 6-oxo cost?
the right carbs are essential.
good carb sources are oatmeal, yams, and brown rice.
bump that protein and run an equal amnt of carbs. try to get 300g of protein and 300g of carbs per day. the rest of your calories should come from healthy fats.
If you like nlarge, stick with it. drink 1 serving about an hour before your workout and another immediately after. If you get sick drinking nlarge before, you can sip on gatorade w/ creatine throughout your workout, then hit up the nlarge post workout.
try to get in most of your carbs around your worout, then eat a higher percentage of protein and fat during your other meals.
good carb sources are oatmeal, yams, and brown rice.
bump that protein and run an equal amnt of carbs. try to get 300g of protein and 300g of carbs per day. the rest of your calories should come from healthy fats.
If you like nlarge, stick with it. drink 1 serving about an hour before your workout and another immediately after. If you get sick drinking nlarge before, you can sip on gatorade w/ creatine throughout your workout, then hit up the nlarge post workout.
try to get in most of your carbs around your worout, then eat a higher percentage of protein and fat during your other meals.
to increase your appetite....
avoid stimulants and force feed
. after making yourself eat enough you'll adapt to where its not such a chore, then eventually you'll start craving those extra meals. Its just like dieting, the first week or so is hard, then it will become routine.
avoid stimulants and force feed
. after making yourself eat enough you'll adapt to where its not such a chore, then eventually you'll start craving those extra meals. Its just like dieting, the first week or so is hard, then it will become routine.ProteinFiend
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Flash_75 said:
Dont use creatine and ECA... that would be retarted... caffine is a diuretic... cancelling out the effects of the creatine.... choose whether you want to bulk more (creatine) or cut (ECA) and stick with it... but dont mix them... that goes for coffee and creatine also
ProteinFiend
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Flash_75 said:
This again is silly to do... you cannot have creatine sit in gatorade during your workout... first of all gatorade is slightly acidic so i wouldnt mix creatine with it to begin with... secondly, creatine degrades into its waste product creatinine in 10-15minutes in WATER... so down your creatine fast after mixing it... or do as I like to do.. and spoon it into your mouth and wash it down with water
gatorade would be good to sip on during your workout... 30 min AFTER taking your creatine, pre workout
