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so i got my liver enxymes checked and they are slightly elevated. my AST(sgot) was 38 and my ALT(sgpt) was 53. Is this a significant elevation and something i should worry about?
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Chocolate_Thunder
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zeplin7464
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my normal general physician who tested them is really against seroid use so he said stop em...normal ranges for both are between about 10-35. then i gave my sports med doc a call, the pro juice guy and he said its nothing to worry about its such a slight elevation, ad wed only have to worry if it pretty much got up to 200. got my breathing checked, and a chest xray also... everything is fine, its pretty much anxiety, and i cnt smoke any pot or nething anymore becasuse after all my years of smoking daily since about 14, i now have very slight emphysema which doctor said will go away as long as i stop smoking...so im just worried bout the liver values goin up way more when i start the stanazolol
The normal range of values for AST (SGOT) is from 5 to 40 units per liter of serum
The normal range of values for ALT (SGPT) is from 7 to 56 units per liter of serum.
The normal range of values for ALT (SGPT) is from 7 to 56 units per liter of serum.
zeplin7464
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so the liver valused are in range then
Chocolate_Thunder
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So your Dr. told you to stop and the "sports guy" told you don't worry about it? HELLO!!!
Your smoking pot while using aas? Even better.
Now you're going to complicate things more, AFTER YOUR DR. TOLD YOU TO STOP by using winstrol?
You're not ready for any of this.
zeplin7464
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yes my gen pysician is a family friend and has been treating me since i was 3 years old...im sure any regular doctor would be against aas use for athletic enhancement...even for you thunder, especially if he has known u since u were an infant! so its definitaly a biased decision...he did not even know the names of the gear...just that "steroids are steroids" and if you take em your gunna end up in a hospital with heart failure. so with all this said, i dont think your ready either chocolate, right?
zeplin7464
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and im sure your gen phys would tell you to keep it up....steroids are grreat for you!! right? since you know so much about them, its ok to do them
right? since you know so much about them, its ok to do them
Chocolate_Thunder
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You're missing the point.
You smoke pot, your diet isn't what it needs to be, you have not fully researched gear and the way it works, you ran a deca only for your first cycle to begin with, you haven't reached your maximum potential naturally, you're too young for aas and you're taking additional prescription meds for other issues.
These are the reasons I am stating that you're not ready for this.
You just found some gear and a site and you think you're ready for everything.
I am not claiming to be an expert, there are many others on this board who have knowledge far beyond mine.
Not that it matters but my Dr. is fully aware of what I do. This way when bloodwork comes back he can make an analysis from the things I do.
You're just being stubborn in the fact that you think you know what you're doing and how it works but you haven't gotten a clue. I gifted you a plat. membership and you failed to use this. This tells me you're not intrested in learing how these compounds work.
You need to read, read, read, and read more. Ask questions and fully understand how things work and why BEFORE doing them.
I have given you respect from the time you came on this board but you just know everything already so why are you even asking questions to any of us?
You smoke pot, your diet isn't what it needs to be, you have not fully researched gear and the way it works, you ran a deca only for your first cycle to begin with, you haven't reached your maximum potential naturally, you're too young for aas and you're taking additional prescription meds for other issues.
These are the reasons I am stating that you're not ready for this.
You just found some gear and a site and you think you're ready for everything.
I am not claiming to be an expert, there are many others on this board who have knowledge far beyond mine.
Not that it matters but my Dr. is fully aware of what I do. This way when bloodwork comes back he can make an analysis from the things I do.
You're just being stubborn in the fact that you think you know what you're doing and how it works but you haven't gotten a clue. I gifted you a plat. membership and you failed to use this. This tells me you're not intrested in learing how these compounds work.
You need to read, read, read, and read more. Ask questions and fully understand how things work and why BEFORE doing them.
I have given you respect from the time you came on this board but you just know everything already so why are you even asking questions to any of us?
the elite addict
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Didn't your test results come back with a normal reference range? It would take you 20 seconds on the net to find out that your levels are within normal range.
Start worrying when your AST and ALT are over twice the highest normal numbers.
Deca is pretty easy on the liver. How much are you using?
kidd73
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Chocolate...I agree with you overall, but maybe you're being a bit presumptive. The way these posts read I would say you guys are having a domestic.
zeplin7464
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I smoke pot yes, im sure many people on this site do, you have no idea what my diet even consists of, so that is a horrible argument because it is superb,i have been training naturally for over 4 years now, and i have reached my maximum potential, at least most of it, my training routine is excellent; Im a certified trainer and have over 8 clients a day at a rate of 100$/hr(eg i know what im doing), yes im a little young and realize this, but you have no right putting your two sense into that since i am "21" which is the age u need to be to even ber here, and yes im taking alot of additional prescription meds which i have been for years for necessary reasons which you are unaware of; and ive checked btw, and their is NO interaction between my medication and AAS except for the fact that AAS may have an effect on my mood and somewhat increase strain on my liver. for further info i have been reading up, and researchin AAS for the past 2 years and know more than you think, im just one of those people who like reassurance and input of other's ideas...NOT CRITICISM. thanks for the plat, but you have been givin me shit from the moment i stepped onto this forum, and it still continues. other people give me constructive criticism which is what i want, but you are completely against everything and anything i say. In reality it seems your are not much brighter than me since i have not gotten one piece of solid proven information and or facts from you; all i get in your responses are "things i am doing wrong"....so it really seems you dont have much of a clue either. if you dont have SOLID, FACTUAL information backing your opinions and thoughts on what i am doing or do, or on the questions i ask, please just dont respond. THANK YOU THUNDER!
zeplin7464
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Im using 250/wk and am planning on adding stanazolol 10mg/day for 6 weeks. and yes they are slightly elvated Normal results
Reference ranges vary from laboratory to laboratory and also depend upon the method used. However, normal values can generally be found within the following ranges, unless specified differently.
* ALT: 5-35 IU/L (values for the elderly may be slightly higher, and values also may be higher in men and in African-Americans)
* AST: 0-35 IU/L
Chocolate_Thunder
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Whatever.
First, the reason that I am pointing out what you're doing wrong is simple...SO YOU DON'T DO IT. I pm'ed you before on how to set up a cycle. You just ignored the advice. This is a perfect example, a lot of knoledgeable people tell you not to do something and you basically tell they they have no idea what their talking about.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/ridiculous-603311.html
So am I busting your balls? Yes. My reasoning is simply to try to help every member I can with what I know. If I come off as sounding rude or kurt to you personally I sincerely apologize. The reason I also gave you flack for not using the plat. membership is because after I gave it to you, you were posting stuff in the above link. Anyone who would research this site would find out resons as why NOT to run a deca only cycle for the first time.
I will not post to anything in any thread you personally start from this point forward. This way you can be assured I won't be critical of you and your posts.
Kidd73, you might be right.
I don't care that your a certified trainer and make "X" amount an hour. What does that have to do with AAS knowledge anyhow? You don't have to prove anything to me so why try?
The only thing I find funny is your questioning my aas knowledge as compared to yours. Like I've posted before, there are many on this site with far more experience and knowledge than me, but I know from researching that you don't run deca for a first cycle when ten people tell you not to.
Like I said I sincerely aplogize if you feel that I have attacked you personally, that is not my intention to you or any other member. You have asked for my advice via PM before, I tried to help and you still just did whatever you wanted?
I've never seen such low reference ranges.
AST: 5 - 40 and ALT: 7 - 56 which are more typical reference ranges put you right into normal.
Of course different laboratories have a different idea of what is normal, but the methods used to get the results shouldn't have any influence on what is normal.
zeplin7464
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Whatever.
First, the reason that I am pointing out what you're doing wrong is simple...SO YOU DON'T DO IT. I pm'ed you before on how to set up a cycle. You just ignored the advice. This is a perfect example, a lot of knoledgeable people tell you not to do something and you basically tell they they have no idea what their talking about.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/ridiculous-603311.html
So am I busting your balls? Yes. My reasoning is simply to try to help every member I can with what I know. If I come off as sounding rude or kurt to you personally I sincerely apologize. The reason I also gave you flack for not using the plat. membership is because after I gave it to you, you were posting stuff in the above link. Anyone who would research this site would find out resons as why NOT to run a deca only cycle for the first time.
I will not post to anything in any thread you personally start from this point forward. This way you can be assured I won't be critical of you and your posts.
Kidd73, you might be right.
I don't care that your a certified trainer and make "X" amount an hour. What does that have to do with AAS knowledge anyhow? You don't have to prove anything to me so why try?
The only thing I find funny is your questioning my aas knowledge as compared to yours. Like I've posted before, there are many on this site with far more experience and knowledge than me, but I know from researching that you don't run deca for a first cycle when ten people tell you not to.
Like I said I sincerely aplogize if you feel that I have attacked you personally, that is not my intention to you or any other member. You have asked for my advice via PM before, I tried to help and you still just did whatever you wanted?
I did whatever i wanted because i took advice from someone with not only years and years of AAS experience, but also with a degree in hormone replacement therapy. yes, many people on here told me not to run a deca only cycle, but i decided to listen to someone who actually has crudentials and is not only speaking from their own personal experience as well as from some articles writen on how a deca only cycle is not such a good idea, on bodybuilding websites. I also have seen a good amount of info on the web as well stating that for a first time user, only one AAS should be used and the safest choices are anavar and nandrolone deconate. therefore i took all opinions and information into account and made my decision based on what i def felt was the safest route.
"Steroid Cycles
All potential steroid users should first understand the positive and navigate effects associated with steroid use. If it's your first time, you should probably use only one steroid. The most popular is nandrolone deconate, commonly known as Deca-Durabolin. It is considered to have the best result to side effect ratio. Because it is an anabolic steroid and has no significant androgenic properties, it does not convert to estrogen or DHT. When using a steroid that has high androgenic effects, it is imperative to use an anti-estrogen toward the end of the cycle to prevent side effects associated with extremely high estrogen levels such as gynecomastia. The biggest factors leading to negative side effects is the use of a fake steroid, improper use of a steroid, or not being able to recognize the side effect when it is in its early stages. Please read over the side effects area before using any type of steroid.
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Beginners Deca-Durabolin Cycle
A common one steroid cycle for a novice would be to inject 200-400mg of Deca once per week for 8 weeks. When combined with a healthy high protein diet, a person can expect to put on a good amount of size and strength. The results a person gets are dependent on a few things like diet, exercise routine, and rest. A beginner should start with about 200mg/week, and no more than 400mg/week.(Anabolic Steroids - An Introduction)
For bodybuilding, Deca can effectively be incorporated in both mass and cutting cycles. One major drawback to Deca is that it can be detected in a drug screen for as long as a year after use. Deca durabolin is considered to be the most popular of all steroids. It is an oil based injectable that comes in 100 mg/cc containers. It produces very few side effects. Deca durabolin is easy on the liver and promotes good size and strength gains while reducing body fat. Deca only aromatizes (converts to estrogen) in extreme dosages. It is highly anabolic but only moderately androgenic. Deca durabolin does shut down natural testosterone production, but it is not extreme. Gains will minimally dissipate, if at all, after the cycling period if workouts are kept intense. Usual dose is 200 mg per week with highs ranging 200 mg a day. The average duration is about 2 to 4 month.
There are very few side effects. Blood clotting time is increased so that some people may experience bloody noses when they are dehydrated. Deca durabolin is generally considered by athletes and sports medicine physicians to be the safest and most effective injectable anabolic steroid. Nandrolone decanoate is mildly androgenic and is becoming increasingly popular with women bodybuilders. Although side effects similar to those of other steroids have been reported, the effects are relatively uncommon when compared to other forms of steroids. Nandrolone does not effect the immune system, unlike testosterone! It will not damage connective tissue, i.e. elbows, knees (Big problem amongst heavy steroid users). It does not aromatize easily and gives the body a lean hard look. this is only some of the literature i have come across. So you can now see where i get some my other information in regards to AAS. Everyone has a diff take, but i think i made the right decision when it came to the safest gear, although all gear does have sides.
as much as a lot of people on this board will say this and it is b/c they repeat what they've heard, it isn't neccessarily true. a good amount of old timers and very very experience people that dont' get on "forums" also give advice on deca only first cycles.
not saying there isn't a shit load of good info here, but a lot of people just go by what they have heard and repeat it.
Absolutely nothing wrong with smoking pot. anabolic steroids don't all of a sudden make pot bad for you. If that was the case then I would say stop the steroids and not the pot.
show me any study that wasn't funded by a government group that says pot is bad for you. You won't find one. If you smoke a couple joints a day then your going to have lung issues just like smoking cigarettes, but the cannabis itself is not going to hurt you.
Nothing better than lifting some heavy weights and then sitting down with a bowl of green and enjoying the finer things in life.
Don't bring pot into the discussion!!!!
show me any study that wasn't funded by a government group that says pot is bad for you. You won't find one. If you smoke a couple joints a day then your going to have lung issues just like smoking cigarettes, but the cannabis itself is not going to hurt you.
Nothing better than lifting some heavy weights and then sitting down with a bowl of green and enjoying the finer things in life.
Don't bring pot into the discussion!!!!
i know a large amount of HUGE guys that smoke pot to help appetite issues. i agree it has no effect on aas use.
zeplin7464
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zeplin7464
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another question
im doing a total 12 week cycle; ten weeks deca 250/wk....starting at week 7, i add 10 mg winni/day and keep it running two weeks past last deca injection to try and fight for place in the progesterone receptor, in addition to leaning out a little bit.the third week after the last injection what is your opinion on a good, low side effect pct protocal?
