500mg Testosterone Enanthate Crisis. Need Advice.

[mindstamina]

Okay here is the deal. I am 36 years old, 6'4" tall and 255 pounds. I started weight training six months ago. My gains were decent even with clean dieting but I ended up losing 50 pounds in a year due to me mixing in Boxing and BJJ. I finally decided to go on my first cycle of 500mg Test E for twelve weeks to bulk up with clean dieting and 4000 calories.

I started in late April along with Arimidex at .25 ED but then upped it up to .5 ED since I was getting very bloated.

I had gain 15 pounds while the week was progressing with a bloat but I started noticing muscle growth. People were complimenting my shoulders and arm growth. So in essence everything was okay. However, on my ninth week I received bad news of a death in a family and I had to travel overseas. Obviously I did not want to take any of the Test E with me. But before I got the news and left, I had taken a 250mg for that week.

I was away for three weeks (from week 9 to week twelve) which resulted in me losing most of my gains. As soon as I came back on the 12th week I took 250mg of Test E. I also had blood work done on the twelve week and my total test was 1259 with my free test being 333.6. I have not taken PCT as of yet though I have nolva and clomid on file. It has been a month since my last shot of Test E. I now started tapering at 250mg a week from week twelve till now.

But here is my question. Should I continue to take Test E at 500mg a week for the next eight more weeks while I train and then do PCT two weeks after?

I don't want to feel as if I did that cycle for nothing so maybe if I do eight more weeks than I would still get more from continuing to take it.

 

[rustilldown]

Okay here is the deal. I am 36 years old, 6'4" tall and 255 pounds. I started weight training six months ago. My gains were decent even with clean dieting but I ended up losing 50 pounds in a year due to me mixing in Boxing and BJJ. I finally decided to go on my first cycle of 500mg Test E for twelve weeks to bulk up with clean dieting and 4000 calories.

I started in late April along with Arimidex at .25 ED but then upped it up to .5 ED since I was getting very bloated.

I had gain 15 pounds while the week was progressing with a bloat but I started noticing muscle growth. People were complimenting my shoulders and arm growth. So in essence everything was okay. However, on my ninth week I received bad news of a death in a family and I had to travel overseas. Obviously I did not want to take any of the Test E with me. But before I got the news and left, I had taken a 250mg for that week.

I was away for three weeks (from week 9 to week twelve) which resulted in me losing most of my gains. As soon as I came back on the 12th week I took 250mg of Test E. I also had blood work done on the twelve week and my total test was 1259 with my free test being 333.6. I have not taken PCT as of yet though I have nolva and clomid on file. It has been a month since my last shot of Test E. I now started tapering at 250mg a week from week twelve till now.

But here is my question. Should I continue to take Test E at 500mg a week for the next eight more weeks while I train and then do PCT two weeks after?

I don't want to feel as if I did that cycle for nothing so maybe if I do eight more weeks than I would still get more from continuing to take it.

How did you lose most of your gains in 3 weeks time? That's absurd.
Aside from that I would say take a break keep eating and training hard and then re evaluate and see if you want to run another cycle.

 

[mindstamina]

How did you lose most of your gains in 3 weeks time? That's absurd.
Aside from that I would say take a break keep eating and training hard and then re evaluate and see if you want to run another cycle.

I don't know, unless alot of those gains were water weight. I did gain two inches on my arms and kept half an inch on.

 

[buddhabuilder]

I'll give it to you straight. Six months of weight training and your considering gear? No

 

[mindstamina]

I'll give it to you straight. Six months of weight training and your considering gear? No

I would understand this if I was in my early or mid 20s, but at age 36 I need some extra boost to get the full benefits of weight training. Especially when I was having testosterone ranges in the 400s.

 

[GangstaDogg]

Stop, do proper PCT. Consider doing another cycle later. I know you wanna grow fast, we all do, but you just got to take your time. Cycle didin't go as planned, nevermind, the next one will be better.

 

[Oatmeal12]

I'll give it to you straight. Six months of weight training and your considering gear? No

That is what he said.

 

[Zyglamail]

I would understand this if I was in my early or mid 20s, but at age 36 I need some extra boost to get the full benefits of weight training. Especially when I was having testosterone ranges in the 400s.

First off you dont need AAS to get the full benefits of training. You need to eat, train and rest properly to get the full benefits. AAS is just icing on the cake. Second off mid 400's is a good natural test level for a 36 year old. A lot of guys in their 20's arent even at that.

What you really need to do is be smart about your health and let your system reset. You have already been on high dose test for most of 12 weeks and your asking if you should go for 8 more weeks?

I dont get how you "lost all your gains" either? What is it you are using to judge your gains? weight? How about strength? Were you taking an anti-e during cycle? Doesnt sound like it, sounds like you ballooned up due to excess estrogen.

Anyway, i say you just forgot this thread since its clear you have no interest in whats being told to you. Doesnt sound like you have done your homework and dont have proper PCT lined up etc.

You can lead a horse to water but cant make it drink.

 

[stevesmi]

I would understand this if I was in my early or mid 20s, but at age 36 I need some extra boost to get the full benefits of weight training. Especially when I was having testosterone ranges in the 400s.

you need to build up your conditioning.. you got a late start in life and that is gonna hurt you yes, but looking for a short cut is only gonna lead to injuries and non quality gains which will evaporate anyway off cycle

i cringe when i read posts like this.. i am thinking about your poor ligaments and tendons. do you realize how much strain you put on them when you rush into weightlifting? it takes years to build these up. read around the fitness boards and see how many people bitch about injuries and you will 100% of the time notice its always guys who either use poor form or who push themselves too far because of steroid use or they want a short cut.

you should train naturally for YEARS before even thinking about steroids. i trained 13 years myself before touching hormones..

the fact you are 36 is MORE REASON to wait.. you have your theory backwards.

and as others have said your T levels are fine, stop making excuses. in fact they are tremendous for someone who has barely lifted. as you continue lifting they will go up..

 

[mindstamina]

First off you dont need AAS to get the full benefits of training. You need to eat, train and rest properly to get the full benefits. AAS is just icing on the cake. Second off mid 400's is a good natural test level for a 36 year old. A lot of guys in their 20's arent even at that.

What you really need to do is be smart about your health and let your system reset. You have already been on high dose test for most of 12 weeks and your asking if you should go for 8 more weeks?

I dont get how you "lost all your gains" either? What is it you are using to judge your gains? weight? How about strength? Were you taking an anti-e during cycle? Doesnt sound like it, sounds like you ballooned up due to excess estrogen.

Anyway, i say you just forgot this thread since its clear you have no interest in whats being told to you. Doesnt sound like you have done your homework and dont have proper PCT lined up etc.

You can lead a horse to water but cant make it drink.

I posted on there that I took Arimidex in which I started off at .25 ED and than switch to .5 ED. I've always been one to become easily bloated even when consuming high sodium so I was not surprised that happened. I did kept some gains. Like for example my arms grew about two inches but I kept an inch and a half on there.

I also posted that I have the proper PC. I have Nolva and Clomid which I just started taking today along with DAA and IsaTest natty boosters.

I am starting out with 40 ED of Nolva for one week and then 20 ED for the next three weeks. With Clomid I will stay at 50 ED for the four weeks.

I will just focus on clean dieting and bulking up for the remaining summer, fall and winter and maybe in February of next year I will go back to doing eight weeks of the Test E and then finally cut for the following summer.

 

[mindstamina]

you need to build up your conditioning.. you got a late start in life and that is gonna hurt you yes, but looking for a short cut is only gonna lead to injuries and non quality gains which will evaporate anyway off cycle

i cringe when i read posts like this.. i am thinking about your poor ligaments and tendons. do you realize how much strain you put on them when you rush into weightlifting? it takes years to build these up. read around the fitness boards and see how many people bitch about injuries and you will 100% of the time notice its always guys who either use poor form or who push themselves too far because of steroid use or they want a short cut.

you should train naturally for YEARS before even thinking about steroids. i trained 13 years myself before touching hormones..

the fact you are 36 is MORE REASON to wait.. you have your theory backwards.

and as others have said your T levels are fine, stop making excuses. in fact they are tremendous for someone who has barely lifted. as you continue lifting they will go up..

I get what you're saying. Of course it would be ridiculous for me to wait 13 years before I decided to touch steroids, but I am hoping at least a year and a half of lifting would be fine. I am placing much emphasis on proper form as well.

 

[Zyglamail]

I did kept some gains. Like for example my arms grew about two inches but I kept an inch and a half on there.

For starters, I would be VERY surprised if anyone who has spent any significant amount of time in the gym prior to cycling would put 2" on their arms so that tells me you have very little actual gym time under your belt.

Secondly, one minute you state you lost all of your gains the next you state you kept "some and that "some" is 1.5" out of a 2" gain. Hell, thats 75% which is a hell of a lot more than "SOME".

That beings said one of the biggest reasons people lose gains is because of homeostasis. You body develops a baseline over time and that is where you body strives to stay. Those who are and have been carrying a lot of mass for a long time have a baseline of carrying more mass, they also gain less but lose less when they cycle. The weekend warrior who decides to lift for a few months then run a cycle generally gain a lot and lose a lot when they come off because the body reverts back to whats "normal" for it.

Gaining mass and strength is not a sprint, its a marathon. Those that seek quick fixes are often dissappointed by what they keep, suffer more injuries and burn out because of all the yo-yo-ing that goes on.

 

[stevesmi]

I get what you're saying. Of course it would be ridiculous for me to wait 13 years before I decided to touch steroids, but I am hoping at least a year and a half of lifting would be fine. I am placing much emphasis on proper form as well.

i would wait 3 years minimum.

this gives you a chance to build up a lot of muscle memory and conditioning. your tendons and ligaments will thank you. also it gives you a chance to learn what works for you both with training and diet. everyone is so different that you have to try different strategies to learn what works

if you start too soon you will just end up injured and set yourself back anyway. this is my advice, whether you follow it or not is up to you.. its no different advice i would give to anyone new to this.

someone young i would tell them to wait till 25 to juice.. so if they start lifting at 15 which is the perfect age to start that is 10 years of natural training. i don't see that as being unreasonable at all. i don't believe I would be any further had i started juicing after a year vs. 13 years. heck i might actually be behind.. there are too many other factors to consider

i will say the knowledge i aquired over the years is priceless and you won't get that reading a book or listening to other people. experience trumps anything in this game. thats why i laugh at the youtubers who are giving advice who are 18 or 19. you have zero business at that age giving advice considering you barely even busted your first nut yet. it takes years and years to aquire knowledge, not a few years