3rd goround

[ricohelms]

New here, what's up fellas?
6'2"
195#
15%BF
3 years training
30 years old
total hard gainer

going into third cycle need advise. My other board is to tame to help.

D-Bol 20mg per day weeks 1-4 (oral)
Winstrol 30mg per day weeks 4-8 (oral)
Clen 120mg per day weeks 6-8 and 10-12 (oral)
Clomid post cycle
I know its all oral but oh well.
Will this show any gains or should I up it?

 

[dzulboy]

no offense but with a cycle like that no wonder you "think" u are a hard gainer iwould scrap it or at least add and injectable for the duration of the cycle i'd say sust more then likely or dec

 

[ricohelms]

Its the injection part. Not affraid just don't think my ass is a pin cushion. First cycle had deco and cyp in it but it didn't work to well. Second cycle was all winstrol (oral) .

 

[GawdsGift]

doses are way to low, and i wouldn t not run 2 orals such as winnie and dbal together.; lethal on the liver, honestyl i wouldnt even run a injectable winnie with d bal/.

what is your goal? to gain or cut???

you said you want to gain, and i dont belive in "hard gainers"

drop the clen untill after the cycle.
drop the winne untill spring cutting cycle,

add a test. maybe sust 250 at 250 mg every 5 dasy the very least, with a front load of 750 mg for 3 weeks

and up the d bal to 30 mg for 6 weeks. '
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you'll never say you were a hard gainer again

then to put the icing on the cake.

do clen and anavar post cycle with liquidex and clomid.

YOU'll ove the results.

expensive but so is everythign in life, you just have to ask youself would you rather watch the 55'' plasma TV or the black and white 13 inch..

the odvious answer is the plasma, now pay for it.

 

[thx9000]

Is this supposed to be a mini-bulk transitioning into a cutting cycle? Why not seperate two? I'm not sure you're going to get much out of this.

 

[ricohelms]

My goal is to get to 215 and not look like I got stung by a bee (swollen). Forgive the stupid question but what is front loading. I have been reading this board for a few weeks and I can't figure that part out. Thanks in advance fellas.

 

[DaddyX]

thats a terrible cycle. you only NEED to shoot deca or enanthate once a week which wouldnt make u a pin cushion. i would highly recomend that u use test with the dbol and drop the winny. that cycle will not even come close to giving you 20lbs. hard on the liver and realy just bad. test/dbol will give you those results - maybe. BTW frontloading is is when you say u plan on using 500mg of test for ten weeks. you would then frontload with maybe 1000mg for the first 2 weeks to get it working faster. hope that helped and really make a better plan

 

[jerkbox]

frontloading is taking a higher dose the first few weeks to saturate blood levels initially.

why not inject? what's the big deal?

 

[jerkbox]

and I would agree that this is a bad idea, if you really don't want to inject, you could get some Test suspension sublingual if you could find it....not sure how well that works though. but i know it's out there.

anyway, i don't think you'd see the results you are looking for from what you have planned.

 

[Stillgoing]

First of all: If you are a real true "hard gainer" or more accurately stated: poor genetics for accumulating additional lean muscle mass, then steriods will only help to a limited extent. I have known many of these guys over the years, juice only bloated them up, it didn't add substantial muscle. Hell, its hard enough gaining muscle with good genetics.

Regarding your cycle: with your stats your goals clearly should be to add additional mass and reduce bodyfat. If your going to bother with a cycle, then you need to go to injectables. If you don't want to do that, then don't cycle. Period.

If you do, then run test cyp, enanth or sust at 500mg per week. Run this for 12 weeks. Run dbol weeks 1-4 at 20-25mg ED. If you are eating atleast 350grams of protein and moderate carbs & moderate fats along with proper heavy basic training you should make some progress.

Run clomid after, around week 15. Drop the clen completely.

 

[ricohelms]

I'm not complaining just stating facts.

The pins and any injectables are hard to come by. Orals are simple. I did a cycle of deca and cyp for 10 weeks. 2ml/cc of the deca and 1ml/cc of the test per week and nothing. I think the stuff was Wesson oil in small vails but thats another story.

What do you guys think of ordering the stuff on-line, hoax??

 

[Stillgoing]

I'm not complaining just stating facts.

The pins and any injectables are hard to come by. Orals are simple. I did a cycle of deca and cyp for 10 weeks. 2ml/cc of the deca and 1ml/cc of the test per week and nothing. I think the stuff was Wesson oil in small vails but thats another story.

What do you guys think of ordering the stuff on-line, hoax??

If you live in the US, you can get pins easily. I buy them at the local pharmacy. You can get them online as well. Regarding gear, most bros would advise staying away from online pharmacies. The point of all of this wasn't where to get stuff anyway, it was what you should take. If you don't have access to what has been suggested to you, then you'll have to go another route.

 

[ricohelms]

I have access to the gear. Just need to hook up with bros I havn't seen in a while. Thanks for the advise fellas. I will give it a go and let you know how it works.

Thanks again