I'd prefer to stay away from every other day pinning. Twice a week is plenty, hence the cypionate. Thanks for the heads up on the deca I'll stay away from that. I will also check into those joint support supplements. I came across winstrol when researching and noticed some people had really bad side effects from it so I didn't include it, but I do realize that many people do very well with it for the purpose of cutting and getting rid of water. Only one way to find out how I will react from it I guess lol. Anyway, thanks for the input so far looking forward to seeing what the cycle looks like.