3 Years after 9/11 attacks, are we better off?

[Delinquent]

LOL@stringbean

Here some obvious points that you managed to miss sweetie

(1) There has been no new attack on American soil. I guess "some" people not driven by an agenda might acknowledge that as a "slight" victory. Not as substantive as your point on proper use of the english language, but worth mentioning none the less.

Have you heard of any attempts that have been thwarted? Do you not think that if they are smart enough to plan such an attack as they did on 9-11, they would not be patient enough to plan out another attack at the right time and not when the country is on such a high alert? To say that since nothing has happened is a victory is a ridiculous assumption

(2)A hostile regime in Afghanistan has been removed, and no longer is that country a safe haven for Al Qaeda. Moreover tens of thousands of crazy fundamentalists can no longer travel there freely to be trained as terrorists as they did all throughout the Clinton years.

AFAIK, there are still many Al Qaeda members there. Plus their poppy production has skyrocketed b/c of this. Yay for more heroin!

(3)Thousands of Al Qaeda terrorists have been killed and or captured. And as the President said confirmed by the intelligence agencies of our allies, 75% of its leaders have been killed or captured as well, including many most directly responsible for the attack.

how do you know 75% have been killed and how can you ASSume that they haven't just recruited and promoted new members to the position that they have lost?

(4)Hundreds of millions of their capital has been seized, along with countless sources they regularly used for financing. That is obviously an ongoing effort.

With other terrorist countries financing them, this really is not an issue

(5) We have finally overturned the gutting of the CIA from the Clinton years, and our intelligence agencies are far ahead of where they were prior to September 11. Strange that you complain of the "incompetence" of those agencies , but fail to mention the man most directly responsible for its failure.

Don't know much about this one

I could go on but you get the point.

Oh yeah and the economy has recovered from the Clintion recession, 9/11, and a war in Iraq.

Yeah we're beter off cupcake, even if you don't realize it yourself

That's a pretty subjective statement considering you don't know for a fact that it is true. Allegory of the Cave by Socrates fits you and most americans who believe that perfectly

 

[IwouldSlamU]

ummmm......now we have laws that let the goverment more into our life. "those who sacrfice freedom for security should have neather"-Thomas Jefferson i belive.


its too early to tell, fuck i dont know

 

[jerseyart]

Delinquent. How about seperating your quotes so they don't need to be copied and pasted seperately?

Have you heard of any attempts that have been thwarted? Do you not think that if they are smart enough to plan such an attack as they did on 9-11, they would not be patient enough to plan out another attack at the right time and not when the country is on such a high alert? To say that since nothing has happened is a victory is a ridiculous assumption

Yes, I have. And way to miss the point. They declared war on the US, have made numerous threats of further imminent attacks and have been unsuccessful in launching one to date. The fact that we have not been attacked is not besides the point, it is the point. No one is discounting that there may be another attack in the future. Almost definitely there will be, which is why we are attempting to take apart the group and preemept them before they occure. To claim that the lack of subsequent attacks is immaterial is inane and typical self serving liberal nonsense.

AFAIK, there are still many Al Qaeda members there. Plus their poppy production has skyrocketed b/c of this. Yay for more heroin!

There is a point there? Did anyone claim they were completely dismantled?

how do you know 75% have been killed and how can you ASSume that they haven't just recruited and promoted new members to the position that they have lost?

Killed and catured. And it isn't a "guess", it is based on the best intelligence we and our allies possess. Is it really material whether the figure is 60% or 80%?Significant portions of their leadership have been killed or captured, and much of the rest forced to scatter. I suggest you are simply looking for things to complain about. No one has declared total victory, but to claim we arent far ahead of the do nothign Clinton years is insane.

With other terrorist countries financing them, this really is not an issue

Which countries are finacing them. Please provide evidence

That's a pretty subjective statement considering you don't know for a fact that it is true. Allegory of the Cave by Socrates fits you and most americans who believe that perfectly

No it reflects the lack of an agenda. Your point only makes sense based on some mythical standard of perfection which detractors on both sides conveniently take out whenever they wish to hem and haw about nothing. We are measurably better off for the reasons stated.Your statement reflects nothing but hyperbole

 

[velvett]

Well, Bush says Iraq is a "catastrophic success" which is an oxymoron, but we don't expect the president to have mastered the English language.

I bet he think irregardless is a proper word too.

 

[Delinquent]

Delinquent. How about seperating your quotes so they don't need to be copied and pasted seperately?



Yes, I have. And way to miss the point. They declared war on the US, have made numerous threats of further imminent attacks and have been unsuccessful in launching one to date. The fact that we have not been attacked is not besides the point, it is the point. No one is discounting that there may be another attack in the future. Almost definitely there will be, which is why we are attempting to take apart the group and preemept them before they occure. To claim that the lack of subsequent attacks is immaterial is inane and typical self serving liberal nonsense.

Maybe I missed that on the news but when did they announce that they had successfully stopped an attack? My brain is pretty fried so maybe I did miss it. If they have not announced this, how do you know the reason why we have not had an attack is b/c their efforts have failed? I fail to see your logic in that

There is a point there? Did anyone claim they were completely dismantled?

You statement appeared that what we have done in Afghan has been positive when the area has possible become worse due to the "gangs" that have revived the poppy production. Al Queda stopped this because they didn't believe in the production of such things. I may be wrong here and I don't have the proof. it's something I saw or read I can't remember.

Killed and catured. And it isn't a "guess", it is based on the best intelligence we and our allies possess. Is it really material whether the figure is 60% or 80%?Significant portions of their leadership have been killed or captured, and much of the rest forced to scatter. I suggest you are simply looking for things to complain about. No one has declared total victory, but to claim we arent far ahead of the do nothign Clinton years is insane.

Don't turn this into a political thing b/c I'm neither Dem nor Pub. Try and think in terms of military strategy. If an officer is KIA, someone is promoted to that position to take the responsiblities. Why wouldn't an organization such as the one OBL commands not do this?

Which countries are finacing them. Please provide evidence

I can't provide evidence but I'm sure someone else could as Syria, SA, etc have long been known to support terrorism

 

[onebigab]

(5) We have finally overturned the gutting of the CIA from the Clinton years, and our intelligence agencies are far ahead of where they were prior to September 11. Strange that you complain of the "incompetence" of those agencies , but fail to mention the man most directly responsible for its failure.




Gutting is a good start. But I feel that the main reason why they were succesful in there attack was because our intelligence agencies do not share intel to each other. Until they start doing this I think we will always be vulnerable to another attack.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Life is good for those who were supposed to stop 9/11.

Their budgets are up and they enjoy carte blanche to do as they please.

A couple more years and they will have keys to our homes so searches are more convenient. This is good as they they can only determine a limited amount while perusing our hard drives and reading our emails.

So it depends on who you are.

 

[Volatile]

(5) our intelligence agencies are far ahead of where they were prior to September 11. Strange that you complain of the "incompetence" of those agencies , but fail to mention the man most directly responsible for its failure.

These the same intelligence agencies that the Bush Admin is now trying to pass the buck to for the bad Iraq intelligence?

 

[PBR]

Halliburton is much better off. The Oil industry is doing splendid. Military contractors are making a killing. Big business is loving the tax cuts.

Are you better off?

What makes you think the President or his administration gives a fuck about you?

couldnt have said it better myself....Karma to you...
I dont know, have you flown anywhere lately???