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2pac was a dipshit

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Just watched some stupid 'pac tribute movie. I never have liked this guy's rap before (and I love rap), but now I dislike it more. although the movie sucked his dick the whole film, it claimed that 'pac was never much of a thug while growing up, kinda quiet. he started becoming a thug after the movie juice...he couldn't leave the character on the screen, he wanted to be a thug in real life...what a poser.

plus his rythm style is mad annoying, notice how he stresses the last syllable of each word..."henneSEY" "eneMIES"
 
Gambino said:
Just watched some stupid 'pac tribute movie. I never have liked this guy's rap before (and I love rap), but now I dislike it more. although the movie sucked his dick the whole film, it claimed that 'pac was never much of a thug while growing up, kinda quiet. he started becoming a thug after the movie juice...he couldn't leave the character on the screen, he wanted to be a thug in real life...what a poser.

plus his rythm style is mad annoying, notice how he stresses the last syllable of each word..."henneSEY" "eneMIES"

I used to feel the same way about pac after finding all that out...and still do in some ways, but i think you really have to listen to him from the start of his career to the end to really understand.

His early music was all political/influential/concious type rap......Personally this was when i thought he was at his best. When he was in Juice and played Bishop, i think he saw potential in that character and mentality. That's when he changed to that whole "thug life" bullshit. It was good in it's own right but a completel transformation of who he was and what he stood for.

2pac was a very smart man and i think he knew it was a front and that it would sell.Maybe being connected to suge knight got to his head as well, who knows...but i think the former was predominant. Not very different from all the thug wannabes now a days who talk about this and that on record but of course it never hapened.
. 2pac just pulled it off the best. It also helped that he got shot on two separate occasions and went to jail on another...that just fueled the public perception and his own mentality of a thug life.


I hated 2pac for awhile but after listening to his really early stuff i tend to believe there's a bigger picture than as the public perceives.

What i do hate though is how people who don't know shit about hip hop/rap glorify him as a thug or the greatest rapper ever when they know nothing about his life. 99% of people who talk about him fit into this category

btw gambino, i listen to the same type of hip hop you do but I still acknowledge pac for what he was.
 
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I personally respect him as an artist. Some of his music is pretty good, but I don't walk around listening to his cds with my walkman...

It is just the opposite for me : meaning that when I watch the "behind the music" or the "untold Story," I usually end up respecting the artist even more:you see their struggles and what they endured to become what they were/ are in their peak.
I actually think that I did see that show you are talking about, or one like it.
 
good points the both of you...maybe i should check out some of pac's post digi underground shite...i never really listened to his earlier stuff.

biggie, nas, pac, jigga...all these guys are always considered the "best" rapper. i just don't get it. I like all of them (minus pac) and have their discs, but I never thought they were the best. everyone dick rides on these dudes. so many good spitters get left out. Redman, Ghostface, Jeru, Pharycde...these are some of the few that I think are the "best"
 
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good points the both of you...maybe i should check out some of pac's post digi underground shite...i never really listened to his earlier stuff.

biggie, nas, pac, jigga...all these guys are always considered the "best" rapper. i just don't get it. I like all of them (minus pac) and have their discs, but I never thought they were the best. everyone dick rides on these dudes. so many good spitters get left out. Redman, Ghostface, Jeru, Pharycde...these are some of the few that I think are the "best"

All those guys suck ass... Rakim and Big Daddy Kane would make them their bitches.
 
hes a good artist in my opinion, his shit can be annoying. are you talking about resurrection? that movie basically showed how much of a dumbass he was. he couldnt keep his mouth shut. hes a big hypocrite. for example hes say shit like im going to heaven yet hes killed ppl. he also said he loves the women in his life but in his songs he calls them bitches. he says one thing and does another. best rapper of all time in my opinion, he just couldnt keep his mouth shut and it was his downfall.
 
as i said i again and explained to yall how he and biggir both got put 6 feet under...story is quite boring acutally...mtv and liek BET want to make big deal out of it so to make sell records or just think rap is important aspect of american society

i think i could tupac and biggie
 
i agree they all suck
 
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Gambino said:
Just watched some stupid 'pac tribute movie. I never have liked this guy's rap before (and I love rap), but now I dislike it more. although the movie sucked his dick the whole film, it claimed that 'pac was never much of a thug while growing up, kinda quiet. he started becoming a thug after the movie juice...he couldn't leave the character on the screen, he wanted to be a thug in real life...what a poser.

You don't know Pac, you never will.

It's the outsiders who only now can judge the man and who will never see the forest for the trees.

I've followed his career from way back in '90 w/ Digital Underground all the way through his last recordings ala the 'Makaveli' period. He had a hard life as a young child, trying circumstances (absentee father/crack-addict mother), and even though he did do crime, he never claimed to be a saint. He was constantly at odds with himself, with others, with society, with life itself and he only found true peace when he died. Prophetically, he knew he'd die as he lived, hard and fast.........he knew he wasn't meant to live past 30 and it really showed in his music, the urgency with which he lived and he tried, despite his shortcomings to spread a positive message to the youth, in order to help them avoid a life of pain, regret and tragedy.

Please, don't judge Pac for one song, or one movie........judge him based on his whole works, his entire soul and his message. I believe in my heart that he wanted a better life, but he just didn't have the means, the will, nor the time to make that happen. If you truly listen to his words, his final means were to make things better for people, but it just was far too late for him to turn back.

By '96 he was heavily in to the street life, cliqued w/ the Mob Piru Bloods (LA) and was living STR8 Gutter, and it was the gang affiliations that ultimately led to his demise. He foretold of such in his lyrics, multiple times......

"I've been shot and murdered, can't tell you how it happened word for word, but best believe that niggaz gonna what they deserve" (2pac/Richie Rich - Niggaz Done Changed).

“while I reside inside a paradox called My Block, though gunshots is promised to me, when will I stop?” (2pac/Nuttso – Ghetto Star).

Ultimately, when I think of Pac, I feel regret over the loss of the poet, statesman, artist and one of the truest revolutionaries in the rap game. He had the power to unite, divide and polarize people with this words and music. I don’t judge him, as I don’t feel it’s my place, nor my volition to criticize his actions after the fact. Pac was true and always spoke from the heart, no filters, no bullshit, no repentance…….and you have to respect that. Through all the ‘Thug Life’ bravado, I learned that there was much more to him than that street commando image he portrayed, the man had heart. That’s the Pac I’ll remember.






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Gambino said:
div, please remove 2pac's cock from your mouth

Did you create this thread for the sole purpose of getting a reaction?

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Do you just not have a clue about the man?


There's nothing you can say about him that will change my opinion, if you don't like his flow that's one thang, but to call him names only makes you look bad, Gambino.



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to really understand these guys -- you gotta realie where they came from and how they grew up. Most did not grow up with silver spoons in thier mouths.

Instead of thugs - i look at them as success stories who traded in the gun for a life of fame, music and creativity.
 
DIVISION said:
Did you create this thread for the sole purpose of getting a reaction?

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Do you just not have a clue about the man?


There's nothing you can say about him that will change my opinion, if you don't like his flow that's one thang, but to call him names only makes you look bad, Gambino.



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I created this thread to express my opinion about dude...i don't see how I can't know him like you do. his flow is subpar in my eyes, he was a studio gangsta, that is obivious
 
Gambino said:
I created this thread to express my opinion about dude...i don't see how I can't know him like you do. his flow is subpar in my eyes, he was a studio gangsta, that is obivious


listen to his music more then you will hear his flow, BIG was a better rhymer, Tupac was a better star
 
Gambino said:
I created this thread to express my opinion about dude...i don't see how I can't know him like you do. his flow is subpar in my eyes, he was a studio gangsta, that is obivious

You're making judgements based on speculation, that's obvious.

Studio gangstas don't get shot in real life, because they shy away from trouble. Pac didn't shy away from shit and that's why he was killed, he didn't know when to walk away...



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DIVISION said:
You're making judgements based on speculation, that's obvious.

Studio gangstas don't get shot in real life, because they shy away from trouble. Pac didn't shy away from shit and that's why he was killed, he didn't know when to walk away...



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lots of people get shot. does that make them a gangster? Circumstances don't dictate if someone is a gangster or not.
I know pac's career as much as you do but your opinion is biased.

he tried to live into that life after the fact, but once you're rich and famous it's stupid and redundant. You can't just make sure yourself change as such

the whole idea of "thug life" is to do whatever you have to do to survive.
whether it's killing or selling drugs or whatever you gotta do. If you're living that way when you're rich and famous you're either a wannabe or just ignorant.

If you want thug life, listen to cormega.....he doesn't glorify it like most rappers but tells it like it is and everything that comes with it.
 
calveless wonder said:
lots of people get shot. does that make them a gangster? Circumstances don't dictate if someone is a gangster or not.
I know pac's career as much as you do but your opinion is biased.

I'm basing my opinion on countless accounts from friends of his, acquaintances, interviews of people he worked with.........basically as wide a perspective as possible.

Yes he was affiliated with the Mob Piru Bloods, that's established. They beat down a member of the rival Crips when Pac and crew were in Vegas to attend the Tyson/Seldon fight and Pac's shooting was retaliation for that.

That's not studio gangsta........that's about as real as you can get.



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DIVISION said:
I'm basing my opinion on countless accounts from friends of his, acquaintances, interviews of people he worked with.........basically as wide a perspective as possible.

Yes he was affiliated with the Mob Piru Bloods, that's established. They beat down a member of the rival Crips when Pac and crew were in Vegas to attend the Tyson/Seldon fight and Pac's shooting was retaliation for that.

That's not studio gangsta........that's about as real as you can get.



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Hiding behind suge knight and his associates does not make you real.

that's like the really skinny kid in a fraternity of jacked up juiceheads acting hard because he know they have their back.


i use that example because that was me 3 years ago lol
 
calveless wonder said:
Hiding behind suge knight and his associates does not make you real.

From the outside it probably looks like that, but I've heard too many stories about Pac and how he operated behind closed doors....Several times he and the Outlawz/Dogg Pound beat up people for various reasons. From what other people say, Pac was the ringleader in these "beatings", not merely a participant. I'm sure Suge had an influence on Pac, but the "THUG" in Pac was always there........remember "THUGLIFE" came way before he joined Deathrow Records. If anything, Suge Knight and Deathrow only enhanced and accentuated Pac's Thug Nature.




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EnderJE said:
Chuck D. KRSOne. Misha Mee. Ice T. Old school. Not any of this "new" old school shit.

KRS-1 was the shit. Chuck D is the man too. I used to like Epmd too. New rap sucks canine anal sweat. It seems the most illiterate and untalented are rewarded now.
 
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