2nd Cycle

[Apczone]

5'6"
170
28 years old

I ran a 10 week cycle of test E 250 last year with very good results. I wanted to up the dose some and landed with a blend of 200 test e/200 test c with 50mg var.

2 questions...

1. I was told this would be a great cutting stack with a calorie deficit. Just want to double check.

2. How much more painful should the pin be? The 250 last year left me a little sore but not awful. I pinned the blend on Sunday and I'm still walking with a small limp and in a good amount of pain. Is that normal?

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

5'6"
170
28 years old

I ran a 10 week cycle of test E 250 last year with very good results. I wanted to up the dose some and landed with a blend of 200 test e/200 test c with 50mg var.

2 questions...

1. I was told this would be a great cutting stack with a calorie deficit. Just want to double check.

2. How much more painful should the pin be? The 250 last year left me a little sore but not awful. I pinned the blend on Sunday and I'm still walking with a small limp and in a good amount of pain. Is that normal?

1) The steroids you use don't have much to do with your ability to cut, as long as a proper AI is used.

2) It depends on the gear and the amount of BA/BB in it.

3) Your diet should be clean, consider a modified CKD/Bodyopus or the anabolic diet.

If you have the gear already, here's a good cycle:
200 test e/200 test c EW 1-12
50mgs var ED 1-6
D-spark 1 cap ED
HCGenerate ES - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/1 PM
N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM
arimidex - 0.25mgs ED

PCT: 4 weeks
Kick-start with HCGenerate regular - 2 caps AM/2 post workout (2 weeks)
Clomid 50/25/25/25
N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM
arimidex - 0.25mgs EOD (2 weeks)
arimidex - 0.25mgs E3D (1 week)


*keep letrozole on hand with HCG

 

[RickRock13]

1) as said above, your diet and training will dictate your results.

2) There shouldn't be much of a difference in pip with your blend vs the enanthate you ran before. What gauge and length needle are you using?

 

[Apczone]

My diet is on point for the most part. Slip once in a while but not often at all.

The needle is the same as the first cycle. But there is A LOT more pain this time. I run a business and have been driving around a lot this week. So I've been sitting on it for many hours. My last pin I was up moving around a lot. Could that be it? Sounds weird but I don't know what else it might be

 

[burnthiscorpse]

1) The steroids you use don't have much to do with your ability to cut, as long as a proper AI is used.

2) It depends on the gear and the amount of BA/BB in it.

3) Your diet should be clean, consider a modified CKD/Bodyopus or the anabolic diet.

If you have the gear already, here's a good cycle:
200 test e/200 test c EW 1-12
50mgs var ED 1-6
D-spark 1 cap ED
HCGenerate ES - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/1 PM
N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM
arimidex - 0.25mgs ED

PCT: 4 weeks
Kick-start with HCGenerate regular - 2 caps AM/2 post workout (2 weeks)
Clomid 50/25/25/25
N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM
arimidex - 0.25mgs EOD (2 weeks)
arimidex - 0.25mgs E3D (1 week)


*keep letrozole on hand with HCG

that is about as spot on as you can get right there ^^^^^^^.

I would only add one thing.....DAA in your pct. I'm finding out right now how awesome DAA is myself.

as for the cycle I don't like long ester test to cut with. No matter the ai your still going to hold some water. but regardless, make sure you split the injects. .5 ml twice a week. don't pin all 400 mg at once. that's part of the pain issue if that's what your doing.

and wolf, do you think the adex on cycle might be a bit heavy going ed with the dspark in there since it has some estrogen controlling properties itself? I like to say e3d with the ai then go eod or ed as needed.

 

[Apczone]

I just rubbed my ass and its rock hard and as big around as a softball. It's not raised but hard.... That's not good is it...?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

is it really hot? do you have a fever?

even when there isnt an issue , high concentration gear can leave a nasty lump. thats why you always do multiple injects and try to avoid high concentration aas. id never get anything made to more that 300mg/ml. some of those t400/t500 blends are real harsh.

 

[Apczone]

It's not hot but I have been running a little fever with the chills the last 24 hours. Also a little achy. I pinned on Monday.

 

[Apczone]

This is a 400 blend. 200 test e and 200 test c. Should I only shoot .5 ml?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

This is a 400 blend. 200 test e and 200 test c. Should I only shoot .5 ml?

yes. you shoot .5ml like mon/thurs or whatever. keeps a much better hormone balance. not to mention I personally would never shoot that high concentration of gear. I know a lot of guys do it but imho its asking for trouble.

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

and wolf, do you think the adex on cycle might be a bit heavy going ed with the dspark in there since it has some estrogen controlling properties itself? I like to say e3d with the ai then go eod or ed as needed.

Good point my friend. From working with clients over the years, I found that the majority of people are very sensitive to estrogenic sides (over 70%), so since we are on a forum and can't diagnose every member - I tend to be very cautious with under-use of AIs. I pitch a bit more just to be on the safe side.

IMHO most of the 'gyno' threads that pop up here are because AIs weren't employed properly during the cycle and later the person has to suffer with letro etc.

 

[notjake11]

I agree with Wolf - I would err on the side of too much AI rather than too little. If you start high and feel sides of low estrogen you can lower the dose and there will be little long term issues. If you start too low and develop gyno that's a problem that can stick around for a while and is not so easy to deal with. I read too many people here who commonly talk about "my gyno" as though it's just something they accept as part of doing AAS and I don't want to end up with that problem.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

yeah I suppose you could start a tad high and back off. But you have to be able to decipher the feelings of too much AI. You'lll feel like shit. Your joints will ache ect.

I'm very thankful that other than water retention I'm in the lucky crowd who aren't gyno susceptible.

 

[Apczone]

My isn't nearly as sore today. But the harness seemed to spread.

 

[fixerman]

If you had good results at 250mgs/week, why up the dose?

 

[Apczone]

This afternoon it's red and a little warm....
Doesn't hurt as bad though...

It was what I had available. And I wanted to add var (I know that has nothing to do with test, just saying)

 

[fixerman]

I say less is more, no need to up the dose.

 

[Apczone]

Should I be worried about the red and warmth?

 

[Apczone]

Bump