2nd cycle touch ups

[krishna]

First cycle was 250-375 mg of sust for 10 weeks. HCG and Nolva PCT.
Went from 200 to 228. Now I've cut some bf (down to 10%) and am steady at 222. Not bad for a first cycle eh?
Anyway, I wouldn't mind gaining some more lean muscle, but I want to start cutting like crazy. Need input on prospective 2nd cycle:

375 mg/wk test weeks 1-10
75 eod tren ace weeks 1-6
winny weeks 6-10 (not sure about doses for winny yet).

I was thinking about stacking this with 300-400 mg/wk of eq, but I'm an advocate of progressive stacks (starting light and adding a little more each cycle). Should I leave out the eq? I would bag the winny and run tren ace for 10 weeks, but I hear that's not a good idea. That was my first choice.

PCT: HCG as needed, nolva, dostinex

 

[shamrock11]

That looks ok. I would do this though.

EQ 500MG WK1-12
Tren 75mg eod 1-6
Winny 50mg ed wk 7-12

Then normal pct

 

[krishna]

That looks ok. I would do this though.

EQ 500MG WK1-12
Tren 75mg eod 1-6
Winny 50mg ed wk 7-12

Then normal pct

What about the test?

 

[Bruce]

i would run the eq or test at 12 weeks as shamrock stated, and i agree with him in every other regard as well, looks like a good lay out. eq will be more quality gains and no sides. test more sides but people live and die by it. i personally don't use it, but may try a light dose of test with my eq and tbol. i feel eq and deca are better than test as long as you can get your dick up, and i can take 600 deca a week and still fuck with no test so it ain't no thing but chicken wing. if you do go with eq over test have a little test around in case your libido goes away completely

 

[krishna]

i would run the test 12 weeks as shamrock stated, and i agree with him in every other regard as well, looks like a good lay out. good luck

Ok you guys don't think adding the EQ is too much for a second cycle? I really want to try it so if you guys think it's cool then I'm in. Shammy didn't say anything about the test so I wasn't sure if he was including it.

 

[pentatonic]

I think something as simple as Test/Win or Eq/Win would be a good 2nd cycle. I don't see a whole lot of benefit by using 4 compounds when it's only like a 2nd or 3rd cycle.

 

[ruggermu]

That's close to what I'm planning for my third. Here's what I came up with

1-9 test prop 50/day
1-6 tren 50/day
6-9 winny 50 day(orally)

Just a suggestion since you wanted a winny dose.

 

[Tux]

I like the EQ, and I also prefer to save my heavy test for bulking. I'd run eq 400/week for 10-12 weeks. Tren the first 6, winny the last 4-6. Run the winny 2-3 weeks past the EQ to let it clear, then start PCT the day after winny stops. Personally I like combining lower doses of several steroids, I see nothing wrong with it. Eq will not give him much sides, if he gets any they can be combated with nolva. Tren sides, very unlikely prolactin or progesterone will be a problem at his dosage, even if it were he could have dostinex. Winny, no sides that you'll need to combat. Really, it's a nice stack for cutting, will get you lean and HARD, vascular to boot. If you don't need the test, you don't have to run it, though you may want an HRT amount just for libido.

 

[DIVISION]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


500 mg/wk Test weeks 1-10
75 eod Tren weeks 4-10
50mg ed Winstrol weeks 1-10


That's progressive.





DIV

 

[krishna]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


500 mg/wk Test weeks 1-10
75 eod Tren weeks 4-10
50mg ed Winstrol weeks 1-10


That's progressive.





DIV

So bag the EQ? I'm pretty set on at least some dose of test. I still want to run tren 10 weeks with the test. Just waiting for someone to say it's cool for a second cycle...haha. What if I ran low doses of test and 400 eq, bagged the winny, and ran tren the last 6 weeks? The first thing i'd rather bag is the winny if possible.

 

[wellbilt]

id run eq and winny ,should give you nice solid gains
eq 600mg wk1-12
win 50mg day wk8-14
start pct after last day of winny
just my 2

 

[krishna]

So many different opinions got my head spinnin. Ok guys, I'm pretty set on the tren and at least some dose of test (even if minimal to keep test functioning for overall health). I need to build on this base.

 

[DIVISION]

So bag the EQ? I'm pretty set on at least some dose of test. I still want to run tren 10 weeks with the test. Just waiting for someone to say it's cool for a second cycle...haha. What if I ran low doses of test and 400 eq, bagged the winny, and ran tren the last 6 weeks? The first thing i'd rather bag is the winny if possible.

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


500 mg/wk Test weeks 1-10
75 eod Tren weeks 1-10
50mg ed Winstrol weeks 1-10

Choose the EQ or the Test......you can't have both!

You want to stay progessive, without overkill.

I'm the same way, I don't stack more than 3 compounds in any cycle.....yet.




DIV

 

[wellbilt]

i thnink the tren is a big jump being this is only your 3 cycle ,thats just me
i am alittle skerd of tren
i believe in the progressive cycle thing too personally i would run test and eq if your set on the test, you could throw the winny in for the last 4-6 weeks ,save the tren for another rainy day,you should be able to make gret gaimns on a moderately dosed test eq cycle
just a thought bro be safe

 

[tatman3177]

I think something as simple as Test/Win or Eq/Win would be a good 2nd cycle. I don't see a whole lot of benefit by using 4 compounds when it's only like a 2nd or 3rd cycle.

ya youll be useing three to four compunds but actually ar any one time it will only be two to three.
but this is also my second cycle except ill be usin omna for my test.
krishna do it like shamrock said. or
500mg wk test 1-12
50-75 mg ed tren 1-7
50-75mg ed winny 7-14
pct day after last winny dose. you run the winny two weeks after the test so the day after you can start pct. id say leave the eq for next cause it can increase appitite therfore heading towards bulkin rather than cuttin. but still your diet will determine bulk or cut. good luck bro

 

[krishna]

ya youll be useing three to four compunds but actually ar any one time it will only be two to three.
but this is also my second cycle except ill be usin omna for my test.
krishna do it like shamrock said. or
500mg wk test 1-12
50-75 mg ed tren 1-7
50-75mg ed winny 7-14
pct day after last winny dose. you run the winny two weeks after the test so the day after you can start pct. id say leave the eq for next cause it can increase appitite therfore heading towards bulkin rather than cuttin. but still your diet will determine bulk or cut. good luck bro

Shamrock said EQ and not test. Ya there will be no time that I will ever be using 4 compounds at the same time; I don't want to do that. I initially wanted to stick with just two total overall (test and tren). DIVISION seems to love winny so maybe there's something to that also. You're cycle looks in the same ballpark as mine. When do you start? Maybe we can compare stats during our cycles to help eachother out. I start at the beginning of July.

 

[krishna]

Another thing is that access to winny isn't that great for me.

 

[Bruce]

go with eq 400-600 a week and 250-500 of test for 12 weeks, thats my next though i am starting with tbol, i agree save tren for later. i think i will use tren maybe 4th or 5th cycle, the lighter ones are working too good right now

 

[krishna]

go with eq 400-600 a week and 250-500 of test for 12 weeks, thats my next though i am starting with tbol, i agree save tren for later. i think i will use tren maybe 4th or 5th cycle, the lighter ones are working too good right now

Ya I thought about this one too. The only reason why I didn't commit was because I'm aiming to start cuttin.

 

[Bruce]

ok why don't u run eq for 12 with var the last 4-5 weeks 50mg ed. eq at 400 a week. that would rip you up. i am a believer now that a tiny dose of test is always necessary cause it is what your body uses to promote strength so if you are shutdown you need some test, though i just did deca no test and loved it, i am taking into consideration that theory about test that was posted a week ago, "if you want the best u must use test" if i find it to be wrong i will drop the test. but i actually think i am only gonna use about 100 test a week just so i have normal levels. 600 of eq. use winny if you want dog, but it fucked my joints up, var next time

 

[krishna]

ok why don't u run eq for 12 with var the last 4-5 weeks 50mg ed. eq at 400 a week. that would rip you up. i am a believer now that a tiny dose of test is always necessary cause it is what your body uses to promote strength so if you are shutdown you need some test, though i just did deca no test and loved it, i am taking into consideration that theory about test that was posted a week ago, "if you want the best u must use test" if i find it to be wrong i will drop the test. but i actually think i am only gonna use about 100 test a week just so i have normal levels. 600 of eq. use winny if you want dog, but it fucked my joints up, var next time

Ya I'm with you on the test, that's why I insist on having at least some dose in my cycle. Var doesn't seem very economical to me. I mean I suppose it's decent stuff, but for the price, hardly seems worth it. I know tren is pretty hardcore, but I'm drawn to it for some reason. Sounds badass from all the research I've done. So many different opinions. I'll have to think about this one.

 

[DIVISION]

DIVISION seems to love winny so maybe there's something to that also.

Winny is a staple of all my cycles......I love it, the only negative side I get from it is lowered HDL, but I take in EFA's for that, and also take Zocor for total cholesterol.



DIV

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


500 mg/wk Test weeks 1-10
75 eod Tren weeks 1-10
50mg ed Winstrol weeks 1-10

Choose the EQ or the Test......you can't have both!

You want to stay progessive, without overkill.

I'm the same way, I don't stack more than 3 compounds in any cycle.....yet.




DIV

Yea 3 compounds for 2nd cycle is enuff

 

[krishna]

I've also been looking into tbol. If I substituted that for something, should I run it at the beginning, end, or all the way through?