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2nd Cycle - Problems Breathing...

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I started my 2nd cycle last week of

200mg Prop week
500mg enth week
20mg Dbol ED

Last week I had the Test Flu bad... still a lil but not as bad... but I've noticed that I've been breathing really heavy. I don't remember being like this on my 1st cycle. This girl that slept over the other night actually said I was like wheezing and breathing weird.

Does this ever happen to anyone else?

I've also go this dry cough - feels like i'm going to cough up my lung and not really any flem or anything is coming up.

Should I get my BP checked? Would that be maybe while I'm breathing heavy? I'm sitting at my desk at work all day and I'm still breathing weird.

Thansk!
 
u NV me said:
I started my 2nd cycle last week of

200mg Prop week
500mg enth week
20mg Dbol ED

Last week I had the Test Flu bad... still a lil but not as bad... but I've noticed that I've been breathing really heavy. I don't remember being like this on my 1st cycle. This girl that slept over the other night actually said I was like wheezing and breathing weird.

Does this ever happen to anyone else?

I've also go this dry cough - feels like i'm going to cough up my lung and not really any flem or anything is coming up.

Should I get my BP checked? Would that be maybe while I'm breathing heavy? I'm sitting at my desk at work all day and I'm still breathing weird.

Thansk!
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This happened to me on my last big test cycle. It was the exact same thing. My g.f. said that I was breathing funny when I slept. I figured that I wasn't getting enough arimidex to keep my b.p. down.
 
Last week I had the Test Flu bad... still a lil but not as bad... but I've noticed that I've been breathing really heavy. I don't remember being like this on my 1st cycle. This girl that slept over the other night actually said I was like wheezing and breathing weird.

heavy androgens (like dbol) can cause airway restriction, which can drastically cut your aerobic output. you also sound like you have the beginnings of sleep apnea- or cessation of breath while you sleep. the tissues in your upper airway swell w/ the added androgens and water retention, causing your airway to narrow (and close at times) during sleep. in your case, this is completely steroid-related (i never had problems w/ it until i started juicing), and it will go away when you get off-cycle. just use milder steroids/androgens that don't aromatize- your body can't handle what you are taking right now, and you will be miserable during this entire cycle from lack of sleep, and you will freak out every chick that spends the night w/ you- they will think that you are dying in your sleep. use deca (400 mg/wk) + a little test (like 200 mg/wk) or primo + a little test- i don't know who recommends these type of doses for 1st and 2nd cycles (but i have seen this recommended on a TON of posts)- but it is way too high and the side effects will make you completely miserable- it's not worth the side effects- i know from experience- i have done steroids for 5 years and have gone through all of this- and i wish i had someone tell me the same thing (no that i would have listened,lol). not trying to tell you your business, but less is better in your case- b/c what you are taking has COMPLETELY thrown your body out of whack.
 
drl said:
Last week I had the Test Flu bad... still a lil but not as bad... but I've noticed that I've been breathing really heavy. I don't remember being like this on my 1st cycle. This girl that slept over the other night actually said I was like wheezing and breathing weird.

heavy androgens (like dbol) can cause airway restriction, which can drastically cut your aerobic output. you also sound like you have the beginnings of sleep apnea- or cessation of breath while you sleep. the tissues in your upper airway swell w/ the added androgens and water retention, causing your airway to narrow (and close at times) during sleep. in your case, this is completely steroid-related (i never had problems w/ it until i started juicing), and it will go away when you get off-cycle. just use milder steroids/androgens that don't aromatize- your body can't handle what you are taking right now, and you will be miserable during this entire cycle from lack of sleep, and you will freak out every chick that spends the night w/ you- they will think that you are dying in your sleep. use deca (400 mg/wk) + a little test (like 200 mg/wk) or primo + a little test- i don't know who recommends these type of doses for 1st and 2nd cycles (but i have seen this recommended on a TON of posts)- but it is way too high and the side effects will make you completely miserable- it's not worth the side effects- i know from experience- i have done steroids for 5 years and have gone through all of this- and i wish i had someone tell me the same thing (no that i would have listened,lol). not trying to tell you your business, but less is better in your case- b/c what you are taking has COMPLETELY thrown your body out of whack.
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I'm planning on dropping the Prop and the Dbol off after the 4th week.... will that help at all?
 
i'd drop the prop now, the enth should be kicking in any day....do not up the dose on the enth either,
 
Please don't 'tough-out' anything related to your lungs or heart. If it becomes worse, you may die from it. It is not just soreness that you can 'tough out'.
You have to listen to your body when it is trying to tell you something.

Wheezing and dry cough are also signs of allergy and asthma. May be you should see your doctor to make it sure nothing else is wrong.
 
So from reading most of the responses it sounds like Dbol is the main culperate.... Since I'm only doin like 20mg ED - then it would be pointless to try a lower dosage huh?

So if i drop the DBol right away - how fast do you guys think i should see my breathing return to normal?
 
Posted by Drl---------Idon't know who recommends these type of doses for 1st and 2nd cycles (but i have seen this recommended on a TON of posts)- but it is way too high and the side effects will make you completely miserable- it's not worth the side effects- i know from experience-

First of all DRL thanks for the informative post......Realy...now i will Respectfully disagree and flame you for saying a total of 700 mg of test and 20 mg dbol aday...is WAY TOO MUCH FOR A 2nd cycle......how in hell do you know that.....what if im 250 lbs at 12 % is that too much for me....actually no ....at the 2nd cycle i would doubel up the dose......IN MY OPPINION EVERYONE WHO STARTS JUICING SHOULD ALREADY BE BIG AND THEN THEY CAN DO A DOSE LIKE THAT.. Now....as for Unv2 me......it is not the juice that is to blame....his body is simply incompatible with the agents he is doing.....in his case eh should switch to doses that wre working for him and preferebly diferent medications....BUT PLEASE DONT EVER TELL ME THAT ...700 MGS IS TOO MUCH...if your saying such things i dont see how experienced you realy can be to be giving advice....we jsut had a post about this type of thing.....NOW DONT GET ME WRONG....i am against newbies who don tknwo how to train eat and sleep.....who are 140 lbs doing 2g of test a week ....or even 700 a week...but for bros who know what they are doing they can do even 7g a week if they cna handle it...Peace just my 002 not meant to flame you


PS: Unv2me wrote " - what about if i cut back the water intake... I'm reading that it may also be the cause?"

Sory but i ll be blunt with you..you should not be JUICING!!!.....for goodnes sake you don teven know about watter intake...!!! Drinking watte rhelps you flush toxins etc from system....thsi has nothing to do with bloat......you should drink more watter to cut th ebloat......bloat is caused by sodium retention and juice!!!

YOU should get off the cycle and re start when you are ready someday!
 
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Believe Me You Are Not Ready To Juice!
Just For Such An Ignorant Statement!
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Believe Me You Are Not Ready To Juice!
Just For Such An Ignorant Statement!
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FYI That's what i thought too. That's why I usually drink @ 1 1/2 gallons of water a day. I drank the same amount of water on my last cycle and didn't remember havin this problem so that didn't sound right to me. Like I said - I read that off of another thread and it didn't sound right. That's why I was asking. So please don't talk to me like I'm an idiot - like I said - it was something i was asking b/c what i read didn't make any sense to me.

I'm sittin @ 240lb and b/w 6'6 and 6'7 @ 15%bf.... i'm not worried too much about the test bein too high...

I actually dropped the dosage yesterday of the Dbols and it seemed to help A LOT already...

I appreciate everyones .02 on this... !!! Thanks!!
 
u NV me said:
I started my 2nd cycle last week of

200mg Prop week
500mg enth week
20mg Dbol ED

Last week I had the Test Flu bad... still a lil but not as bad... but I've noticed that I've been breathing really heavy. I don't remember being like this on my 1st cycle. This girl that slept over the other night actually said I was like wheezing and breathing weird.

Does this ever happen to anyone else?

I've also go this dry cough - feels like i'm going to cough up my lung and not really any flem or anything is coming up.

Should I get my BP checked? Would that be maybe while I'm breathing heavy? I'm sitting at my desk at work all day and I'm still breathing weird.

Thansk!
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i had that "dry cough" thing for a long time. went to doc and was diagnosed with "walking pnemonia"...

it also could be that your just mentally noticing your breathing and playing tricks on yourself???

good luck bro.
 
if he is having trouble breathing, it is too much- it is not the compound per se, it is the androgens contained within. how are you going to ever know how much to use when you start at a dosage like that. it is like having never taken aspirin to cure a headache, and starting off w/ 10 to see what happens. chances are, you only need one, but you don't know that b/c you took 10 instead. you can use low doses and grow well, no matter what size you are, b/c you are introducing extra hormones into your body beyond what it produces naturally. the gains will be slower but more quality, ask anyone who has done steroids for a long period of time (not just a couple of cycles). you eventually figure it out, you simply feel and look better and have better quality gains on lower doses. it also depends on your goals. if you want to just look good for cosmetic reasons (which is the majority of steroid users): who the fuck is going to do this cycle and expect to look halfway decent (and i'm not talking 250lbs. w/ 12% bf, that is borderline sloppy if you are not bulking)? you are going to be a bloated mess, regardless of your body fat. i don't judge progress by the scale- i simply look in the mirror- and if you obsess about your gains by your bodyweight, you will probably never attain your goals. get a little test, a little deca, and an anti estrogen and you will look great.
this cycle is fine if you are a competitive bodybuilder who is bulking (this is actually on the very low end for bulking), but a lot of the people on this board are not. i'm not trying to flame, but do you see my point? most people would get the results they want on a quarter of the dosage they are on, they just don't know it, b/c of these "recommendations" a lot of people give. that's my point
 
ps p.j. not trying to flame- just trying to keep someone(s) from making some of the same mistakes i did- i went through a lot of shit b/c i didn't know any better (and yes i had done my research- but there are a lot of sides from steroids that are insidious and not well-documented). moderation is the key in this like anything else- i just think we disagree what "moderation" is.
 
you only need one, but you don't know that b/c you took 10 instead. you can use low doses and grow well, no matter what size you are, b/c you are introducing extra hormones into your body beyond what it produces naturally. the gains will be slower but more quality, ask anyone who has done steroids for a long period of time (not just a couple of cycles). you eventually figure it out, you simply feel and look better and have better quality gains on lower doses
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Sory, but not everyone will grow on low doses..lol...first of all that may be true at the begining..but i know first hand that after i reached 240 or s i needed to bunp things up a notch...and i know first hand about the doses becouse i have tried them ALL from 200 mg a week for over 6 months to 2 g a week for a few months...other than that i have the privelage of knowing and being involved with some realy big juicers and know soem competetive athletes, ex mr americas, europe etc, and a few pros, so i realy do know wha ti am talking about....what i do agree with you about iis that you have to see what works for you ..first see if a low dose will work for you....lol and 12 % bf is not sloppy ..please...that is in very good shape.... anything under 12% is cutting for me....there is NO WAY you will ever ever ever get big without beaing a fucking man and eating !
 
if someone does not want to get freaky huge (i don't and a lot of people i know who juice don't either), low doses work extremely well. i am 6'3" 235-240 w/ 5-6% bf and i have put on 4 lbs. in the last 6 weeks off 200 mg of test a week and 1 aromasin a day, and i have juiced for 5-6 years. the "athletes" you are referring to are bodybuilders? right? of course they use huge doses- they have to, or they won't get ahead in their chosen profession. all the high level athletes i know and train with (football, track and field) stick to low dose test (or another short-actinng synthetic) and maybe a little slin/hgh. large doses androgens kill any aerobic capacity you may have (try doing any hard speed/conditioning work on 2g of test or tren, your calves pump up like balloons and you can't breath lol). not everyone who juices WANTS to be a competitive bodybuilder, and i wish people would discern between what kind of cycle is good for body building success versus cosmetic or athletic uses. this was my point to begin with bro- not meaning to insult the 12% bf either- that was kind of a dick thing to say- i've been there- but only when i used too much gear and no anti-e's :)
 
12 % is totaly good... shit real men ge tup to 20 25% bf when bulking i certainly do......the funies tthing..is when pussys in the gymm..ask me in amazement.".man...what are you taking...wow....man" "dude what shit you on" when im cut at 5-7% or so. Amazing thing is i tell them i just eat alot of food and train properly, these gusy tell me " well dude i just dont got that kind of body i cant eat that much"...bulshit...they will always have 11"pupys becouse they are pussys afraid to look bloated and big for the of season......i tell them strait up YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER GET BIG......the only thing tthese people are good at is wearing their sandals and bandana to gym.....TO GROW YOU HAVE TO EAT...AND TO EAT YOU WILL PUT ON A LITTLE FAT... ...If you have never been above 12% bodyfat when bulking im sory but you are one of these people.......i know exactly the type.... afraid to bulk up becouse bitches will not look the sam eat ou...lol.....that is true...funny thing is at partys or clubs when you are cut these same bitches come up to you rub your arms and ask....damn ho wdidi you get so big...and they leave the pussys with 12" arms who only cut their whole life at 5% bf to get it on with you...life is good
 
bro- quit dick sizing and calling me a pussy- not cool, b/c you don't know anything about me. i am an athlete (track and football) and i go up against guys who are 250-350 lbs. every day on the football field (real men lol) and i have THEIR respect. i play outside linebacker, and it doesn't help me chase down running backs, quarterbacks, and receivers when i am all "bulked up" it's just extra baggage. i don't go to clubs wearing gay-ass tight clothes and i don't kiss dudes asses b/c their huge and bloated- i know how they got that big, and i could be that big if i wanted to be (i've weighed 260 @ 9% before)- stuffing down fast food and donuts isn't too fucking hard. i train hard as fuck, eat reasonably well (protein high, everything else fair game, not sceered of food), and it pays off- juicing is only a small part of it. not everyone wants to look like a pro bodybuilder or a "real man" w/ 20-25% bf. i prefer to be strong FAST and athletic and i tailor my cycles accordingly.
 
You know dude, you have a lot of very harsh opinions. Just because some people take steroids to reach specific goals (me for example) doesn't mean they don't know how to take steroids or train for that matter. Not everyone wants to be huge, maybe they just want a better physique and can accomplish it in a shorter time using AAS. I am glad you can handle high doses and bloat up to 25% body fat - good for you - but that dosen't make anyone else a pussy! Now, in regards to the orginal post, I agree with drl, for your second cycle you simpley do not need that much. I don't give a shit how big you are, that has no bearing on how the steroids react in your body. Your logic is flawed. Bascially what you are saying is that if you have never used before, but are 215lbs, then you need to do at least 700mg of test a week to see results - BULLSHIT! Everybody is different, they should start with single compounds (two at most) and low doses to see how they respond, before they jump up to 700mg test and 30mg dbol. Actually, the more I write and think about what you said, the more pissed I get - why don't you just type useful info instead of the bullshit you tend to ramble on about.
 
Let me add my money in this gents, I have been doing this for roughly 18 years. I have been juicing since I was 16. yes I know that was too young but I have done well in a teen comps and placed very well in junior/teen Mr america and teen usa. I am simply using for shape and therapy but I wanted to add that when I experienced shotness of breath it has to do with the test always. More is never better not even for the biggest, no matter what dosage you take that is it should at least be the amount for your specific bodyweight.
In my opinion no one needs 2 gms of bodyweight unless you are about 320lbs, other than that the body will begin using the product in either negative or positive ways or a conglomerate of both. I know many pros that I have talked to and have had the privilege to have as friends, and some would say the same about myself. We all have discussed what is necessary and what isn't. Test should only be used to keep libido in tact, that's it.... Euro guys and other foreign BB's do not experience these sides that much because they don't use the amounts of LA esterfied test or other compounds that we here in America use.
It is a great myth that you need so much test. I do agree with front loading and then dropping toa maintenance dose for myself is 300-400mg eow, I would accompany that with 500-600mg of EQ weekly, and only 30mg of D-bol daily for 5 weeks. I 'll do the EQ and test for about 16-20 weeks with great results sometimes addiing another aas every 6-8 weeks. I never have to use high dosages because this causes ones body to build up too high of a blood level amount too quickly, some people need to start out at say 100mg test weekly with 200mg of eq and 15-20mg of dbol, just am example. Everybody is different. I started on 200mg of test cyp, 8mg of winny every day for only 4 weeks and gained 18 pounds. kept 14 of it. that's right, also your first cycle is by far the most responsive, doing long cycles are better because you can use low dosages for the long haul and watch your body along with diet and rest GRRRRROOOWWW.

Sides can be avoided for the most part. Test is the underlying factor, it seriously causes sides. When you use anti-e's they help considerably but when your putting all the chems in your body they have to create some sort of reaction period!!!!!

ALso to point out test will cause your respiratory system to react ie.. either you experience a cough, water or fluid on the lungs or shortness of breath. remember to sleep on your side, do cardio, and do drink plenty of fluids. Do not panic but these traditional ways of doing aas in the USA is not right at all. TEST is only for libido, it will cut fat, it will do good things for you but it will not build an extraordinary amount of tissue. I have done cycle without test and had phenomenol results. ie... deca and anavar. anyone remember the old hatfield cycles. They put on tissue and immense amounts of keepable strength and size....

peace
 
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I don't know as much as most of the guys here, but I was under the assumption being 10 foot tall and 6 foot tall had no bearing onto how much hormone your body produces. If it did it there wouldn't be much variation at all.If you take 500mg a week of test when most people produce 6-9mg a day. Someone who produces 10-13mg is still getting 8 times what their body normally would make. The only way to see who is right, would be to take a guy who is 240 and never juiced, put him on 250mg a week of test en or sustanon, measure gains. Then take a person who achieved 240lbs from years of juicing, put him on 250mg a week. See who has better gains. I think that would be an easy one. The guy who hasn't built up tolerance is going to do far better.

PolfaJelfa said:
Sory, but not everyone will grow on low doses..lol...first of all that may be true at the begining..but i know first hand that after i reached 240 or s i needed to bunp things up a notch...and i know first hand about the doses becouse i have tried them ALL from 200 mg a week for over 6 months to 2 g a week for a few months...other than that i have the privelage of knowing and being involved with some realy big juicers and know soem competetive athletes, ex mr americas, europe etc, and a few pros, so i realy do know wha ti am talking about....what i do agree with you about iis that you have to see what works for you ..first see if a low dose will work for you....lol and 12 % bf is not sloppy ..please...that is in very good shape.... anything under 12% is cutting for me....there is NO WAY you will ever ever ever get big without beaing a fucking man and eating !
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cboogsrun said:
I don't know as much as most of the guys here, but I was under the assumption being 10 foot tall and 6 foot tall had no bearing onto how much hormone your body produces. If it did it there wouldn't be much variation at all.If you take 500mg a week of test when most people produce 6-9mg a day. Someone who produces 10-13mg is still getting 8 times what their body normally would make. The only way to see who is right, would be to take a guy who is 240 and never juiced, put him on 250mg a week of test en or sustanon, measure gains. Then take a person who achieved 240lbs from years of juicing, put him on 250mg a week. See who has better gains. I think that would be an easy one. The guy who hasn't built up tolerance is going to do far better.
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here is the problem with that, and you have made a very vald point, but your body doesnt need much test unless it doesn't produce much in the first place. you still have a percentage out there of exactly how much one would need to gain muscle tissue, and have athletic advantages, nevertheless, if you use test for the first time any amount will add to the what your body already produces but doesn't mean it will produce excessive quality muscle, and athleticism. On the other hand, it will assist other aspects of the secondary sex characteristics, not only that but, even higher dosages are not necessarily better for you medically or muscularly either compared to deca, tren,var, fura, winny and masteron. Believe it. The only problem why many BB's use the test is to prevent their sex characteristics and sex drive from drowning if you know what I mean. Alsoest works synergistically with other aas especially the low androgenic ones. this also goes for the guy who has juiced previously at the 240lb weight. A whole lot of test just isn't needed.
Some one like Mr. O needs high dosages not only because of BW but but now his body has learned to rely upon the high artificial compounds he uses. Think about it he eat 5-6 chicken breasts for one meal, 1-2 is enough for me. So just as his BW increases there is a need to put more food to sustain it, but with test this isn't necessarily needed, but if your using 500-1g of tren a week then you will need to bump the test to combat the tren sides



peace
 
Test is only for libido....ok then budy.... i think that summs up your post....test is only for libido...test does not cause muscle gains that are keepable and is worthless....LMFAO......ok bud...im out of this thread...i will not even argue with people who have no idea what the hell they are remotely talking about...

As for the bro who is the athlete...i respect that you dont want to look like a big bb , and that size is detrimental in your case as you must be real agile etc etc...

But for those of you who say tst is only for libido..im sory but i hav eto call you on this...You have no damn right to give any advice.....you hav eno damn idea of what Test even is and for that matter any other compound that is metabolized into some form of testosterone.....you say "will not build an extraordinary amount of tissue"
LMFAO..thsi is the bigest bulshit i have ever seen postid on this board....YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE REMOTELY EVEN TALKING ABOUT ...ZERO..I SUDGEST YOU START READING ABOUT THE OTHER COMPOUNDS YOU TAKE AND GET EDUCATED HOW THEY ARE ALL A FORM OF TEST...Their similarities in the CHAIN BREAKDOWN....... AS FOR TEST NOT WORKIGN TELL THAT TO ME ALONG WITH THE OTHER PEOPLE TRAINING IN THE GYM...THE END
 
hey Polfajelfa, I am not saying that it is solely and only for libido, that would be likea thief stating that all banks are the same for robbery. I 've been around too long to be flamed or insulted by the you. whoever you are. Test can and will build muscle read the other posts, but that isn't why the large amount of BB's use it, it is to sustain the body against high dosages of non-test aas. I 've been where you are, and Test isn't the best muscle tissue builder, and as a matter of fact up against the lower androgenic compounds doesn't even come close to the high rate of protein systhesis as the likes of deca, tren (androgenic but with a 87% higher rate of protein synthesis on the body) same with Dbol ( androgenic with 71% protein systhesis compared to test compunds. Once again jelfapolfa, there is no right or wrong just examine what I am saying a little closer. I have been to and dealt with quite a few endo's and physicians of sorts on many of these issues in the last 16years+....


peace
Gee, this is an interesting topic
 
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