2nd cycle options/thoughts./suggestions

[small but working on it]

Hello all,

I am about to embark on my 2nd cycle. Some will remember me on here, some wont, so... Mid 30's 5 10 207lbs and about 14%bf. I am killing the cardio now trying to get to 9 or 10 percent before to cycle. I have been lifting regularly for about 15 yrs or so. My first cycle was sust 500 mg wkly for 12 weeks. I gained about 18 lbs, kept about 12 or 13 after pct. Little acne, nothing bad and overall was pleased with results.

I want to gain some good mass but also want to keep the bf to a minimum. I am going to eat as clean as possible, even if that means not seeing max gains from the gear. I am sure some of the bros here that are 34 and up realize it gets more and more difficult to rid the fat.

I am thinkin Tren but a bit nervous about the sides ? Thoughts ?
I am thinking Primo but not sure dosage on it, it is a mild steroid true but want to make true gains.
I am thinking Sust again with a 30mg dbol to kickstart this time. Seemed forever before the sust kicked in.
I am thinking anadrol kickstart with the sust ? I would be having some adex on hand for bloat. I want to run ndex for pct with some other supps, I am not interested in hcg unless it is absolutely necessary. Not easy to hide the hcg in the fridge. I want some thoughts from Needto, Radar, Galaxy and other experienced bros. You know who you are ! Thanks for the thoughts and advice in advance.

 

[needtogetaas]

Hello all,

I am about to embark on my 2nd cycle. Some will remember me on here, some wont, so... Mid 30's 5 10 207lbs and about 14%bf. I am killing the cardio now trying to get to 9 or 10 percent before to cycle. I have been lifting regularly for about 15 yrs or so. My first cycle was sust 500 mg wkly for 12 weeks. I gained about 18 lbs, kept about 12 or 13 after pct. Little acne, nothing bad and overall was pleased with results.

I want to gain some good mass but also want to keep the bf to a minimum. I am going to eat as clean as possible, even if that means not seeing max gains from the gear. I am sure some of the bros here that are 34 and up realize it gets more and more difficult to rid the fat.

I am thinkin Tren but a bit nervous about the sides ? Thoughts ?
I am thinking Primo but not sure dosage on it, it is a mild steroid true but want to make true gains.
I am thinking Sust again with a 30mg dbol to kickstart this time. Seemed forever before the sust kicked in.
I am thinking anadrol kickstart with the sust ? I would be having some adex on hand for bloat. I want to run ndex for pct with some other supps, I am not interested in hcg unless it is absolutely necessary. Not easy to hide the hcg in the fridge. I want some thoughts from Needto, Radar, Galaxy and other experienced bros. You know who you are ! Thanks for the thoughts and advice in advance.

I am thinking primo too bro. and some test prop.

1-14 test prop 100mg eod
1-13 primo 600mg ew
7-14 hcg 500ius ew

16-20 Testosterone Recovery Stack

keep adex on hand. pm me for discounts on any of this.

 

[eClenbuterol]

Maybe you could hide the hcg in a tiny ziplock inside a jar of something only you like?

 

[small but working on it]

What about the hairloss with the primo ? Is it overrated or what ? I have seen lots of threads about it and it is highly debated. I am mpb prone and am not that worried about it. I have no 1st hand knowledge of hcg to be sure. I am not too proud to admit it. Could I get by on that cycle without it and just hit a solid pct ?

 

[small but working on it]

Maybe you could hide the hcg in a tiny ziplock inside a jar of something only you like?

Hadnt thought of that. I cant think of anything though.... hmm....

 

[eClenbuterol]

The beauty of hcg is you get to keep your balls in the first place rather than try and get them back later. I find that much preferable but there have been countless cycles run successfully without it. If you can figure a way, I think you'll be happy with the results.

 

[needtogetaas]

The beauty of hcg is you get to keep your balls in the first place rather than try and get them back later. I find that much preferable but there have been countless cycles run successfully without it. If you can figure a way, I think you'll be happy with the results.

True true..

Primo can not be converted to a DHT derivative as it lacks the prerequisit 4,5 double bond. It is not a substrate for the 5-AR enzyme. It also is not a substrate for aromatase (requires the same 4,5-double bond)


The metabolism of methenolone acetate (17 beta-acetoxy-1-methyl-5 alpha-androst-1-en-3-one), a synthetic anabolic steroid, has been investigated in man. After oral administration of a 50 mg dose of the steroid to two male volunteers, twelve metabolites were detected in urine either in the glucuronide, sulfate or free steroid fractions. Methenolone, the parent steroid was detected in urine until 90 h after administration. Its cumulative urinary excretion accounted for 1.63% of the ingested dose. With the exception of 3 alpha-hydroxy-1-methylen-5 alpha-androstan-17-one, the major biotransformation product of methonolone acetate, metabolites were excreted in urine at lower levels, through minor metabolic routes. Most of methenolone acetate metabolites were isolated from the glucuronic acid fraction, namely methenolone, 3 alpha-hydroxy-1-methylen-5 alpha-androstan-17-one, 3 alpha-hydroxy-1 alpha-methyl-5 alpha-androstan-17-one, 17-epimethenolone, 3 alpha,6 beta-dihydroxy-1-methylen-5 alpha-androstan-17-one, 2 xi-hydroxy-1-methylen-5 alpha-androstan-3,17-dione, 6 beta-hydroxy-1-methyl-5 alpha-androst-1-en-3,17-dione, 16 alpha-hydroxy-1-methyl-5 alpha-androst-1-en-3,17-dione and 3 alpha,16 alpha-dihydroxy-1-methyl-5 alpha-androst-1-en-17-one. Interestingly, the metabolites detected in the sulfate fraction were isomeric steroids bearing a 16 alpha- or a 16 beta-hydroxyl group, whereas 1-methyl-5 alpha-androst-1-en-3,17-dione was the sole metabolite isolated from the free steroid fraction. Steroids identity was assigned on the basis of the mass spectral features of their TMS ether, TMS enol-TMS ether, MO-TMS, and d9-TMS ether derivatives and by comparison with reference and structurally related steroids. The data indicated that methenolone acetate was metabolized into several compounds resulting from oxidation of the 17-hydroxyl group and reduction of A-ring substituents, with or without concomitant hydroxylation at the C6 and C16 positions..


Looking this over and the structure if primo. I once believed it was a dht or (dhb) derivative but not its up in the air. I mean all the experts and profiles out there still say its a dht (dhb). when it can be a more like a 1-methyl-1-testosterone...


sorry to confuse you. I got to looking into your thread and now I am off in left field again lololol...

Point being primo is not that bad or the hair. Its a lot less on the hair then say winny,mast,proviron. And a lot less on the hair then steroids that are very androgenic.

Its fine on the hair. If you are worried about hair loss I would be more worried about test then I would primo...

 

[Olivelawn]

Hello all,

I am about to embark on my 2nd cycle. Some will remember me on here, some wont, so... Mid 30's 5 10 207lbs and about 14%bf. I am killing the cardio now trying to get to 9 or 10 percent before to cycle. I have been lifting regularly for about 15 yrs or so. My first cycle was sust 500 mg wkly for 12 weeks. I gained about 18 lbs, kept about 12 or 13 after pct. Little acne, nothing bad and overall was pleased with results.

I want to gain some good mass but also want to keep the bf to a minimum. I am going to eat as clean as possible, even if that means not seeing max gains from the gear. I am sure some of the bros here that are 34 and up realize it gets more and more difficult to rid the fat.

I am thinkin Tren but a bit nervous about the sides ? Thoughts ?
I am thinking Primo but not sure dosage on it, it is a mild steroid true but want to make true gains.
I am thinking Sust again with a 30mg dbol to kickstart this time. Seemed forever before the sust kicked in.
I am thinking anadrol kickstart with the sust ? I would be having some adex on hand for bloat. I want to run ndex for pct with some other supps, I am not interested in hcg unless it is absolutely necessary. Not easy to hide the hcg in the fridge. I want some thoughts from Needto, Radar, Galaxy and other experienced bros. You know who you are ! Thanks for the thoughts and advice in advance.

Primo will need to be ran for 14-16 weeks to reap maximum benefits. It is also very expensive to say the least, and there are better options.

Here is what I would do, again this is just me.

1-4 50mg Dbol
1-12 500-750mg Test E EW
9-12 50mg Winstrol or Dbol
5-12 500iu HCG

15 1000iu HCG for 5 days
15-17 100mg Clomid ED
18-19 50mg Clomid ED

.25mg Aromasin EOD - from day one through PCT. If joints start to hurt cut it back further. Once PCT starts drop it back to E3D and run 1-2 weeks past clomid.

You will be holding some water weight but it will subside within a couple of weeks after last injection. Keep up with the cardio and adjust calories as needed to reach your goals.

Good luck.

 

[RADAR]

Being that Primo is expensive, My reccommendation would be test Etn Or Cyp @ 500 wk, along with EQ@ 400wk Eq starts to shine after week 12-so running it as long as 16 wks is ok.

Since I know You and your training history i'm not gonna bug you about PCT and such!


Another good one would be test prop & Masterdon Maybe some Var or T-Bol.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

RADAR

 

[needtogetaas]

guy says he is pron to hair loss. So I being the smart one give him a good cycle for that.. The next person after says "use winny" lmao and the next guy says "ya use some masteron" fucking christ guys pulls your heads out of your asses tonight please..

Also primo is not as expesive as people make it out to be damn.

eq is nothing like primo... nothing.

 

[needtogetaas]

Primo will need to be ran for 14-16 weeks to reap maximum benefits. It is also very expensive to say the least, and there are better options.

Here is what I would do, again this is just me.

1-4 50mg Dbol
1-12 500-750mg Test E EW
9-12 50mg Winstrol or Dbol
5-12 500iu HCG

15 1000iu HCG for 5 days
15-17 100mg Clomid ED
18-19 50mg Clomid ED

.25mg Aromasin EOD - from day one through PCT. If joints start to hurt cut it back further. Once PCT starts drop it back to E3D and run 1-2 weeks past clomid.

You will be holding some water weight but it will subside within a couple of weeks after last injection. Keep up with the cardio and adjust calories as needed to reach your goals.

Good luck.

1-4 50mg Dbol
1-12 500-750mg Test E EW
9-12 50mg Winstrol or Dbol
5-12 500iu HCG


thats some shitty ass advice....

1 he said he was pron to hair loss. Ya lets laod him up with winny fuck his hair.

well we are at it lets rip his lipids to shreds with back to back harsh orals.

hell its only his (second cycle) lets drop mega dose cycle on him..


And lastly pct with just clomid sucks big fat dick.

 

[small but working on it]

I was thinking same thing. The dbol at 50 daily is pretty deep. I can deal with say 30mg daily but think even with some adex or something, I would blow up baboon style. I would be flat bald with the winny for sure.

I think I will stay away from the test prop as I heard it is crazy painful a day or two after inject go ahead, Im waiting for it, but if I can get solid results without the pain, I am down for that.

I am leaning toward Radar's initial cycle thoughts. Needto, what you think ? other vets ?

 

[Olivelawn]

1-4 50mg Dbol
1-12 500-750mg Test E EW
9-12 50mg Winstrol or Dbol
5-12 500iu HCG


thats some shitty ass advice....

1 he said he was pron to hair loss. Ya lets laod him up with winny fuck his hair.

well we are at it lets rip his lipids to shreds with back to back harsh orals.

hell its only his (second cycle) lets drop mega dose cycle on him..


And lastly pct with just clomid sucks big fat dick.

First off, I said this IS WHAT I WOULD DO. I never said HE should do this. Please go back and re-read what I typed.

Again, I said he could use winstrol OR dbol. Again, please go back and re-read what I typed. I also never stated that he use an oral version of winstrol either. Winstrol in liquid form is NOT a 17aa.

As far as "mega dosing" I again said this is what I would do, he doesn't HAVE to run those doses.

As far as hair loss he can run finastride. He should be anyway when he is running a cycle if prone to hair loss.

The PCT I suggested had clomid, aromasin and HCG, I never said "just use clomid only."

 

[small but working on it]

I was thinking same thing. The dbol at 50 daily is pretty deep. I can deal with say 30mg daily but think even with some adex or something, I would blow up baboon style. I would be flat bald with the winny for sure.

I think I will stay away from the test prop as I heard it is crazy painful a day or two after inject go ahead, Im waiting for it, but if I can get solid results without the pain, I am down for that.

I am leaning toward Radar's initial cycle thoughts. Needto, what you think ? other vets ?

Bump for answers to above questions please

 

[small but working on it]

where is everybody ?

 

[RADAR]

may I Raise my hand???????



I read the original post several times, and no where does it mention anything about hairloss!


RADAR