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2nd cycle. How's it look?

luda281

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5'7" 165lbs 29yo. Been lifting for 6 years. 8% bf. First cycle was test e alone. Didn't get too much from it. Maybe 8-10lbs. Kept about 6. This was in Sept. Did a short Epistane cycle after than in jan.



1-10 test e 500mg
1-6 tbol 40mg
1-10 proviron 25-50mg
1-10 cycle guard

Pct
12-16 nolva 40/20/20/20
12-16 Purus labs recycle
12-16 Daa

Aromasin on hand. If I don't need it on cycle, should I throw it in pct?
 
5'7" 165lbs 29yo. Been lifting for 6 years. 8% bf. First cycle was test e alone. Didn't get too much from it. Maybe 8-10lbs. Kept about 6. This was in Sept. Did a short Epistane cycle after than in jan.



1-10 test e 500mg
1-6 tbol 40mg
1-10 proviron 25-50mg
1-10 cycle guard

Pct
12-16 nolva 40/20/20/20
12-16 Purus labs recycle
12-16 Daa

Aromasin on hand. If I don't need it on cycle, should I throw it in pct?

Looks fine to me!
I'm not a big fan of nova....there are more side effects then benefits.

Get some low dosage clomids.
 
Looks fine to me!
I'm not a big fan of nova....there are more side effects then benefits.

Get some low dosage clomids.

Really? I keep hearing both. Why is clomid better? I heard its not because it takes a lot more mg to be effective and it causes more acne

So which one should you use? Well personally, I'd have to say Nolvadex. Both as an on-cycle anti-estrogen and a post-cycle therapy. As an anti-estrogen its simply much stronger, demonstrated by the fact that better results are obtained with 20-40 mg than with 100-150 mg of Clomid. For post-cycle, this plays a key role as well. It deactivates rebound estrogen much faster and more effective. But most importantly, Nolvadex has a direct influence on bringing back natural testosterone, where as Clomid may actually have a slight negative influence. The reason being that tamoxifen (as in Nolvadex) seems to increase the responsiveness of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone), whereas Clomid seems to decrease the responsiveness a bit1.

Another reason why I promote the use of Nolvadex over Clomid post-cycle (as if being 3-4 times stronger and having more of a direct effect on restoring natural test wasn't enough) is because it's a lot safer. Not just because it improves lipid profiles, but also because it simply doesn't have the intrinsic side-effects that Clomid has. Clomid causes more acne for sure, but that's mainly because you need to use a 3-4 times higher dose. But Clomid seems to also affect the eyesight. Long-term Clomid therapy causes irreversible changes in eyesight3 in users. Irreversible. For me that alone is reason enough to prefer Nolvadex.
 
^^^ you don't need a strong AI especially with the cycle you outlined. you are just using drugs that you don't need .. you are already using proviron. and you would only need some light forma, thats all.

but if you like nolva go for it.. for most guys its a dick killer

you have only run 1 cycle so its understandable why you would still be a believer in nolva, but trust me over time you will figure out nolva is a bitch and that stomping on your estrogen on cycle isn't the best way to go
 
I prefer clomid to nolva! I haven't seen any true facts that says it can decrease the natural test production and its worked for me in the past.
 
^^^ you don't need a strong AI especially with the cycle you outlined. you are just using drugs that you don't need .. you are already using proviron. and you would only need some light forma, thats all.

but if you like nolva go for it.. for most guys its a dick killer

you have only run 1 cycle so its understandable why you would still be a believer in nolva, but trust me over time you will figure out nolva is a bitch and that stomping on your estrogen on cycle isn't the best way to go

So what would be the perfect way to run a cycle of test e and tbol to you? What pct?
 
Really? I keep hearing both. Why is clomid better? I heard its not because it takes a lot more mg to be effective and it causes more acne

So which one should you use? Well personally, I'd have to say Nolvadex. Both as an on-cycle anti-estrogen and a post-cycle therapy. As an anti-estrogen its simply much stronger, demonstrated by the fact that better results are obtained with 20-40 mg than with 100-150 mg of Clomid. For post-cycle, this plays a key role as well. It deactivates rebound estrogen much faster and more effective. But most importantly, Nolvadex has a direct influence on bringing back natural testosterone, where as Clomid may actually have a slight negative influence. The reason being that tamoxifen (as in Nolvadex) seems to increase the responsiveness of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone), whereas Clomid seems to decrease the responsiveness a bit1.

Another reason why I promote the use of Nolvadex over Clomid post-cycle (as if being 3-4 times stronger and having more of a direct effect on restoring natural test wasn't enough) is because it's a lot safer. Not just because it improves lipid profiles, but also because it simply doesn't have the intrinsic side-effects that Clomid has. Clomid causes more acne for sure, but that's mainly because you need to use a 3-4 times higher dose. But Clomid seems to also affect the eyesight. Long-term Clomid therapy causes irreversible changes in eyesight3 in users. Irreversible. For me that alone is reason enough to prefer Nolvadex.

150mg of clomid!!!!!! Are you out of your fucking mind ?

Bro 25mg to 50mg is all u need to help you in recovery.

And use some sort of OTC supplement and antioxidants

It's your second cycle that's mean you only have you use nova once. How can u be so sure it's the best thing.

Nova is crap, there is not even one study that nova stimulates hpta.
 
When I use clomid I use 25mg Ed for 3 wks only. It's been successful for me! Slow and steady will always win the race. I couldn't imagine the side you get from 150mgs??? I've never used nolva either... Always heard it was no good
 
When I use clomid I use 25mg Ed for 3 wks only. It's been successful for me! Slow and steady will always win the race. I couldn't imagine the side you get from 150mgs??? I've never used nolva either... Always heard it was no good

Stop comparing nolva and clomid. They are not the same thing or interchangeable.



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It's not roid rage, I just don't like you...

Bustin' my ass so I can save yours...
 
Stop comparing nolva and clomid. They are not the same thing or interchangeable.

...

i think you mis-read what his point was, I think he is making a valid point .. they are both staples of the old style PCT bantered online. both will crush estrogen post cycle as well. so they do have similarities ... he is saying a slow and low dose pct is more beneficial then running 100mg of clomid and 40 mg of nolva for 4 weeks like most recommend (this is what i was recommended to do when i was a newb and its flat out a poor pct)

for the OP the pct i recommend is in my signature below ... part of a good pct isn't just helping your body recover but its also about feeling good .. pct sucks as it is cause we lose that on feel, if you run nolva you will feel worse
 
Stop comparing nolva and clomid. They are not the same thing or interchangeable.



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It's not roid rage, I just don't like you...

Bustin' my ass so I can save yours...

Who the hell compared em? I just said I like clomid which has worked for me! I've never even used nolva which I also stated above so what do I have to compare it to???
 
i think you mis-read what his point was, I think he is making a valid point .. they are both staples of the old style PCT bantered online. both will crush estrogen post cycle as well. so they do have similarities ... he is saying a slow and low dose pct is more beneficial then running 100mg of clomid and 40 mg of nolva for 4 weeks like most recommend (this is what i was recommended to do when i was a newb and its flat out a poor pct)

for the OP the pct i recommend is in my signature below ... part of a good pct isn't just helping your body recover but its also about feeling good .. pct sucks as it is cause we lose that on feel, if you run nolva you will feel worse

That is exactly what I'm saying... I just prefer the lower dosage compared to full throttle 100mgs ed like been seeing on here lately. That is all...
 
I prefer clomid to nolva! I haven't seen any true facts that says it can decrease the natural test production and its worked for me in the past.

This is saying that you prefer one over the other correct? Because nolva is an AI, and clomid is a SERM



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It's not roid rage, I just don't like you...

Bustin' my ass so I can save yours...
 
This is saying that you prefer one over the other correct? Because nolva is an AI, and clomid is a SERM



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It's not roid rage, I just don't like you...

Bustin' my ass so I can save yours...

They are both anti estrogens belonging to the same group of triphenylethylene compounds. In men both of these drugs act as anti estrogens in their capacity. Technically clomid is a serm and nolva an AI but when taken by men they are meant to perform the same duties.
 
This is saying that you prefer one over the other correct? Because nolva is an AI, and clomid is a SERM



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It's not roid rage, I just don't like you...

Bustin' my ass so I can save yours...

I also did say I prefer clomid to nolva for me! Only for me bc I have used clomid with success and never tried nolva before. So what's your point besides hijacking this guys thread?
 
Not high jacking, I just don't want someone else to misinterpret what you were saying, that's all.



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It's not roid rage, I just don't like you...

Bustin' my ass so I can save yours...
 
Not high jacking, I just don't want someone else to misinterpret what you were saying, that's all.



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It's not roid rage, I just don't like you...

Bustin' my ass so I can save yours...

Hey bro, go back and read the whole thread again... When you do may realize the only one who misintrepted anything was you. Clomid and nolva may classified as different only bc of what and how they are used with women. But when administered to a man they are the same thing. They both block the estrogens from binding or increasing.
 
IMO nova has more side effects then benefits.

Long time ago I tried armidex only pct.
After doing heaps of study about how a single dosage of 1mg per day for a week can raise your test level 150% from the base line and slightly increase in LH and FHS.

Be honest I really liked it. I did it for 2week straight and hold most of my gains minus water.

Side effects= joint pains, headaches
 
IMO nova has more side effects then benefits.

Long time ago I tried armidex only pct.
After doing heaps of study about how a single dosage of 1mg per day for a week can raise your test level 150% from the base line and slightly increase in LH and FHS.

Be honest I really liked it. I did it for 2week straight and hold most of my gains minus water.

Side effects= joint pains, headaches

Do you still use only arimidex as your pct? If not exactly is your pct plan?
 
Do you still use only arimidex as your pct? If not exactly is your pct plan?

Bro I have done a pct in last 4 years.
I was on gear for last 4 years.

But finally I'm coming off after a long time.

Using

Insulin 10iu post work out for 3weeks to hold my gains if possible

trip(gnrp) peptide to kick start
Test production. 100mcg 1shot only.

Clomids 50mg week1 them 25mg for 3weeks

Activate xtreme n triazole DAA herbal supplements and test booster
 
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