2nd cycle for comp, help please!

[Paleojacked]

Hello all, Im a long time lurker in the forums and find myself in need of some help. Im getting ready to hop on my second cycle in preparation for a bodybuilding show Im going to be competing in during the month of october. The cycle that I have planned to run is Test Prop, Test cyp, Tren Ace and Mast. I am currently in possession of 4 vials of cyp, but I plan to kick the cycle off with the prop for the first 2 weeks. In my quest to approach my second cycle with prudence and maturity I have read a number of books on the cycles ("Laymens guide to steroids" all editions, William Llewellyn's "Anabolics," Bodyuilding strength traing and steroids" etc...). Im not trying to act like im an expert or anything in listing these, its just my attempt at ensuring you guys know that I am fully aware of what I am getting into, and don't take sticking needles in my body on a regular bases lightly.
Stats:Age: 28

Years Training: 13 years

Number of cycles: 1 cycle of test cyp at 500mg a week for 7 weeks ended roughly 4 months ago.
Weight: 250lbs (recently cut down from 266lbs from June 10th after a power lifting meet)

Diet: Zig Zagging calories daily based on activity level. Basically low carb paleo (Anabolic Diet, Palumbo diet style eating,) with a higher carb refeed every 3rd night.


Supps: Krill oil, Fish oil, Seasamin oil, Creatine, Glutamine, Essential aminos, Branched chained aminos, Alcar, Taurine.

Currently planned cycle
Test prop Wk 1-2 & 10-11 x 50mg ED x 350mg a week
Test cyp. Wk 1-8 x 200mg x Sun & Wed x 400mg a week
Tren A. Wk 4-11 x EOD x 75mg x 300mg a week
Mast. Wk 6-11x ED x 50mg x 350mg a week

Estrogen control
.5 Letro EOD

Fat loss

Alternating
Clen and ECA in 2 week intervals
Various fat burner sample packets I get from local bodybuilding shows

Here are my questions
1) I have read a lot about test/tren cycles, and there seems to be a school of thought that believes test should be run lower than tren. But then there is also a side that says test and tren should be ran at the same mg per week. My main goal is conditioning, but I wouldnt be mad if I got to add a pound or two to my frame in the process. What do you think? (The books Ive read tend to reccommend dosages much lower than what I have seen many on the boards reccomending.)

2) I've got some Rui Prami on the way, but is a prolactin inhibitor really nessasary if I dont have any sides? I never had any issues with gyno during my test cycle, so do you think it would be fine just to keep the Prami on hand? Or should I take it from the start? If I am running Letro EOD is the Prami even needed since prolactin couldnt get out of control without estrogen first getting out of hand?

3) Do you think HCgenerate would keep my libido right while on cycle? I know the tren can be rough on the boys. Would Viagra or Cialis be enough to allow me to perform while in cycle?

4) I am a little confused as to the crossover periods between cyp and prop. after 2 weeks of dosing esters and prop it seems like by week 3 my test levels are gonna be crazy high. Should I be worried about this? What is the best protocol to hop from prop to cyp, and then back to prop again for the last two weeks of the show?

 

[EZ_E]

Hello all, Im a long time lurker in the forums and find myself in need of some help. Im getting ready to hop on my second cycle in preparation for a bodybuilding show Im going to be competing in during the month of october. The cycle that I have planned to run is Test Prop, Test cyp, Tren Ace and Mast. I am currently in possession of 4 vials of cyp, but I plan to kick the cycle off with the prop for the first 2 weeks. In my quest to approach my second cycle with prudence and maturity I have read a number of books on the cycles ("Laymens guide to steroids" all editions, William Llewellyn's "Anabolics," Bodyuilding strength traing and steroids" etc...). Im not trying to act like im an expert or anything in listing these, its just my attempt at ensuring you guys know that I am fully aware of what I am getting into, and don't take sticking needles in my body on a regular bases lightly.
Stats:Age: 28

Years Training: 13 years

Number of cycles: 1 cycle of test cyp at 500mg a week for 7 weeks ended roughly 4 months ago.
Weight: 250lbs (recently cut down from 266lbs from June 10th after a power lifting meet)

Diet: Zig Zagging calories daily based on activity level. Basically low carb paleo (Anabolic Diet, Palumbo diet style eating,) with a higher carb refeed every 3rd night.


Supps: Krill oil, Fish oil, Seasamin oil, Creatine, Glutamine, Essential aminos, Branched chained aminos, Alcar, Taurine.

Currently planned cycle
Test prop Wk 1-2 & 10-11 x 50mg ED x 350mg a week
Test cyp. Wk 1-8 x 200mg x Sun & Wed x 400mg a week
Tren A. Wk 4-11 x EOD x 75mg x 300mg a week
Mast. Wk 6-11x ED x 50mg x 350mg a week

Estrogen control
.5 Letro EOD

Fat loss

Alternating
Clen and ECA in 2 week intervals
Various fat burner sample packets I get from local bodybuilding shows

Here are my questions
1) I have read a lot about test/tren cycles, and there seems to be a school of thought that believes test should be run lower than tren. But then there is also a side that says test and tren should be ran at the same mg per week. My main goal is conditioning, but I wouldnt be mad if I got to add a pound or two to my frame in the process. What do you think? (The books Ive read tend to reccommend dosages much lower than what I have seen many on the boards reccomending.)

2) I've got some Rui Prami on the way, but is a prolactin inhibitor really nessasary if I dont have any sides? I never had any issues with gyno during my test cycle, so do you think it would be fine just to keep the Prami on hand? Or should I take it from the start? If I am running Letro EOD is the Prami even needed since prolactin couldnt get out of control without estrogen first getting out of hand?

3) Do you think HCgenerate would keep my libido right while on cycle? I know the tren can be rough on the boys. Would Viagra or Cialis be enough to allow me to perform while in cycle?

4) I am a little confused as to the crossover periods between cyp and prop. after 2 weeks of dosing esters and prop it seems like by week 3 my test levels are gonna be crazy high. Should I be worried about this? What is the best protocol to hop from prop to cyp, and then back to prop again for the last two weeks of the show?

Welcome to EF Paleo....glad to see you're taking this seriously..

A few questions and comments:

250 lbs @ what height and BF%?

Why did you run cyp for 7 weeks

What was your PCT for that cycle?

What's your PCT for this cycle?

Yes you need prami (or caber) with tren, but tren can be a bitch and not a great idea for a 2nd cycle

What the hell is: "Various fat burner sample packets I get from local bodybuilding shows"

What are your goal stats for the show?

~EZ

 

[Paleojacked]

-Not certain of my bf% but my abs are in and im beginning to see my serratus. Im 6'1 and will more than likely be competing at 225-30. (Im not one of those people who overshoots there contest weight projections by alot.)

-I ran Cyp for seven weeks because I went to the doc after suffering from chest pains for a few days. After an overnight stay it I discovered that the pain was nothing more than heart burn and I being the paranoid guy I am was getting it confused with my heart. None the less while I was there a ECG was done and it was found that I had ventricle hypertrophy. Needless to say my wife was having none of that and the cycle was over lol. A few weeks back I sought out a second opinion by a cardiologist who conducted an ultrasound. He told me that the hypertrophy he saw was to be expected considering the fact that my cardiovascular system has to support such a large physique. Basically im in perfect health and all metrics of health (blood work, blood pressure, etc...) are looking good.

-PCT for my first cycle went as follows

Nolva 50/50/50/50
Clomid 50/50/50/50
I also ran Erase pro eod on cycle

-PCT this time
Clomid 50/50/50/50
D-aspartic acid
Hcgenerate (also on cycle)

Ive read its a bad idea to run nolva after a tren cycle so I opted for clomid.

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[Paleojacked]

Oh and when I say various fat burners, I mean I have alot of free samples from bodybuilding shows. I literally have 2 grocery bags full of various pre workout powders,protein powders and fat burners. Rather than blow money on herbal stimulants that are all pretty much the same fair, I simply take different fat burning formulations. As long as I watch out for weather or not the product contains yohimbe, and don't go over 250mg of caffeine in one serving, I find it is safe and simultaneously very effective to change things up.

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[Paleojacked]

I know this pic sucks, but its all I have on my phone. Im currently at work.

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[RickRock13]

Hello all, Im a long time lurker in the forums and find myself in need of some help. Im getting ready to hop on my second cycle in preparation for a bodybuilding show Im going to be competing in during the month of october. The cycle that I have planned to run is Test Prop, Test cyp, Tren Ace and Mast. I am currently in possession of 4 vials of cyp, but I plan to kick the cycle off with the prop for the first 2 weeks. In my quest to approach my second cycle with prudence and maturity I have read a number of books on the cycles ("Laymens guide to steroids" all editions, William Llewellyn's "Anabolics," Bodyuilding strength traing and steroids" etc...). Im not trying to act like im an expert or anything in listing these, its just my attempt at ensuring you guys know that I am fully aware of what I am getting into, and don't take sticking needles in my body on a regular bases lightly.
Stats:Age: 28

Years Training: 13 years

Number of cycles: 1 cycle of test cyp at 500mg a week for 7 weeks ended roughly 4 months ago.
Weight: 250lbs (recently cut down from 266lbs from June 10th after a power lifting meet)

Diet: Zig Zagging calories daily based on activity level. Basically low carb paleo (Anabolic Diet, Palumbo diet style eating,) with a higher carb refeed every 3rd night.


Supps: Krill oil, Fish oil, Seasamin oil, Creatine, Glutamine, Essential aminos, Branched chained aminos, Alcar, Taurine.

Currently planned cycle
Test prop Wk 1-2 & 10-11 x 50mg ED x 350mg a week
Test cyp. Wk 1-8 x 200mg x Sun & Wed x 400mg a week
Tren A. Wk 4-11 x EOD x 75mg x 300mg a week
Mast. Wk 6-11x ED x 50mg x 350mg a week

Estrogen control
.5 Letro EOD

Fat loss

Alternating
Clen and ECA in 2 week intervals
Various fat burner sample packets I get from local bodybuilding shows

Here are my questions
1) I have read a lot about test/tren cycles, and there seems to be a school of thought that believes test should be run lower than tren. But then there is also a side that says test and tren should be ran at the same mg per week. My main goal is conditioning, but I wouldnt be mad if I got to add a pound or two to my frame in the process. What do you think? (The books Ive read tend to reccommend dosages much lower than what I have seen many on the boards reccomending.)

2) I've got some Rui Prami on the way, but is a prolactin inhibitor really nessasary if I dont have any sides? I never had any issues with gyno during my test cycle, so do you think it would be fine just to keep the Prami on hand? Or should I take it from the start? If I am running Letro EOD is the Prami even needed since prolactin couldnt get out of control without estrogen first getting out of hand?

3) Do you think HCgenerate would keep my libido right while on cycle? I know the tren can be rough on the boys. Would Viagra or Cialis be enough to allow me to perform while in cycle?

4) I am a little confused as to the crossover periods between cyp and prop. after 2 weeks of dosing esters and prop it seems like by week 3 my test levels are gonna be crazy high. Should I be worried about this? What is the best protocol to hop from prop to cyp, and then back to prop again for the last two weeks of the show?

1) for prep, your test dosage should be lower. A lot of guys will only run a cruise dose of test (200mg or so) per week to keep water retention down since higher test dosages will cause you to hold more water.

2) any time running a nandrolone, you should be running something to control prolactin while on. I prefer Caber, but Prami will work as well

3) HCGenerate will not only help libido while on cycle, but it will really help keeps your nuts from shrinking too much and help to prevent shutdown. HCGenerate is very necessary on cycle in my opinion.

4) as you get closer to the show date, your test dose should be lower and lower to help you dry out anyways. So, once you come off of the cypionate it will take a few weeks for it to completely clear. I would stop the test C about 5-6 weeks out. Just run a very low dose of Test P during that time. (50mg EOD should be plenty) up until the show.

 

[Paleojacked]

Thanks a lot for your reply. So you think 200 mg of test and 350 mg of tren a week will be a good dose? What about the first 4 weeks when I am running test only? Or is 200mg only good in conjunction with the tren?

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[RickRock13]

Thanks a lot for your reply. So you think 200 mg of test and 350 mg of tren a week will be a good dose? What about the first 4 weeks when I am running test only? Or is 200mg only good in conjunction with the tren?

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Yeh that dose is good even without the tren during prep

 

[Paleojacked]

Ok, thanks brother.

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