2nd Cycle - Bulk, Help.

[MaRsBoi]

2nd Cycle - Winny / Test questions.

Ok, bro's its that time again Please post your thoughts.

Cycle:
wk1 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk2 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk3 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk4 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk5 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk6 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk7 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk8 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk9 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk10 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk11 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk12 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk13 Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk14 Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk15 Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk15 Winny Inj (DOSE???)

Stats:
Age: 23
Weight: 190 - Lean
Height: 5,11
Training: 2.5 years
Diet: Really good.

Goal:
*MASS* but in the end I would also like it to look good (bloat/water gone)

Questions:
1. Winny Dose, never used it. Would like to use it for water and for bringing out the gains in the end. Am I overdoing it going to 15 on winny? I dont want to run longer then 12 with the test/deca so thats not an option. If anything I will make my cycle shorter to incorperate the Winny effectivly (if needed at all). Any ideas?

2. Tappering the test. Its not necessary with sustanon but this is diffrent. Should I tapper and how much / when?

Thanks for the help guys, any q's that need to be asked privatly can be sent to [email protected]

 

[ruggermu]

I'm running Test/Deca/DBol for my second. So first good luck. I'm not real experienced so my only advice though is cut D-bol to 4 weeks and make it 20mg instead of 10. I think 10 is to low.

 

[MaRsBoi]

I'm running Test/Deca/DBol for my second. So first good luck. I'm not real experienced so my only advice though is cut D-bol to 4 weeks and make it 20mg instead of 10. I think 10 is to low.

I see, Cut it to 4? im a little worried about that since the test might not kick by then. Maybe 15mg / 6 ?? I know 8 is a bit much but thats why I posted

Just a thought.

Thanks again, Keep em comming - Its much appreciated!

p.s good luck to you too bro, We should post our results, Also, when do u plan on starting? Im starting mid May.

Also, Hows your diet? mine is almost perfect but boring as hell. How about u?

 

[MaRsBoi]

One more question, Injection times, Last cycle I did I splt the shots up to two a week 500mg sust 400mg deca / 2 = 250mg sust + 200 mg deca Just to keep everything steady int he blood.

Was this necessay? Are there benafits to it. I dont care about discomfort or too many shots (with in reason) im after a solid cycle.

 

[ruggermu]

I'm starting mine in May as well. The 1st. It's my first time with D-bol so I'm gonna bump this up for definate froma vet. But I think 20 is the low end of the dose range. I'm not sure you want to go below that.

In answer to you question diet's good, clean. Still fighting to get more all the time though. I get the food down but damn if I don't feel like I'm gonna explode by late evening.

 

[ruggermu]

Some one experienced help him out

 

[hammertime30]

Re: 2nd Cycle - Winny / Test questions.

Ok, bro's its that time again Please post your thoughts.

Cycle:
wk1 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk2 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk3 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk4 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk5 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk6 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk7 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk8 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - D-bol 10mg (ED)
wk9 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk10 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk11 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk12 Test 400 / 500mg - Deca Nan / 200mg - Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk13 Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk14 Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk15 Winny Inj (DOSE???)
wk15 Winny Inj (DOSE???)

Stats:
Age: 23
Weight: 190 - Lean
Height: 5,11
Training: 2.5 years
Diet: Really good.

Goal:
*MASS* but in the end I would also like it to look good (bloat/water gone)

Questions:
1. Winny Dose, never used it. Would like to use it for water and for bringing out the gains in the end. Am I overdoing it going to 15 on winny? I dont want to run longer then 12 with the test/deca so thats not an option. If anything I will make my cycle shorter to incorperate the Winny effectivly (if needed at all). Any ideas?

2. Tappering the test. Its not necessary with sustanon but this is diffrent. Should I tapper and how much / when?

Thanks for the help guys, any q's that need to be asked privatly can be sent to [email protected]

Test 400mg - weeks 1-14
deca 200mg weeks 1-12
dbol 20mg - weeks 1-5
winny 50mg - weeks 6-14

start PCT on week 16

If you have a problem (and I don't see why) running over 12 weeks...then you need to stop deca on week 10 (12 is better)...always run test a good 2 weeks after deca.......Don't taper....it's a waste of time.....you need an aggressive PCT....I would run HCG with my cycle at 250-300ius every 4-5 days starting around week 4......Clomid/nolva starts week 16 at a very aggressive dosage.......

 

[azul]

Re: 2nd Cycle - Winny / Test questions.

1. Get some real testosterone
2. 300mg of deca per week
3. 20-30mg of d-bol per day for no more than 4 weeks
4. You can run winny for the last 4 weeks of the cycle if you're going for 12 weeks. Don't run it by itself.
5. Test doesn't need to be tapered.
6. Do I need to contact you privately if I want nekkid pictures, or can I just ask here?

 

[MaRsBoi]

Re: 2nd Cycle - Winny / Test questions.

1. Get some real testosterone
2. 300mg of deca per week
3. 20-30mg of d-bol per day for no more than 4 weeks
4. You can run winny for the last 4 weeks of the cycle if you're going for 12 weeks. Don't run it by itself.
5. Test doesn't need to be tapered.
6. Do I need to contact you privately if I want nekkid pictures, or can I just ask here?

U can just ask here... for a low low price of 9.99 I can... lol homo.

Thanks for the advice, its much appreciated. I knew coming here would answer my questions. I had an account here about 3 years ago, Bonez160 Made a new account cause it was a little outdated considring im up by 35 pounds lol.

Im going to run d-bol ed @ 20mg for 4 weeks and run the winny for only the final 4 weeks.


p.s what did you mean by get some real test? I have access to a large selection of gear. Should I be doing something else? Also, I want to keep the doses to a miniimum. I like test and want to continue using it for a while, just not at high doses.


Thanks again everyone - big help.

 

[azul]

Re: 2nd Cycle - Winny / Test questions.

U can just ask here... for a low low price of 9.99 I can... lol homo.

Thanks for the advice, its much appreciated. I knew coming here would answer my questions. I had an account here about 3 years ago, Bonez160 Made a new account cause it was a little outdated considring im up by 35 pounds lol.

Im going to run d-bol ed @ 20mg for 4 weeks and run the winny for only the final 4 weeks.


p.s what did you mean by get some real test? I have access to a large selection of gear. Should I be doing something else? Also, I want to keep the doses to a miniimum. I like test and want to continue using it for a while, just not at high doses.


Thanks again everyone - big help.

No need to call me names...

Real test as in cypionate or enanthate. Do you know how sustanon works?

 

[MaRsBoi]

Re: 2nd Cycle - Winny / Test questions.

No need to call me names...

Real test as in cypionate or enanthate. Do you know how sustanon works?

Haha, I was only kidding bro.

Sure do - 4 diffrent esters two with short half lifes two with long. That was my first syscle and unfortuanly I cant get my hands on any real sustanon so I had to make do.

It was a toss up between Test 400 and Enanthate, I can still grab Enanthate.

Could you e-mail the pros and cons between the two? I was told Test 400 is better for bulking. I know enanthate is great too but which is better?

Thanks again. You guys have been a big help.

 

[azul]

Re: 2nd Cycle - Winny / Test questions.

Haha, I was only kidding bro.

Sure do - 4 diffrent esters two with short half lifes two with long. That was my first syscle and unfortuanly I cant get my hands on any real sustanon so I had to make do.

It was a toss up between Test 400 and Enanthate, I can still grab Enanthate.

Could you e-mail the pros and cons between the two? I was told Test 400 is better for bulking. I know enanthate is great too but which is better?

Thanks again. You guys have been a big help.

Enanthate has a half-life of 10.5 days. Sustanon/250/400 is a different blend of tests with short, moderate, and long half-lives. Yes, mg for mg, sustanon is stronger and it does kick in faster, but I believe that ultimately, the same dose for enanthate will bring better results.

 

[MaRsBoi]

Re: 2nd Cycle - Winny / Test questions.

Enanthate has a half-life of 10.5 days. Sustanon/250/400 is a different blend of tests with short, moderate, and long half-lives. Yes, mg for mg, sustanon is stronger and it does kick in faster, but I believe that ultimately, the same dose for enanthate will bring better results.

Thanks azul, I will consult my training partner and come up with a final cycle and post.

everyone has been a huge help. Glad I have such a resource to come to with questions.

Look for the pics b4/afters once we start.

Thanks!