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250mg of test too much for 20yr old

so waiting two years makes a big difference....what u guys are saying is ur test levels wont return to normal so wait till your 24-25....at that time ur test levels are still high...and then u have to cycle for the rest of your life because your test levels will never return to the same. so whats the difference if ur juicin two extra years? regardless ur test levels wont come back. just doenst add up to me
 
your collarbone, ribcage and pelvic bones are still growing when you are 20. Juicing at 20 is not smart. Wait at least about 2-3 years. You don't want to expose your growing skeleton to estrogens and you will do that if you use testosterone.

Your also kind of dumb on average at 20 and are likely to get into trouble because you think you are so special because you have so much testosterone in you.
 
Davs said:
your collarbone, ribcage and pelvic bones are still growing when you are 20. Juicing at 20 is not smart. Wait at least about 2-3 years. You don't want to expose your growing skeleton to estrogens and you will do that if you use testosterone.

There are so many factors involved at the present time.

It sounds like you are pretty good sized as is.

Give it some more time. Make sure your training and nutrition is the best it can be. Everyone gets side effects sooner or later. Do some more detailed research and I'm positive that when you are ready to jump on in a few years, you will obtain the results you want as well minimizing the side effects.

But if you want my opinion. I would run a cycle @ 500 mgs for six weeks with proper PCT.

Better safe than sorry.
 
Jenetic said:
But if you want my opinion. I would run a cycle @ 500 mgs for six weeks with proper PCT.

Exactly what i was thinking, 6 weeks 500mg/week then pct! 10 weeks for a first cycle is quite a bit.
 
Davs said:
your collarbone, ribcage and pelvic bones are still growing when you are 20. Juicing at 20 is not smart. Wait at least about 2-3 years. You don't want to expose your growing skeleton to estrogens and you will do that if you use testosterone.

agree

Duncan_floyd said:
actually 250mg /wk is way plenty however for a 20 yr old it is a waste and actually hrt is like 250mg every 3 weeks or so it is not alot at all but as for you pal wait til your like 24-25 to use your test is through the roof now i am 29 and have been using since 25-26 and am glad i waited but this isnt what you wanna hear i know we all wanna get big quick but in reality otc supplements have evolved light years since i was 20 all i had was plain creatine powder and chalky soy protein powder eat big train big take a weight gainer and good new creatine powder and watch yourself grow forget about the juice for now

agree

member mate wait another year and a half/ two years, it is in your interest to do so. besides if you ahve been training for 4 years so far, you probably look really good compared to your peers anyway, so youre sure to get the girls as you are.

cheers
 
I'd recommend using the higher dosage. You will get better results and the side effects wont be any worse. Taking 250 mg/week of test enanthate will shut you down the same as 500 mg/week will, but you will definitely get better results from the higher dosage. As far as your natural levels coming back it will probably take a while. Things have certainly gotten better over the past 10-15 years with the availability of anti-estrogens and HCG, but expect a little "down" time after your cycle. Test cycles definitely shut you down but pack on the strength and mass, its just a choice you have to make. At your age and strength you can probably stay natural and do pretty well, but if you want to achieve a greater result then go for it.

If you are going to take test, you might want to consider sustanon, because it seems to give less of a bloat (water weight) than cypoinate or enanthate and seems to be less likely to have estrogenic effects. Good luck.
 
wow man this thread is incredible thanks guys. well it seems to me about half and half, ive decided that IF i go through with it ill go with the 500mg for 6 weeks. sust is alittle bit too much more expensive, but if the results are better perhaps ill go with it. pct will prob just be clomid. not sure of amt or time jus yet, still gotta research taht before i start.

about my diet and training, theyre both pretty good right now, im just having a hard time fittin in over 5k cals a day with work and such and thats what i need to gain wegiht, so thats why im looking at juice, (not for girls, although its a nice added bonus haha).
anyway thanks to everyone who replied, and keep the comments coming
member
 
Okay, just for the record... your natural testosterone levels ARE NOT THAT MUCH HIGHER at 20 than 30.

You're not going to magically grow better now than you would in 10 years. 20 vs 30 represents a testosterone drop of maybe 10-20%. It would be like dosing 50 mg/week of test vs not.

On a mild cycle, your test should return to normal. You won't miss some magic window of naturally super-high testosterone associated with being 20 yrs old.

Now, it's not unheard of to still be growing at 20. I'm not sure about the whole pelvis and clavicle growth thing. I wouldn't trust some guy's word on the internet; ask a doctor.
 
no doubt about it, your pelvis, ribcage and clavicle, scapula and some other bone structures are still growing at 20. If you take large exogeous dosages of testosterone you are going to risk malformation of the natural pattern. Just waiting is the best choice because of this. Go get a book at a university library on bone growth, osteology, somehting like that, you will see for yourself. At least check thatout, research that before you make yor choice. Estrogens form the testosterone you take, working through aromatase can change your skeletal structure in a non desireable way,think about that too.
 
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