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250 mg test good for a first cycle
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darkvader111
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My 1st cycle was 250mgs test cyp for 10 wks and i gained 25lbs and kept 20 of it.
darkvader111
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My 1st cycle was 250mgs test cyp for 10 wks and i gained 25lbs and kept 20 of it.
definately get nolva on handjust incase...
also you might want to run it for 10 weeks at that dosage you are very safe and running it longer will help with the gains...
most here will say up it to 500 but if you have PATIENCE (a virtue lost among many first timers) you really have nothing to lose going with 250mg
ijust go for it.. its not the juice that makes the muscle it is your dedication and determination!!!!
but get those anti e's on hand b4 you shoot
also you might want to run it for 10 weeks at that dosage you are very safe and running it longer will help with the gains...
most here will say up it to 500 but if you have PATIENCE (a virtue lost among many first timers) you really have nothing to lose going with 250mg
ijust go for it.. its not the juice that makes the muscle it is your dedication and determination!!!!
but get those anti e's on hand b4 you shoot
i think 250mg would be fine bro, i did just about 400mg ew for my first and gained 30lbs. Had some water and also fat, so in the end 15-20lbs of muscle, I was very happy to say the least.
The only thing I would recommend would be running some prop for 2 wks while the enanthate esters clear your system before you hit your clomid therapy.
Always have nolv on hand btw. Better safe than sorry.
The only thing I would recommend would be running some prop for 2 wks while the enanthate esters clear your system before you hit your clomid therapy.
Always have nolv on hand btw. Better safe than sorry.
Hey RJ,
I don’t mean to jump in but Gyno can happen at any dose and a Test only cycle with no other anabolic agent present is not a great cycle especially at only 250mg/wk.
Clomid should be done after every cycle if you don’t want to crash, trust me you will crash without clomid.
Novaldex is always good to keep on hand incase.
Hope this helps,
Slider
I don’t mean to jump in but Gyno can happen at any dose and a Test only cycle with no other anabolic agent present is not a great cycle especially at only 250mg/wk.
Clomid should be done after every cycle if you don’t want to crash, trust me you will crash without clomid.
Novaldex is always good to keep on hand incase.
Hope this helps,
Slider
rjl296
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Slider said:
yah, i'm gonna run the clomid obviously now. ditto by keeping nolva close by. also prolly gonna run dbol for first few weeks too.i know gyno can happen at any dosage, but arewn't your chances higher with a higher dosage ??? or am i totally lost.
i'm not looking for a lot of weight, i'm looking to keep ~ 8- 10 lbs from this.
RJ,
Yes the higher the dose in a cycle the more chances of Gyno but with your good buddy Nolvadex you will be fine.
Also the best for keeping gains is not just to come off slow but to end with a agent that is more for keeping gains like Winny(winstrol) or our good buddy Fina.
Remember this is my .02 and everyone is different with different ideas I’m just going off MY personal experience and my bro’s.
Slider
Yes the higher the dose in a cycle the more chances of Gyno but with your good buddy Nolvadex you will be fine.
Also the best for keeping gains is not just to come off slow but to end with a agent that is more for keeping gains like Winny(winstrol) or our good buddy Fina.
Remember this is my .02 and everyone is different with different ideas I’m just going off MY personal experience and my bro’s.
Slider
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slobberknocker
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Slider said:
Why not?
did exactly what you propose for 8 weeks - good for 20 pounds. no anti-e and no problems
ginandjuice2631
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I am just fininshing my first week of a 250 mg test and 200 mg EQ. This is my first cycle also. I can't wait for the shit to kick in.
id be interested to see you're results from just 250 a week, my first test cycle had 500 mg a week. Im in week 5 and im up 25 lbs but im retaining a lot of water.
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Johnny Cut
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heavywear said:
me 2
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slobberknocker
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Slider, I'm still waiting to hear why you think test only cycles are bad.
you will see modest results, your young so your natural test levels are most likly in good shape and the extra test will bring you over the top. Yes have anti e around just in case.
Test only at 250mg/wk is weak since the esters, like Enanthate and Cypionate, take up part of the weight of a labeled dose of test. The esters vary, but around 23% or so of the total weight of let say 1000 mg of test Enanthate will only have about 770 mg of test and 230 mg of the ester.
So if you can understand the above you will probably be able to figure out the calculation for 250mg/wk of established Test.
From all past experiences it’s just weak and why most guys keep 75% of the gains from that kind of cycle is that they did do the right think and run Clomid and some HCG, but had a good natural test level before the cycle.
Slider
So if you can understand the above you will probably be able to figure out the calculation for 250mg/wk of established Test.
From all past experiences it’s just weak and why most guys keep 75% of the gains from that kind of cycle is that they did do the right think and run Clomid and some HCG, but had a good natural test level before the cycle.
Slider
Let's think about this once. The average male produces the equivalent of 100mg. test per week. This guy is young, so he may be slightly higher. The exogenous test shuts down natural production, so you trade off 100mg. for 100mg. This leaves you with only a 50mg advantage, at 150mg once the drug reaches serum levels.
My opinion.......more is better. Make that first cycle memorable.
My opinion.......more is better. Make that first cycle memorable.
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chanmanfoo
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i think 250-300 mgs is very reasonable for first cycle. my first consisted of test cyp two 150 mg shots a week for eight weeks. had both nolva and clomid on hand and ended up using neither. i was 20 years old at that time 185lbs, after eight weeks 215lbs, waited a couple weeks and when it was time to start my clomid i did not feel that shut down so i kept pushing it back. over the next one year + i lost ten lbs until next cycle. i think obviously everyone is different but i think more people are probably capable of big gains without such high doses but they never give themselves a chance to find out by starting out with such large doses, and then upping the dose so much every cycle that they cant gain off of less than a gram. i dont want to start another clomid good clomid bad thread but i have many cycles under my belt and have never once used the stuff. i honestly think some people need it, but many do not.
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Texas Ranger
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Guys, I beg to differ. The average healthy male produces 50-70mgs of Test a week. Ask any urologist and he'll confirm it. I did.
Some guys produce above this amount, but nothing more than 75-80mgs of Test, tops.
Some guys produce above this amount, but nothing more than 75-80mgs of Test, tops.
If you are going to do 250mg/week you should just forget the test and stick to creatine and protein. That is not a huge bump in test and you may not see anything at all from that. Very few will have great gains from that.
I know some will chime in a say they gained 25lbs of lean muscle from sustanon 250mg/week for 8 weeks. I don't buy it and I find that humorous. Don't believe all the hype. If you gain 20lbs of actual muscle and not water or fat from any 12 week cycle consider yourself gifted. The body simply doesn't add muscle that fast, but it will fat and water. You could be a gear freak, but don't count on that.
If you cross the line and join the dark side, then do it right. Most will recommend 400mg/week as a base and have the anti-e's on hand.
I know some will chime in a say they gained 25lbs of lean muscle from sustanon 250mg/week for 8 weeks. I don't buy it and I find that humorous. Don't believe all the hype. If you gain 20lbs of actual muscle and not water or fat from any 12 week cycle consider yourself gifted. The body simply doesn't add muscle that fast, but it will fat and water. You could be a gear freak, but don't count on that.
If you cross the line and join the dark side, then do it right. Most will recommend 400mg/week as a base and have the anti-e's on hand.
Right you are, TR. I mistyped.
Texas Ranger
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Quadsweep, used Test@250mgs for 8 weeks as his First Cycle. Guess what? He gained 27lbs and kept 20lbs!! He's not alone. So, it can be done. But, everyone is DIFFERENT!!! There's no way to find out what will work until you try it for yourself.
