240lbs second cycle - am I a moron?!

[Strangle Hold]

Start 2nd cycle next week. I weight 240 lbs and would like an educated opinion.
My cycle is as follows:
10 weeks:
Test Cypionate 200 mg - I take 2 ccs a week
Nandrolone deconate 200 mg - 2 ccs a week
Test Propionate 100 mg 1 cc 3 times a week
Winstrol depot 1 cc 3 times a week
Teslac every day starting on 2nd week
Genotropin .8 = 5-6 times a week = year round
Cyanocobalamin 1000mcg/ml 1cc per week = year round
HCG 2 weeks after cycle ends = 10,000 units over 10 days

I know doses are pretty low but I only take 4 weeks off.
Thanks in advance for any and all opinions/help.

36 years old / lots of training experience - not go-go juice experience.
World class Cage fighter / want to weigh in at 270lbs
Pretty lean = in great shape

 

[wnt2bBeast]

First a little more info, age ,training experience, bf?..Second when you list a proposed cycle speak in terms of mg's.. 1 cc means absolutely nothing!!!

 

[jeb0177]

1cc???? Mg Would Be Better!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Strangle Hold]

36 years old / lots of training experience - not go go juice experience.
Cage fighting / want to weigh in at 270lbs
Pretty lean = great shape
Sorry about cc's - That is how I was told and that's what my syringes say!?!?

 

[Ulter]

You need to do a lot more reading about what you're doing because you don't know enough to do what you're asking about.
First of all cc's might be what's on your syringe but 1cc of deca can vary from 100mg to 400mg.
No you shouldn't use winny 3 times a week it is for daily use and being a rank novice you should be drinking it not shooting it.
5000iu at the end of 10 weeks is just plain stupid. What kind of post cycle treatment is that? You'll crash so hard 4 weeks post cycle that you won't want to get out of bed for a month.
You're about to get into something you don't understand and you have more questions than you know. Who ever is doling out this advice to you is going to phuck you up.
If you don't do anything else at least learn what to do when you come off for your post cycle treatment or PCT.

 

[Strangle Hold]

200mg for test cyp and deca
100mg for test pro
I just did a similar cycle that ended a month ago and I don't feel bad.
I guess I should?!?!?
Thanks for telling me that 5000 iu at end is stupid but would have been better if you told me what wouldn't be stupid.
My doctor said injectible Winstrol was easier on the liver.

 

[jeb0177]

winny is still a 17 aa steroid, eitherway is harsh on the liver.

 

[Strangle Hold]

I'm sure it is but I would believe that it's less harsh injected.

 

[RADAR]

200mg for test cyp and deca
100mg for test pro
I just did a similar cycle that ended a month ago and I don't feel bad.
I guess I should?!?!?
Thanks for telling me that 5000 iu at end is stupid but would have been better if you told me what wouldn't be stupid.
My doctor said injectible Winstrol was easier on the liver.

Your DR. Doen't know Sh*T when it comes to steroids, whether you inj or drink its still that same Winstrol and "yes" its hard on the liver either way!Peroid!

RADAR

 

[Ulter]

How could your doctor tell you that injectable winny is safer?
First of all winny in humans is not approved in the United States so you doctor probably has little to no experience with it. Second there is no doctor in his right mind that would tell you that a 17aa steroid that HAS TO BE BROKEN DOWN IN YOUR LIVER TO WORK is any safer just because you inject it.
If you did a cycle like this a month ago then you'd better do this one quick before the deca runs out of your system and you have no androgen left because you'll crash.
No one is trying to give you a hard time bro but you can't come on a discussion board with virtually no idea about what you're doing and expect everyone to hold your hand and guide you through your cycle. The people here usually read about how to cycle for weeks before posting a cycle.
Click on the link below and read up on post cycle recovery.

http://www.anabolicfitness.net/library/recovery.htm

 

[Strangle Hold]

Ulter,

Thanks for the info.
I really appreciate it.

For everyone:
I have a lot of guys come to me to learn to fight and I could go a couple different ways.
First I can embarrase them very quickly and they will never try to learn again or I can show them in a nice non confrontational manner and they will learn something and be excited to learn more.
Sorry if I have no idea about roids but everyone should remember that we all have our strengths and if we all share our knowledge we will all be better for it. Go easy on me and I'll go easy on the next muscle head that wants to learn how to fight.

Thanks

 

[slash747]

These guys arn't trashing you to get their jollies off. They dont want to see you get hurt. If I go to learn how to fight worse case scenario, I get my ass kicked, break a rib a nose, etc... I will heal..

You fuck up youre pituatary, and shut down youre natty test production hard enough where you cant recover. youre fucked bro. Plain and simple. I think I speak for these guys when I say they would rather see you not do anything, and leave here hating them, then have it on their conscious that they made a friend but fucked him up for life...

Ulter,

Thanks for the info.
I really appreciate it.

For everyone:
I have a lot of guys come to me to learn to fight and I could go a couple different ways.
First I can embarrase them very quickly and they will never try to learn again or I can show them in a nice non confrontational manner and they will learn something and be excited to learn more.
Sorry if I have no idea about roids but everyone should remember that we all have our strengths and if we all share our knowledge we will all be better for it. Go easy on me and I'll go easy on the next muscle head that wants to learn how to fight.

Thanks

 

[Strangle Hold]

These guys arn't trashing you to get their jollies off. They dont want to see you get hurt. If I go to learn how to fight worse case scenario, I get my ass kicked, break a rib a nose, etc... I will heal..

You fuck up youre pituatary, and shut down youre natty test production hard enough where you cant recover. youre fucked bro. Plain and simple. I think I speak for these guys when I say they would rather see you not do anything, and leave here hating them, then have it on their conscious that they made a friend but fucked him up for life...

slash747 Thanks for that - I understand.

 

[Muraco]

I'm 39, so I'm around your age. I'm also in the 240 range wanting to get up into the 260's-270's. You are probably taller than me, I'm 5-10. I've been competing in BB and doing many cycles for many years. I'd say you'll need to up your test Cyp to about 800mg., Deca to 600 or 900, and Prop to 300 and drop all the other stuff. You may want to stay on year-round and just take short breaks. And just study, study, study all the info on as many of these boards as you can! Good luck, bro!

 

[slat1]

Shit I'm 234 clean at a little below 10% bf at 6'3". I have never used that much stuff.
Ulter is right on the money. He wants to make sure you don't get fucked up.
Check out the PCT sticky up top. You will know more about it than your doctor does when you are done reading.
You haven't crashed yet because the deca is now just leaving your system.
Know that it will take time, a good diet, sleep, correct training and proper PCT protocall to get to 260, 270 and stay there.
Good Luck

 

[Goodfellow]

Bro I would do it like this:

Week 1-10 Test enanthate 500mg
Week 1-10 Deca 400mg
Week 1-2 Test Prop 100mg M,W,F
Weeks 10-12 Test Prop 100mg M,W,F
Weeks 8-12 Winstrol 50mg ed (winny must be shot ed in order to maintain steady blood levels)
Weeks 11-12 HCG 500iu M,W,F
then you can start your clomid and or nolva theropy
run the gh the entire time

I really dont think you are going to be able to get up to 270 in 12 weeks. If you do it wont all be muscle.

 

[garbagegut]

Goodfellow's cycle layout and dosages look great ... the prop during wks 1 & 2 will really jump start your cycle.

(With all the stuff your shooting ... I'd drink the winny ... just my 2 cents)

-GG

 

[Strangle Hold]

Thanks everyone for all the great info.
I really appreciate the time you've given me. I'm reading a lot about PCT and agree that I'll know more than my Doc soon.
Once again thanks.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Bro I would do it like this:

Week 1-10 Test enanthate 500mg
Week 1-10 Deca 400mg
Week 1-2 Test Prop 100mg M,W,F
Weeks 10-12 Test Prop 100mg M,W,F
Weeks 8-12 Winstrol 50mg ed (winny must be shot ed in order to maintain steady blood levels)
Weeks 11-12 HCG 500iu M,W,F
then you can start your clomid and or nolva theropy
run the gh the entire time

I really dont think you are going to be able to get up to 270 in 12 weeks. If you do it wont all be muscle.

Good game plan. You may wish to use a bit of letrozol if estragen becomes a problem, but overall this looks like a solid cycle for what you are trying to achieve.

 

[Quadsweep]

winny is still a 17 aa steroid, eitherway is harsh on the liver.

nope, no first pass with injectables. Still has to go through the liver but much easier on ya.

Quad

 

[liquidmuscle]

ulter, as far as stanozolol goes i thought it was for dogs/cats as well but low and behold there is winny out there that is human grade. I had some. PM me for my email and i can confirm this for you. as far as your doc says about winny inject being easier, yes it is but its still hard on your liver since it still passes thru it reagrdless as quad mentioned. this isnt a game, its for real, you dont get a second chance or a get out of jail free card. This board is here so that we all learn from each other, no one person is the same i grow on low dose while others need a insane amount, in the end you will find out what kind of pace you need to take in the AAS world. GOOD LUCK

 

[Nathan]

nope, no first pass with injectables. Still has to go through the liver but much easier on ya.

Quad

I'm with Quadsweep..
Anyways, slow and steady always wins the race or some such nonsense. The bottom line is you don't need all that to get where you want to. Just don't force it and take the time to do it right. You'll get to where you want to go but if you're expecting 30lbs of lbm from a single cycle then I think you need to adjust your goals my friend.

 

[Ulter]

Liquid, There is winny out there but it has to be compounded. Doctor's here are totally unfamiliar with it.

 

[Strangle Hold]

Liquid, There is winny out there but it has to be compounded. Doctor's here are totally unfamiliar with it.

Slow and steady - got it.
Actually the reason I was thinking 30 lbs was because that is what I gained on my first cycle.
Obviously it wasn't all lean muscle mass but it went real well.
If I gained 10 or 15 lbs of LMM I'd be very happy.
Thanks for all the input guys.