2 possible cycles, which is better?

[QuadCam]

Yeah I know, they're combo size/cut cycles (aka spring break cycles) please give an opinion anyway...

Here's my original plan:

1) 50mg ip dbol ed, weeks 1-4

2) 500mg org sust weeks 1-10

3) 400mg ttokkyo eq weeks 1-10

4) 50mg ip winny tabs, ed weeks 5-10

5) 1/4 tab arimidex eod throughout

6) clomid

However, due to the fact that I seem to shed hair on winny, and have really achy joints--ditto both sides for dbol even at 20mg--I'm considering this alternative:

1) 30mg ip anavar ed, weeks 1-10

2) 400mg T200 (saves coin), weeks 1-10

3) 400mg ttokkyo eq, weeks 1-10

4) 1/4 tab arimidex EOD throughout

5) clomid

What do you think in terms of results? This will be my 5th cycle ever, my last cycle (the only one I've done in 3 years) was 500mg sust weeks 1-10, 250mg teslac ed, and 15mg dbol ed weeks 1-6.

 

[kaoz&zen]

3) 400mg ttokkyo, weeks 1-10

Deca, or eq?. How about fina, or still worried about the hair loss.
Primo, eq, fina (and maybe anavar) would probably be a very good lean mass/hardening/vascularity cycle. Try searching this, i wonder how the results have been on this. The second cycle sounds solid, but how do u react to cutting while on test (arim/liquidex should take care of bloat.) On a side note, where ya going? Best of luck on what cycle you decide upon.

 

[QuadCam]

kaoz&zen, Thanks for the tip, I edited (eq).

While I love the way deca makes me feel in the gym, I hate it in the bedroom, even when taken in combo with twice the mg of test. Never tried fina but I'll try and avoid all progesteronic gear from now on. I've also heard that primo is killer on the hairline, but it's still a consideration. I can either gain or cut very well while on test, diet being the main variable of course. Also, I've considered running propecia/proscar throughout, but am worried about possible hindered gains.
Been to Cancun 2x and Key West last year, I'm going to Acapulco for my final SB, balls to the wall

thanks

 

[Ingram]

I like the first cycle you posted, but you should think of running the winny 6-12. This will give your liver a break for a week and then keep the gains going right untill the clomid.

 

[QuadCam]

Ingram, thanks for the suggestion. Makes sense, but I'll be on spring break (hepatic death) during week 11.

 

[promet1]

If winny is tough on the hair line how about fina

 

[joey10j]

hey bro, this is my spring break cycle: similar to yours, I'll be starting in Jan.

Week 1-2 ** Eq 800mg
Week 3-10 ** Eq 400 mg
Week 1-7 ** Anavar 40mg/Ed
Week 7-12 fina 75mg/ED
Week 7-12 Winny 50mg/Eod

Clomid 3 days after last shot of winny.

I'd also like some feedback on fina hair loss, and can I take the winny out and not get progestrone side effects.

 

[QuadCam]

Joey, the undecanate ester lasts forever, meaning you should start clomid (and plan on taking winny/fina) until 4 weeks after your last EQ shot. Like I said, I won't fuck with any progesterone based gear based on my previous bedroom performance--or lack of. I'm sure you'll get ripped though.

 

[joey10j]

hey quadcam, when you used Winny, did it shift your hairline,, or did you just shed hair overall. I plan on using Spiro, do you think it'll be effective?

 

[QuadCam]

Joey, I honestly think I could see my hair fall out when on winny. Test seems to have shifted my frontal hairline, but winny just made the shit fall out. BTW, I pm'd you.
I've never used spiro, but I've got some proscar/propecia laying around that I might incorporate this cycle. Might even try rogaine.

 

[QuadCam]

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