2 orals/gyno/anti es

[jmead]

i got my test/eq cycle planned out.. and i was wondering if this would be a bad idea..

1-13 test 500mg
1-12 eq 400mg
1-4 dbol 40mg
13-16 winny 50mg
16-19 PCT. hcg/nolva/clomid

3rd cycle, 10% bf 6'5'' 225lbs 21 years old, 4 years of lifting.. will running winny til pct effect my natty test from recovering or pose any other problems

taking milk thistle throughout should help right? and 9 weeks for my liver to recover from the dbol and get on the winny, ill probably be taking bloodwork about mid cycle.. i guess ill see where i stand.. but any opinions

another question kind of off subject.. aromasin/aifm combo throughout should kill any chances of gyno right? i also have nolva on hand

 

[rakasha681]

i got my test/eq cycle planned out.. and i was wondering if this would be a bad idea..

1-13 test 500mg
1-12 eq 400mg
1-4 dbol 40mg
13-16 winny 50mg
16-19 PCT. hcg/nolva/clomid

3rd cycle, 10% bf 6'5'' 225lbs 21 years old, 4 years of lifting.. will running winny til pct effect my natty test from recovering or pose any other problems

taking milk thistle throughout should help right? and 9 weeks for my liver to recover from the dbol and get on the winny, ill probably be taking bloodwork about mid cycle.. i guess ill see where i stand.. but any opinions

another question kind of off subject.. aromasin/aifm combo throughout should kill any chances of gyno right? i also have nolva on hand

Looks spot on to me. winny is fine to run up untill PCT, alot of people do that. Winny does effect your natty test, but it clears fast, so you can run it right up till PCT.

Milk thistle will def help for the orals, should grab some ALA too. Liv-52 is nice also.

Yep, aromasin/aifm should def take care of that. To further help with staying dry, i usually toss proviron in all my cycles as well.

Hope that helps.

 

[MR. BMJ]

i got my test/eq cycle planned out.. and i was wondering if this would be a bad idea..

1-13 test 500mg
1-12 eq 400mg
1-4 dbol 40mg
13-16 winny 50mg
16-19 PCT. hcg/nolva/clomid

3rd cycle, 10% bf 6'5'' 225lbs 21 years old, 4 years of lifting.. will running winny til pct effect my natty test from recovering or pose any other problems

taking milk thistle throughout should help right? and 9 weeks for my liver to recover from the dbol and get on the winny, ill probably be taking bloodwork about mid cycle.. i guess ill see where i stand.. but any opinions

another question kind of off subject.. aromasin/aifm combo throughout should kill any chances of gyno right? i also have nolva on hand

Extend the dbol to 6weeks
Start the winny from weeks 10-15.
Take AIFM throughout cycle. You will not need Aromasin or Nolvadex.

Start HCG weeks 15/16-17 @ 500-1000iu/d with AIFM
After the Hcg, Take clomid + AIFM for an additional 2-3 weeks.

After clomid, run AIFM past as needed....adjust accordingly...to your recovery and Estro levels.

Since you are more than likely "cycling" AAS and not on continuous HRT and oral use, then liver problems will not be much of a factor unless you have a pre-existing condition.

Take Tylers' Liver Detox offered at AF store, ALA, N-acetylcysteine if cheap, and you will be fine. You can throw in some added Milk Thistle if you want since it is cheap as hell. Tyler's is the most important though. I usually just use Tyler's and ALA for myself.

Keep water intake very high for kidneys.

And as always and most important, keep diet up to par and kick ass in the gym. Diet will make or break you. Tayor it to your correlate with your goals.

BMJ

 

[solidspine]

Looks great


you are going to be pleased with the results!

 

[jmead]

Extend the dbol to 6weeks
Start the winny from weeks 10-15.
Take AIFM throughout cycle. You will not need Aromasin or Nolvadex.

Start HCG weeks 15/16-17 @ 500-1000iu/d with AIFM
After the Hcg, Take clomid + AIFM for an additional 2-3 weeks.

After clomid, run AIFM past as needed....adjust accordingly...to your recovery and Estro levels.

Since you are more than likely "cycling" AAS and not on continuous HRT and oral use, then liver problems will not be much of a factor unless you have a pre-existing condition.

Take Tylers' Liver Detox offered at AF store, ALA, N-acetylcysteine if cheap, and you will be fine. You can throw in some added Milk Thistle if you want since it is cheap as hell. Tyler's is the most important though. I usually just use Tyler's and ALA for myself.

Keep water intake very high for kidneys.

And as always and most important, keep diet up to par and kick ass in the gym. Diet will make or break you. Tayor it to your correlate with your goals.

BMJ

so you people really stand behind the AIFM, and dont think i will need aromasin.. it wont exactly "hurt" me to take it e3d or something like that? i would rather be safe than sorry.. i know aifm has gotten good feedback all over the place.. but i already have some fatty deposits on my chest and i dont want that flaring up into gyno, the yohimburn should get rid of it but id rather be safe than sorry runnin all these aromatizing compounds..

am i wrong to want to take aromasin with AIFM, maybe just low dose both.. one backs up the other rather than rely all on AIFM and pray i dont grow a DDD tit overnight on the dbol.. this is my first time running test dbol AND eq.. all new compounds, rather supress estrogen too much and back off than fight the JUGS

 

[MR. BMJ]

You will be fine with AIFM. I'd go 2 sprays 2x/d (am/pm). You could always go up to 3 sprays 2x/d if you are really sensitive and need it. Increasing the AIFM will still come out cheaper than Aromasin.

It's no hype my man, this stuff is VERY effective. I didn't know what to expect at first, much like you. However, it is the most effective AI I have ever used, especially for the cost. I've never used Aromasin, but have used Letrozol and Arimidex, and I like it "better" than both of these. It is much stronger and/or effective than Arimidex.

BMJ

 

[jmead]

im gettin 2500 mg of aromasin for about the same cost as orderin aifm and shippin it to me.. so im just gettin both.. i might try just runnin aifm high dose.. and lower it as i see its effectiveness.. i am just expectin to bloat up on dbol/test/eq ive never ran dbol and most people i know gain 10 pounds in 2-3 weeks which obviously is mostly bloat/water retention

 

[MR. BMJ]

You'll be good with both. Aromasin and AIFM, I believe are pretty close in structure...or something like that.

These are the only 2 AI's I will ever use...at least for now (who know what the future will bring). I usually recommend AIFM though because it is usually cheaper for most....a lot cheaper for most.

Update us on how it goes though man.

Good Luck!
BMJ

 

[jmead]

bump for other opinions now that its morning..

 

[jmead]

im catchin some flack on for running 3 new steroids at once.. some opinions here? test is always a base.. so if i want to run EQ duh.. test/eq is required.. the dbol is for the first 5-6 weeks when im not seeing much gains/strength..

i have aromasin/aifm/nolva for gyno

milk thistle/tylers liver detox for liver..

hcg/clomid for atrophy

what other complications could i run into that im not prepared to take 3 new steroids at once? is there ANYTHING else that could go wrong in this cycle that i havent prepared for.. as far as sides

 

[MR. BMJ]

It depends who you ask. Some people have different opinions on what age a user should engage in AAS use. If you have reached you natural genetic potential/limit, then 21 yrs old is cool with me. Some will argue to stay natty until you have stopped making gains, then at that point, the option of using AAS will be more accepted. I also agree with this. At AF our consensus ranged somewhere around 21 with some arguing higher (a few lower) if you have been training for a few years, and like I mentioned, reached your full potential as a natty. AAS, to an extent, will not make up for bad dieting and training practices, so these should be learned through trial and arror naturally before taking the step towards AAS use. At 21, some know their body well, and some do not. It's hard to judge on these boards where people stand.

I wouldn't worry about the cycle giving too much problems as far as sides, as it is a very common cycle that people use with positive results. Remember, you are "cycling" and not staying on this stack year-around. So, you will be coming off of it, and thus giving yourself a recoop. This is pending on whether or not you have prior health problems. If you are a newbie at AAS or if this is your first cycle, then you may want to change it around so that you get a feel of things first before just jumping right in.

What has been your cycle history of AAS use?

Also, how long have you been training?

BMJ

 

[jmead]

i have been lifting since high school havent stopped.. played college baseball..had elbow sugery.. stopped baseball.. continued lifting

all in all i have been lifting 5 years off and on.. 3 years continuous

ive ran 2 cycles, first was 8 weeks deca 300mg, 2nd 10 weeks deca 300-400mg

i wasnt very informed as far as PCT and ancilliary drugs, i had no problems with gyno or progesterone..

ive ran some prohoromones/test booster (Axis HT/superdrol/ergomax/pheraflex) awhile back with little to no success.. basically just left me with some estrogen fatty deposits around my nipples with 9-10% bf.. which just kinda sucks.. yohimburn should take care of it im just waitin for it to arrive.. oh and my liver values were shot to shit..

the past 6 months i have seen very small results as far as strength.. size wise im actually losing weight, which some is lowerin bf.. but i think im losing some of my size i had from my last deca cycle which i gained 25 pounds on which is fuckin DEPRESSING.. i just had bloodwork done, and everything is perfect.. i think ive looked at every possible problem i could run into and prepared accordingly.. if i havent someone please tell me where im going wrong.. despite what some of you think i DO WANT OPINIONS im not set in stone

after alot of criticism im thinking

wk 1-13 test e 400mg EW 2x200mg
wk 1-12 EQ 400mg EW 2x200mg
wk 1-6 pink thai dbol ramp up from 10mg to 50mg ED (finding the proper dosing)possibly lower if i see i can get away with it
wk 1-19 AIFM 2 spray 2 times daily am-pm
wk 1-13 aromasin 20mg EOD, if i see AIFM is working alone i might drop it out

wk 15-16 HCG 1500mg EW 2x 750mg
wk 17-19 Clomid 100mg,50mg,50mg
wk 17-19 nolvadex 40mg, 20mg, 20mg

critique away.. leme have it..

 

[CO B-man]

AIFM I will always have some of that

 

[jmead]

opinions on preparation of 3 new compounds into my system? am i ready with the ancilliary drugs i have?

 

[jmead]

someone put a worst possible situation in my head as far as sides from test/eq/dbol.. and what drugs would combat it.. im not saying im for sure runnin all 3 compounds but i want to be prepared if i did

 

[MR. BMJ]

For me....

$$$ on new clothes.

Maybe some acne.

Some bloat from the Dbol....AIFM will works wonders here though.

BMJ

 

[jmead]

so im covered with aifm/aromasin/nolva/hcg.. right? what other sides could i possibly need to combat?

 

[jmead]

why can i get only one persons response? isnt this a forum?

 

[MR. BMJ]

What, i'm not good enough

Seriously, you are covered. You will learn as you go what effects you most and what you may be susceptible to. This will vary individual to individual (ie hair loss, acne, etc.).

If you are running AIFM during PCT, then do not bother with the Nolva for weeks 17-19, only run the AIFM with the clomid. Then at weeks 19+, run the AIFM judging how you feel as far as estrogen sides go. You will want to go down to 1 pump/day at this time as you do not want to lower estrogen levels too much, however, like I mentioned above, you will need tomonitor this on how you feel as everybody will be different (look for lack of sex drive and achy joints).

If you feel that you must have Nolvadex in the equation, which I don't feel you will,then run it the 2 weeks that you run your HCG (along with AIFM).

You could always add in some Tyler's Liver Detox for the liver if you wanted to.

BMJ

 

[MR. BMJ]

Are you still running the Winny at the end???

If not, then start the PCT (HCG) at week 13, then just follow as you have outlined.

In other words:

13-14: HCG + AIFM (Nolva optional).
15-17: Clomid + AIFM
18+: AIFM

BMJ

 

[jmead]

bmj your info has been VERY usefull.. but im gettin flamed hardcore on .com by a few mods for introducing the 3 new compounds.. im not crazy dosing.. and im not runing tren.. or other harsh compounds.. im just tryin to see if im jumping into something i cant handle.. with my anti e's liver protection and estrogen combatatives.. i think i should be fine.. what other sides could possibly occur besides high BP that i dont have a solution for?

 

[jmead]

bump, someone else? bmj feel free to add more your info is helping! haha

 

[jmead]

anyone?