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Saint-Tx

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50mg/ Winstrol Injections daily.

I KNOW'S: I KNOW..I KNOW... "winstrol isn't a the best 1st cycle choice" half say that, half love it. I don't know which half is correct but I do know this. After ALOT of research, I know it will have some effects, at least 10 15 lbs of lean muscle mass. It will have low sides ( I'm not prone to MPB ) And its the one my wife wont bitch at me about. Plus I'm not out for HUGE gains my first go around. I'm not looking to turn into Incredible Hulk...A well proportioned Spiderman will do fine for now.

PLAN: I plan on Taking 50mg a day for 8 weeks. Gaining some strength and moderate size. I want to see how my body reacts to winstrol, then next go around I'll try some Test enanthate. After that..THEN I might experiment with combos

GOAL: My goal is to gain 10-15 lbs of Lean muscle and increase my overall strength.

Stats: 10/07/06 - Natural

BI's: 13'' 2/8
Shoulders: 42'' 1/2
Chest: 36'' 6/8
Waist: 32'' 1/2

10/20/06 1st injection
(Its says I gained a couple inches in chest since 10/07 so I'm thinking I might of measured wrong the 1st time, I'ma keep closer watch on it)

Bi's 13'' 2/8
Shoulders 44''
Chest 38'' 1/2
Waist 32'' 1/2


Log
10/20/06 1st shot I had one of my co-workers that has been on gear for years come over and give me the low down on how to take a shot, and I had him stick me the first time. Everything went fine, It was slightly sore the first night. The next day a little more sore but no big deal.

10/21/06 2nd shot, My guy isn't here to help, so All I got is my wife,and my printed up internet notes lol. I was a little more nervous this time since there wasn't a vet here watching it go down. I decided to let my wife stick me as it felt like an awkard angle sticking myself. Her Goofy ass jabs the shit out of me and wiggles the needle a little bit. Needless to say it worked, but I had a little knot for a couple hours and a bruise for a few days.

10/22/06 3rd shot, its either me or my wife again. I figure...she fucked up once, I explained what she did wrong, she outta be able to figure it out this time. She pokes me, then pulls out and pokes me again. lol (gotta love us rookies huh) Surprisingly though that one felt closer to my first one. A little sore, but no bruise or knot. I'm guessing it was all mental but I had a great work out that night. I went up 5lbs on all my weights, ran a little longer and easier on my cardio. My muscles seemed tighter and more solid. All in all pretty good. Not sure If 3rd times a charm or If I should start sticking my self though lol.

The guy That I worked with told me I should do two shots a week 50 mg. or 1 every other day. Of winnie, not 1 a day.(He was also taking it with test and shit so I don't think he felt he needed as much winnie) I have been doing 50 mg a day. because thats what I heard gives you the most gains. At my wieght what do you guys think? Should I cut back or stay on track.

Also...I have a bruise on my right ass cheek from my wifes first fuck up, and the on one my left is just a little sore, but I did it yesterday. Should i stick it in the left again, and should I put it in exact same spot since I didn't hit a vein or move a little to the left or right?

10/24/06
I decided to let my wife do it again after seriously explaining in tedious detail all the steps. It payed off great. She did perfect...Her spreading the skin seemed to help A LOT. I didn't even feel it. No knot, no bruise, barely any pain. I shot it on the side I did two days ago...just below the bruise. Feel a pretty pumped. About to work out...Its cardio night, which sucks...I can't wait to hit my chest and bi's. It hasn't hit the rotation since I started.

10/25/06
Had a nice cardio/ab work out.Nothing extroidanary. I seem to be able to push through things easier. I still can't tell if its just in my head, but my cardio seems easier. I also had really, REALLY good sex last night with my wife. Not sure if the winny had anything to do with that, but the last 4 days I've been to tired to, but last night was like WHEW! lol

side note: I hear people say throw in 250mg/week of test enanthate. Question One...wouldn't 250mg/week barely make up for the amount of natural testosterone thats turned off by doing Test, or would the fact that its combined with winnie improve it. Question Two...would it be a bad Idea since I'm day 5 into this winnie cylce?
 
you typiclaly produce about 70-80mg of test a week, from what i remember.. so no, 250mg a week is not 'barely' making up..

oh, and this is a retarded cycle and you should quit while you're behind.
 
why are you shooting the winny, why are you doing winny alone, why are you even posting here if youve already started the cycle, why didnt you actually come talk to some of the members about your cycle before you started so you can actually benefit from aas, your first cycle should be test e/c, what is your weight height age and bf, why are your blowing your first cycle, its like paying to fuck a FAT UGLY hooker when there was hot ones to choose from, your wife sounds like she aint to bright, i could go on forever, but i wont. end
 
Its retarded if you want to look like Arnold...which I don't. And besided moderate gains and my wife helping me shoot daily, is getting her used to the idea. After researching on the internet, winstrol was the only thing she approved of, and since i didn't feel like hiding 60 shots from her in the next two months. This is a great 1st cycle. Next cycle I plan on running Test
 
says who? "the guys at the gym" .. i can almost guarantee you wont get more than 1-2 people on this whole forum that back what u just said
 
jmead said:
says who? "the guys at the gym" .. i can almost guarantee you wont get more than 1-2 people on this whole forum that back what u just said
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I've posted a 100 questions on 100 other boards. I've researched for months before I started my cycle. And one of my good friends who was about an 1" taller than me, and weighed about 5lbs more than me. Put on 17lbs of Lean muscle with a winnie only cycle. (His 1st cycle) and this doOd has been working out with me for the last 5 years, and has had practically the same lifestyle, besides the fact that I had quit drinking earlier than him. Its not really a matter if 1 or 2 people on this forum back me up or not. I've seen it work and produce the gains I'm looking for on my first go round. I'm not really asking anyone to approve my cycle, but look at the cycle I've laid out, and make comments or suggestions on how to IMPROVE the cycle i'm on...and how to make the most of it.. Not say it sucks. I'm also posting it more as a journal. So other people that might want to do a similar cycle can see how I went through it, good and bad, worries, and gains. And then they can make a more informed decision on wether or not they would like to start a similar cycle. Thanks though.
 
Saint-Tx said:
Its retarded if you want to look like Arnold...which I don't. And besided moderate gains and my wife helping me shoot daily, is getting her used to the idea. After researching on the internet, winstrol was the only thing she approved of, and since i didn't feel like hiding 60 shots from her in the next two months. This is a great 1st cycle. Next cycle I plan on running Test
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I gotta give you props for not being a pussy and hiding your gear use from wifey, but otherwise I think you're a tool for ignoring the advice of the people trying to help you. I refer to guys like you as "Neo-the savior of the anabolic matrix" You are the chosen one to be the 1st person to make remarkable gains by doing the exact opposite of what everyone suggests to do. Morpheus and that black chick that sits in the park feel the same way.

Why is everyone always trying to reinvent the wheel?

Duh: What's a good 1st cycle
Everybody: Test only
Duh: test only huh? I'm taking 50 mgs of winny a day, how's that?
Everybody: Test would be a better choice.
Duh: Should I take 50 mgs of Winny ED or EOD??? I'm taking test my next cycle.
Everybody: Did we not just say test would be a better choice for a 1st cycle?
Duh: Yeah, but that's not what I wanna hear so I'm ignoring it.
Everybody: So why are you asking for advice then?
Duh: You guys need to quit picking on me or I'm gonna scratch your eyes out, hit you with my purse, and kick you in the shins.
Everybody: You mean you're female?
Duh: Is that important?
Everybody: Maybe for you Winny is a better choice than test for a 1st cycle then? :p
 
Saint-Tx said:
I've posted a 100 questions on 100 other boards..
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i think i see the problem^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
hey i understand your not the only one out there
im sure those other boards will welcome you back
when youve realised your mistakes and want to do it right come on back
 
BigCracker said:
I gotta give you props for not being a pussy and hiding your gear use from wifey, but otherwise I think you're a tool for ignoring the advice of the people trying to help you. I refer to guys like you as "Neo-the savior of the anabolic matrix" You are the chosen one to be the 1st person to make remarkable gains by doing the exact opposite of what everyone suggests to do. Morpheus and that black chick that sits in the park feel the same way.

LOL yeah..what was Barry Bonds, Ben Johnson, and countless other people in sports thinking. Winstrol Increase Lean muscle mass, endurance and strength...NO WAY. Not everybody wants to be a BIG CRACKER. I get what your trying to say, but thanks though. Anyway you could help by actually awnsering the questions like

"I hear people say throw in 250mg/week of test enanthate. it be a bad Idea since I'm day 5 into this winnie cylce?"

(I just want to hear yeah its a great idea because..or no its a bad Idea because...not "You've fucked up from the start" I've hear 100's say its a great 1st cycle they've made really nice gains off it, which they kept...and others say " THATS A HORRIBLE CYCLE...DON'T YOU WANNA BE THIS BIG, KICK DOWN TREE'S AND HAVE WATER HOSE SIZED VIENS" ) No I don't..I've been in Martial Arts all my life,and I'm not looking for size in the least bit. A few lbs, but mostly strength definition, and endurance.
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I really think everyone here wants the best results for you. Plus, your friends results are not common on a winnie only cycle. Not from what I have seen anyway. Especially in 8 weeks. Its highly unlikely. He probably had suspension and didnt know it;) The wife will love the test anyway... Trust me..

-NP
 
Saint-Tx said:
BigCracker said:
I gotta give you props for not being a pussy and hiding your gear use from wifey, but otherwise I think you're a tool for ignoring the advice of the people trying to help you. I refer to guys like you as "Neo-the savior of the anabolic matrix" You are the chosen one to be the 1st person to make remarkable gains by doing the exact opposite of what everyone suggests to do. Morpheus and that black chick that sits in the park feel the same way.

LOL yeah..what was Barry Bonds, Ben Johnson, and countless other people in sports thinking. Winstrol Increase Lean muscle mass, endurance and strength...NO WAY. Not everybody wants to be a BIG CRACKER. I get what your trying to say, but thanks though. Anyway you could help by actually awnsering the questions like

"I hear people say throw in 250mg/week of test enanthate. it be a bad Idea since I'm day 5 into this winnie cylce?"

(I just want to hear yeah its a great idea because..or no its a bad Idea because...not "You've fucked up from the start" I've hear 100's say its a great 1st cycle they've made really nice gains off it, which they kept...and others say " THATS A HORRIBLE CYCLE...DON'T YOU WANNA BE THIS BIG, KICK DOWN TREE'S AND HAVE WATER HOSE SIZED VIENS" ) No I don't..I've been in Martial Arts all my life,and I'm not looking for size in the least bit. A few lbs, but mostly strength definition, and endurance.
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test is a base to every cycle, learn it brotha.. you wanna run some winny thats great.. test+winny.. you arent going to fuckin blow up just because your on test.. diet/training/rest = gains.. want to blow up? eat everything in site.. want to lean out and harden watch your calorie intake have an on key diet.. gear is just another variable in the whole process.. post up weight height bf and age training history. get some test and do your first cycle right.. you wont get another one
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Bro, you can't build a skyscraper on a foundation made of wood. I don't know what kind of advice you're expecting to get from people when your cycle is flawed from the beginning. One thing I've learned here is that people often go outta their way to help others, but it's hard to overlook ignorance and mistakes. You just don't ignore the elephant in the room.
 
NURSEPIMP said:
I really think everyone here wants the best results for you. Plus, your friends results are not common on a winnie only cycle. Not from what I have seen anyway. Especially in 8 weeks. Its highly unlikely. He probably had suspension and didnt know it;) The wife will love the test anyway... Trust me..

-NP
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i agree somethings fishy about his friends gains

dont want to get to big???
no problem there bud
has to do with how you train while on
thats why a lot of guys new to gear dont gain like they think they should when they start
if you train specific to your sport u will not gain the size you are afraid of
if more people understood this there would be fewer people not gaining the size they wanted when they decided to use.
hell iggy pop is a self confessed abuser of steriods and that guy looked and looks like a stick with a balloon on the top of it

you will never be happy with a winny only cycle no matter what your goals are
 
acneman said:
i agree somethings fishy about his friends gains

dont want to get to big???
no problem there bud
has to do with how you train while on
thats why a lot of guys new to gear dont gain like they think they should when they start
if you train specific to your sport u will not gain the size you are afraid of
if more people understood this there would be fewer people not gaining the size they wanted when they decided to use.
hell iggy pop is a self confessed abuser of steriods and that guy looked and looks like a stick with a balloon on the top of it

you will never be happy with a winny only cycle no matter what your goals are
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Look I understand whatevery one's telling me. I've been back-n-forth on this a few times. Which is why I asked IS IT OK TO RUN 250mg/week Test enanthate with 50mg/d winnie. My cousin has a bottle of Test right now, but I already started the winnie from advice from other people, and what I've seen from my friend.

For my size and age... Should I make a combo and how should I run it? That was my original question. I was just worried about throwing the test in This late in my cycle.

I know you guys are trying to help...even so some of ya'll are smart assess lol. I've just been through alot of ups and downs on wether or not a winnie only cycle is worth it. So I'm if I need to know if throwing in Test Now is ok, and at how man Mg a week should I do it. 1 shot 250 week 2 shots 250 a week? etc. Thanks guys
 
Saint-Tx said:
Look I understand whatevery one's telling me. I've been back-n-forth on this a few times. Which is why I asked IS IT OK TO RUN 250mg/week Test enanthate with 50mg/d winnie. My cousin has a bottle of Test right now, but I already started the winnie from advice from other people, and what I've seen from my friend.

For my size and age... Should I make a combo and how should I run it? That was my original question. I was just worried about throwing the test in This late in my cycle.
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two weeks is not that late
if it was me id stop right now and see how i feel
then id learn everything it took me months to learn reading this board and start over
but i can feel the way this is gonna go so do what you wanna
no 2 weeks is not to late to make this turd of a cycle into a golden banana
take one day to read every thread that starts with "pct"
or "first cycle"
stuff like that
get a plan and post it up for discussion
2 days arent gonna make a bit of difference so get your shit together and lets do this right
 
I would bet the majority of Winny only praising cycle guys didn't use Winny alone for their 1st cycle. Start doing the test. I like you and you're a good person. Zthese mean guys here are just lost souls. I apologize for anything smart assed I may have said. In this day we must be sensitive, tolerant, and diverse to avoid hurting one's feelings.
 
Here's one of the 100's of succesfull winnie only cycles I've heard of

By My 15th Amp Of Winstrol I Noticed That I Was Able To Lift Far More Than Ever Before.


"I am 26 years old and lifted on and off since I was 16. I never really devoted myself seriously to a long-term lifting regimen, which is why my results were always very, very limited. I was always relatively thin. My body type is not the ultra-thin, fatless type, but neither am I similar to boxy, thick, football-player-type mesomorphs.

In the fall of 1998 I joined a gym primarily because I wanted to get in shape. I was fat and chubby. After four months of daily lifting coupled with using a treadmill, I lost a lot of fat. Many people noticed I was much thinner. A special weight-loss diet fashioned by a nutritionist helped me achieve that goal.

In February of 1999 I returned to the gym after a sabbatical (I was very tired from lifting and from the stresses of working life). I now decided to devote myself to mass. I acquired a new diet from the same nutritionist, designed strictly for me according to my body weight. I saw some results but I saw then and there that getting big--getting muscular was not easy. It took a long time.

In July of 1999, after only mild improvements in my body (I did take May and all of June off because of the flu and because of work-related stress), I returned to the gym. I started yet another mass diet--and decided to take anabolic steroids.

I was instructed by my supplier to start with Winstrol, which was allegedly a light steroid in comparison to others. I did some serious thinking and researched the Web for accurate data, and finally thought it was worth a shot.

I bought a two month supply of Winstrol amps, to be taken 3 times a week, for about US$150. I started taking them as I continued my daily training and my mass diet. Just for the record, the diet forbade alcohol, soda, sugar, cooking oil, fat, and salt. It wasn't easy. I had to consume lots of egg whites, baked potatoes, rice, oil-free tuna fish, turkey breast, very lean read meat, and leafy green vegetables. I also needed to take some powder-form supplements. The results didn't come right away, and not knowing what to expect, I just hung on.

By the 15th amp, however, I noticed I was able to lift far more than ever before. Reverse cross-cable pulls, for the rear delts, were always difficult for me. I couldn't ever do more than the third weight on the machine. But now I was putting the pin on the 6th weight for the first set and finishing on the 7th. As well, I always used 16 to 18-kilogram dumbbells for pec flies. Now I was using 24-kilogram dumbbells.

My triceps are probably the muscle which Winstrol affected the most. Before Winstrol I did v-bar pulldowns with the pin at around 3/4 of the entire weight pile (universal machine). Now, I would do 4 sets with the pin at the LAST weight, and for the 2nd to 4th sets, I would place 2 plastic-covered dumbbells on the weight set because I was easily doing 14 reps on the first set. I always increased the weight of the dumbbells because my triceps were just so strong--and I didn't have to sacrifice form.

My forearms, always embarrassingly thin, finally acquired enough mass that made me feel confident about them. My upper back improved also. I had to increase the weight for behind the neck and chest bar pulldowns, v-bar pulldowns, and dumbbell pulls--almost every other back workout.

My delts were always relatively small, but with Winstrol, I had more power to work them. I was putting 15 kilograms for each delt as I used a squat machine with a bench for seated military presses. I did two exercises for lateral deltoids for every workout as they finally stood out when I posed in front of a mirror.

Even when there were at least 6 weeks before the cycle's conclusion, people were noticing my growth. Women, of course, told me I was bigger than before. A female acquaintance told a friend of mine that I was suddenly big and muscular. (To use her words, "what happened to his body?") Female employees at a relative's business stared at me when I went there once wearing a tight t-shirt. Two couldn't hold themselves from telling me I looked better than ever. A female member of the gym told me I was "way too good already."

The funny thing is, compared to some of the guys at that gym, I am still small. There is much room for improvement. If you saw me fully clothed you'd never think I used steroids or lifted seriously. I am far smaller than competitive bodybuilders or football players.

I now weigh 170 lbs., far more than the 140 I weighed during high school. I have never been athletic but with the exception of some fat here and there I am in the best shape of my life.

I had no serious side effects like 'bitch tits', severe acne on my back or face--pretty much none--and I also didn't suffer with my penis. I was warned by my supplier that in the 2 months following the cycle's conclusion I'd have a decrease in sperm production. I had sex at the end of the cycle and didn't feel any difference. I have had and continue to have no problems getting an erection. Overall, Winstrol didn't harm me in any way--so far--and it seems it'll stay that way.

This is my story. I am considering taking a different cycle in the future. But I must admit that a Web article which described Winstrol as producing only mild effects in comparison to other steroids convinced me it would be safe. I also admit I had no doctor supervising me."
 
BigCracker said:
I would bet the majority of Winny only praising cycle guys didn't use Winny alone for their 1st cycle. Start doing the test. I like you and you're a good person. Zthese mean guys here are just lost souls. I apologize for anything smart assed I may have said. In this day we must be sensitive, tolerant, and diverse to avoid hurting one's feelings.
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omg the ole bait and switch
i come in to read a big flaming post and get the dry sarcasm
i imagined the lisp you used when you wrote that
us mean guys love you man
you turned my frown upside down
 
wow... for all the typing you are doing (and cut and pasting) you dont have a fucking clue about what you are talking about... and then you shit on good advice...

your gonna go far thats for sure.... especially with the 13" inch arms....
 
get456 said:
wow... for all the typing you are doing (and cut and pasting) you dont have a fucking clue about what you are talking about... and then you shit on good advice...

your gonna go far thats for sure.... especially with the 13" inch arms....
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damn im given out karma so fast im gonna hit my limit in like 20 minutes
 
you will never never never gain 10-15 # of muscle off of a cycle of winny alone
 
NURSEPIMP said:
That cut and paste sounds like a shitty ad for cock enlargment pills.

ha ha ha.

People were noticing, women of course!!!

I love that line..

-NP
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bobs happy and getting some well deserved respect in the neighborhood
bob takes winny

hahahahahahahahahahah
 
acneman said:
two weeks is not that late
if it was me id stop right now and see how i feel
then id learn everything it took me months to learn reading this board and start over
but i can feel the way this is gonna go so do what you wanna
no 2 weeks is not to late to make this turd of a cycle into a golden banana
take one day to read every thread that starts with "pct"
or "first cycle"
stuff like that
get a plan and post it up for discussion
2 days arent gonna make a bit of difference so get your shit together and lets do this right
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dude you seem like an ok guy and you dont mind research
you just did it in the wrong places
read what i said up there and do that and we will get on to what will help you the most
 
:FRlol: Here it is the eod I am only going to do an oral only first cycle thread. Are you here to ask a question? Or do you want advice. Nobody here that knows anything at all is going to back you up on this cycle. You are not going to gain the weight you are hoping to and whatever weight you do you will lose it within 6 weeks after you are finished. If you want advice that will hepl AND are willing to listen we are all here to help. but if you are here to tell people what you are going to do regardless of what advice you get go somewhere else and dont waste the time that these guys can be posting helpful advice to someone with at least enough intelligence to listen! Anyway make sure you post your results (6 weeks AFTER you are done) maybe that will help the other new guys wanting to try this realize what a very bad idea that is!
 
stand down guys lets see how he acts with the advice gives so far.
i mean if you dont mind(who the hell am i to give orders)
 
Lol u guys are ok. Some of u are jack asses, but I don't mind a Jackass or two. I'm just a stubborn ass so you'll have to get used to it. Plus I've been pumped waiting on the days to go by on this winnie. (Yall are almost makin it sound like Whinny) And I really don't want too believe it was all for nothing.But I know yall are knowledgable and are trying to help. I'm a man and can admit if I'm wrong, and I can definatly take a few jokes. I got defensive because I was immediately attacked from the jump, after I did do A LOT of research. But to be honest..I have been wanting to do some test..My cousin has been on it three weeks and is my gym partner. Like I said...I have 10mL at 250mg/mL Test Enanthate. For 5 days I've been on the winnie...I don't know if I can bare to just drop the winnie so I'm thinking 250mg a week Test and 50mg winnie every other day. How's that sound. Let the bombardment begin. lol
 
If doing winstrol and Test on the 1st cycle is totally retarted. I'll consider dropping the winstrol. But please include reasons with the remarks, however smart ass they may be. It'll just suck to drop the winnie then start and test and wait another Two weeks for it to kick in.

So drop the winnie and go Test only or lower winnie per week and throw in test
 
One reason to drop the winny is to be able to make an accurate assessment of how well test worked for you alone and whatever side effects you may have experienced. By doing both together you won't know what is causing what.
 
BigCracker said:
One reason to drop the winny is to be able to make an accurate assessment of how well test worked for you alone and whatever side effects you may have experienced. By doing both together you won't know what is causing what.
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Yeah that's the main reason I started doing winnie alone and was going to do test next. (I said that in 1st post) and the reason I wanted winnie over test first...was because of a few nonprofit articles explaing the way winnie binds, amplifies later cycles. I'm on my treo 700 phone. I'll explain later. But if that was a bad Idea I guess I can drop it and start all the way over. What effects will the winnie I've already taken have on the test cycle. The winnie already had me going up in weights, and my myscle were getting very good pumps...(and were slighty achey in the mornings.
 
even thought you made me mad on the other post
im ready
stoppin you is not an option
so.....
post what gear youve got and what you can get
show a plan for ancillary drugs during cycle
and a plan for post cycle therapy
and we will zero that in for you and make the best we can out of what weve got
ok?
 
acneman said:
even thought you made me mad on the other post
im ready
stoppin you is not an option
so.....
post what gear youve got and what you can get
show a plan for ancillary drugs during cycle
and a plan for post cycle therapy
and we will zero that in for you and make the best we can out of what weve got
ok?
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lol u made me mad too..I wasn't trying to give him advice...I just told what I knew of it but if I offended anyone or gave un-sound advice I appologize. Aight back to buisness. I have Test enanthate and winnie. Everything else is pretty much atmy desposal...I get it from a pharmacy. Tell me what u think I should get and Ill get it. I don't want to post anymore of my ideas lol....thanks
 
Saint-Tx said:
lol u made me mad too..I wasn't trying to give him advice...I just told what I knew of it but if I offended anyone or gave un-sound advice I appologize. Aight back to buisness. I have Test enanthate and winnie. Everything else is pretty much atmy desposal...I get it from a pharmacy. Tell me what u think I should get and Ill get it. I don't want to post anymore of my ideas lol....thanks
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yeah lets start over.
you say you can get pretty much anything?
let me cogitate a while and ill get back to you
 
Jesus christ didn't see this thread before....again yall see why steroids are "bad"?
 
Saint-Tx said:
I don't know why it isn't showing I post... but anyway I have injectable winstrol and Test enanthate. I can get just about anything... why don't u tell me what else to get because I don't wanna post my ideas anymore lol
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understanding that you have already started your gear so i cant stop you
use the tes enathate at 500mg per week split in 2 shots a week
take your winny the way you want to as im not a winny expert
get some aromasin or aifm to combat tes sides
run 10 weeks tes
more than 4 weeks of winny is gonna be real tuff on your liver
start pct
something in this area will help you a lot more than what you had planned
if you will research some more on this board you will probablyfind something more like what you want
 
This post was someone responding to a guy that was on a Test only cycle...he started at 250mg/week then bumped it to 500mg at 2 shots of 250mg/week. Is there any validity to this statement

"Heh ya this cycle was tainted from the beginning. FIrst of all you want to do at least 500mg a week in a single shot.

The half life (this is off the top of my head) for enanthate is like 10.5 days.

First time I did enanthate I messed up my cycle by taking 2 shots of enanthate a week. But I guess it's better than taking just 250mg. Either way it f***ed up my test levels. It's a learning process. Next time you'll get it right."
 
Saint-Tx said:
I've posted a 100 questions on 100 other boards. I've researched for months before I started my cycle. And one of my good friends who was about an 1" taller than me, and weighed about 5lbs more than me. Put on 17lbs of Lean muscle with a winnie only cycle.
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i think this dood was lying to you. thats a ton for winni only. i'd say 5-7lbs is alot fot winni only.
 
acneman said:
i agree somethings fishy about his friends gains

dont want to get to big???
no problem there bud
has to do with how you train while on
thats why a lot of guys new to gear dont gain like they think they should when they start
if you train specific to your sport u will not gain the size you are afraid of
if more people understood this there would be fewer people not gaining the size they wanted when they decided to use.
hell iggy pop is a self confessed abuser of steriods and that guy looked and looks like a stick with a balloon on the top of it

you will never be happy with a winny only cycle no matter what your goals are
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If he doesnt want to get big why is he using gear? lol
 
Saint-Tx said:
Dont want to get TOO big
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Well is it not big enough to do naturally? I dont think the winny will give you too much as an advantage, but you will still be surpressed.

Then again, you already started so ill stop, good luck.
 
ProtienFiend said:
Well is it not big enough to do naturally? I dont think the winny will give you too much as an advantage, but you will still be surpressed.

Then again, you already started so ill stop, good luck.
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that right
time to give up on stoppin him
and your right that every thing he wanted could have been drug free
but i dont think we have to worry about the too big part
 
I was on my 5th day of being on winstrol cycle only
Yesterday I took a 250mg shot of Test Enanthate

I plan on takinga 250mg shot on wed. and sat.

As far as the winnie..goes.... I was wondering if it could be stacked in the cycle to act as an ancillary drugs. 50mg eod or even every 3rd day? I got this idea from info like this

"Winstrol counteracts estrogenic side effects such as gyno and water retention - another quality which makes it attractive to the athlete seeking lean mass gains. Winstrol is a 5-alpha reduced substrate. 5-alpha reduction breaks the double bond between positions 4 and 5, which is what is required for aromatase to convert to estrogen. Aromatase is the primary enzyme used for the manufacturing of estrogen within the male body. For avoiding gyno, winstrol is well suited.

Since winstrol is not capable of converting into estrogen, anti-estrogen ancillary drugs such as nolvadex or clomid are not necessary when using this steroid. Gyno will not be a concern for even the most sensitive individuals when using this steroid. Winstrol is excellent for lean gains since water retention is reduced when using this steroid. This is due to the fact that estrogen is the cause of water retention. It is excellent to use among athletes who are seeking for a combination of both strength and speed."

STACKING AND USE


The normal dosage for men is betwen 35-75 mg per day for the tablets and 25-50 mg per day for the injectable version of winstrol. Winstrol is often combined with other steroids depending on what the personal goals of the athlete are. To gain muscle mass (bulk up), winstrol is best combined with a stronger androgen such as testosterone. This will give the cycle a good anabolic effect while minimizing estrogenic activity. This results in excellent increases in lean muscle mass, as opposed to the more common bulking cycle which greatly increases muscle mass while also increasing water retention and some gains in fat. To lose fat (cut up), winstrol is best combined with a non-aromatizing androgen such as trenbolone or halotestin. This combination can create a strongly defined, hard look. This is a very attractive look sought out by many bodybuilders."



If this info is not true, then I'll keep some nolvadex in case, and I'll obviously run it for PCT. Any info on this will be appreciated, especially if anyone's stacked winnie and Test at the same time and had success or failure with it.
 
When you consider the # of juicers that are trying to gain size and can't, getting too big should be the least of someone's worries. It's like saying I don't wanna work too hard I might get too rich.
 
BigCracker said:
When you consider the # of juicers that are trying to gain size and can't, getting too big should be the least of someone's worries. It's like saying I don't wanna work too hard I might get too rich.
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what about winnie acting as an ancillary drug?

"STACKING AND USE


The normal dosage for men is betwen 35-75 mg per day for the tablets and 25-50 mg per day for the injectable version of winstrol. Winstrol is often combined with other steroids depending on what the personal goals of the athlete are. To gain muscle mass (bulk up), winstrol is best combined with a stronger androgen such as testosterone. This will give the cycle a good anabolic effect while minimizing estrogenic activity. This results in excellent increases in lean muscle mass, as opposed to the more common bulking cycle which greatly increases muscle mass while also increasing water retention and some gains in fat. To lose fat (cut up), winstrol is best combined with a non-aromatizing androgen such as trenbolone or halotestin. This combination can create a strongly defined, hard look. This is a very attractive look sought out by many bodybuilders."

Is any of this true
 
Saint-Tx said:
what about winnie acting as an ancillary drug?

"STACKING AND USE


The normal dosage for men is betwen 35-75 mg per day for the tablets and 25-50 mg per day for the injectable version of winstrol. Winstrol is often combined with other steroids depending on what the personal goals of the athlete are. To gain muscle mass (bulk up), winstrol is best combined with a stronger androgen such as testosterone. This will give the cycle a good anabolic effect while minimizing estrogenic activity. This results in excellent increases in lean muscle mass, as opposed to the more common bulking cycle which greatly increases muscle mass while also increasing water retention and some gains in fat. To lose fat (cut up), winstrol is best combined with a non-aromatizing androgen such as trenbolone or halotestin. This combination can create a strongly defined, hard look. This is a very attractive look sought out by many bodybuilders."

Is any of this true
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i think your -482 karma is sexy, i just creamed myself. winstrol isnt an AI. end
 
Saint-Tx said:
what about winnie acting as an ancillary drug?

"STACKING AND USE


The normal dosage for men is betwen 35-75 mg per day for the tablets and 25-50 mg per day for the injectable version of winstrol. Winstrol is often combined with other steroids depending on what the personal goals of the athlete are. To gain muscle mass (bulk up), winstrol is best combined with a stronger androgen such as testosterone. This will give the cycle a good anabolic effect while minimizing estrogenic activity. This results in excellent increases in lean muscle mass, as opposed to the more common bulking cycle which greatly increases muscle mass while also increasing water retention and some gains in fat. To lose fat (cut up), winstrol is best combined with a non-aromatizing androgen such as trenbolone or halotestin. This combination can create a strongly defined, hard look. This is a very attractive look sought out by many bodybuilders."

Is any of this true
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i applaude your research but unfortunately that info is out of date
current theory dismisses winny's use as an ancillary to reduce sides

ive thought about what you said
and the best advice i can give is to continue you winny dosage at 50mg per day unless you get sore joints
continue your tes cycle as described
look for ancilary drugs like aromasin and nolvadex to combat estrogenic sides
prepare for your pct right now
to consist of
hcg
nolvades
aromasin
the use of these compounds is depated in at least 4 threads on the fron page of this forum right now
go read
post your plan
and ill respond to you
 
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