1st cycle

[Varsity13]

hey everyone...im getting prepared for my first cycle...here is what i had in mind....

sustanon 250 every 4 days for 10 weeks
D-bol for 4 weeks
clomid post cycle
nolvadex on hand in case of gyno

...this is will be my first cycle, and this is what i thought up based on the research ive done...
Stats:
21 years old
5'8
161 lbs
I've been lifting for about 5 or 6 years...I feel as though I'm approaching my natural limit in terms of strength...for my size i am capable of pumping out more weight than anyone i know of...anyways...any comments and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

 

[The Terminator]

The dbol is not necessary imo, but what dosage do you plan on using it at? I would not go over 20 mg/day myself...

 

[psychedout]

Looks good to me. Be sure to consume enough protien and calories to get as much as you can out of those fresh receptors.

 

[Varsity13]

oops...i forgot to post the dosage for the d-bol...my mistake...yeah...i was planning of running it at 20 mgs per day...from my research ive heard the d-bol works well with sustanon. But this is not my own experience...do you think the d-bol would be a good addition to the stack or is it unneccessary?

 

[Tricepratus]

Because is your first cycle Dbol may be not necessary. Dbol is a strong androgenic/anabolic compound. Keep it for following cycles.
Now your recepterors are fresh so whatever you put on it will do work, and by the way, Sustanon is a strong compound too.
For first time, I think Sustanon at dosage that you will use is enough

 

[The Terminator]

For first time, I think Sustanon at dosage that you will use is enough

I agree with this. I would save the dbol for the next time around...(unless your goal is to just get as big as you possibly can as fast as you can...)

 

[Varsity13]

haha....that is my goal terminator, however, i am not willing to sacrifice my liver, if there is a possiblity of the d-bol being to much for my body to handle...since i am totally new to this i would like to take things one step at a time, and not rush into things like a fool and end up hurting myself and not getting the results that originally brought me to the decision to try juicing. ANYWAYS....how can i maximize the results of my first cycle of sustanon???

 

[Varsity13]

bump

 

[The Terminator]

. ANYWAYS....how can i maximize the results of my first cycle of sustanon???

By eating a very high protein, high calorie diet. You will find that diet is the catalyst that will push you beyond your previous limits...the drugs just provide a more anabolic environment for growth. But diet is still THE most important aspect in your regimen...

 

[Varsity13]

some people i have talked to have highly recommended that i drop the sustanon and replace it will equal amounts of test enanthate...what do ya'll think about that?

 

[guards]

some people i have talked to have highly recommended that i drop the sustanon and replace it will equal amounts of test enanthate...what do ya'll think about that?

that is what I would suggest......use a single ester instead of a blend....keeps your levels a little more consistent.


I've done both, may times, and I still prefer the single ester over the sust/omna blends

 

[Varsity13]

thanks!

 

[guards]

5'8", 161.....you're nowhere near your natural limit and I don't care how skinny you were when you started.

that too

 

[DiaBOLic86]

If you havn't already bought the sust, I would reccomend enanthate. It worked much better for me. Also, sust hurts like hell, 3 days after your first shot, your whole leg will feel like it was hit with a bat. Thats the experience I've had at least. Your body gets used to it after a few shots and the pain is nothing worth noticing. The enanthate doesn't hurt much at all.
I think that 20 mg of dbol in the mix won't hurt. It will give you a jump start while you are waiting for the test to kick in. At 20mg, the side effects on your liver won't be too bad. I take milk thistle whenever I juice. It is pretty cheap, might as well buy it. Other than that, I think your cycle looks good. Like the other guys said, eat a lot. You can't put on muscle if there is nothing to build from.

 

[Mavy]

161, unless you are a midget, I think that you can get a little more weight packed on by using the power of food, and heavy intense training. Im sure you dont want to wait, but I honestly bet that if you busted your balls for the next year, you could put on another 15lbs naturally, especially once you find out how much you can grow by increasing that protein intake.

Anyways, if you really think that you are at your genetic peak, then I would alter your cycle a little. I would throw in a more anabolic steroid to work with the sust, like say primo (if you could get the real thing), or more realistically .... some EQ. I dont think that the dbol would hurt you either as long as its a safe dosage, like say 25mgs/day. With lots of water and the proper liver protectants, you would have no problems, unless you used to be a sever alchoholic. I always think that stacking androgenic with anabolic choices yeild better results working together, and actually help minimize sides. I would try something like this ...

Wk 1-4
dbol: 25mgs/day
EQ: 400 mgs/day
Sust: 250 mgs/day

Wk 5-10
EQ: 400 mgs/day
Sust: 250 mgs/day

Regarding the gear choice. You could use enanthate or cyp instead of the sust, I really dont think it matters all that much. You will find them less painfull than the sust, (especialy those damn Kirachis). For the EQ, I would try to use a respected underground lab like LFC instead of a vet brand. You are not getting all the extra vet crap that goes into the vet products when using this, hence the reason why they are much more concentrated (i.e., LFC 200mgs/ml EQL 400mg/ml etc ...). I think that you would have great luck with this, and it is not unrealistic for a first cycle.

Cheers,
Mavy

 

[chanmanfoo]

mavy, you mean 250 per week right? also i would go with the board and get some human grade cyp or enan. good luck
foo

 

[Dante666]

I tend to agree with Dial-Tone and others. At your size you have plenty of growing potential. I don't want to come down on any plans you have for AAS because I'm not your priest, but IMO you'll be happier in the long run if you wait, however I'm a hypocrite because I didn't follow advice. I also believe in the more gradual gain being the easiest to keep, so I suggest the Test Enanth. w/out D-bol if you decide to continue with your plans. See how your body reacts to the Test. before adding more gear. It's slower and I might not be representing the popular opinion, but it's a little safer, a little slower, but you're young and you have a lot time to grow.
D666

 

[Mavy]

My mistake ...

Sust 250/WEEK
EQ 400/WEEK