1st cycle with Test propinate

[boflex]

Hey guys i've done some research & it looks like a low dose of test P is a safe and effective way to go on my first cycle:

I plan on setting up the cycle:
45mg Prop. every day (~300mg/week)
10mg Nolvadex every day (start 2 days after 1st shot)
0.25mg arimadex every day

PCT (3 days after last shot):
clomid 50/50/25/25
nolvedex 40/40/20/20

My question: Is that overkill for such a small dosage of test P? & if i'm already taking Nolva every day should i still have the same 40/40/20/20 for PCT??

 

[kiai]

and why exactly are you taking nolva everyday ?

 

[boflex]

and why exactly are you taking nolva everyday ?

From what i've read Nolva &/or arimadex is a safe bet during a cycle while you have raised androgen levels, to prevent testicular dystrophy.

Do you not think one or both are necessary?

 

[gymjunkie09]

From what i've read Nolva &/or arimadex is a safe bet during a cycle while you have raised androgen levels, to prevent testicular dystrophy.

Do you not think one or both are necessary?

I don't know if I'd run test prop for a first cycle mainly because of the eod pinning and your pct needs some work too. This is how I would run a test prop cycle

Test prop 100mg eod 1-10
proviron 50mg ed 1-10
forma-stanozolo 5pumps a.m. and p.m throughout cycle

letro on hand, hcg starting week 3-10 250 i.u.'s 2x week

pct 4 weeks starting 3 days after last pin
hcgenerate 5caps ed
post cycle/unleashed combo 3caps each ed
clomid 25mg ed

probably should of asked this first but whats your stats lookin like bro?

 

[boflex]

I don't know if I'd run test prop for a first cycle mainly because of the eod pinning and your pct needs some work too. This is how I would run a test prop cycle

Test prop 100mg eod 1-10
proviron 50mg ed 1-10
forma-stanozolo 5pumps a.m. and p.m throughout cycle

letro on hand, hcg starting week 3-10 250 i.u.'s 2x week

pct 4 weeks starting 3 days after last pin
hcgenerate 5caps ed
post cycle/unleashed combo 3caps each ed
clomid 25mg ed

probably should of asked this first but whats your stats lookin like bro?

Thank you for the feedback. There's definitly some conflicting info.
I understand prop is more frequent injections--i'm okay w/ that for the <water retention.

I dosed Prop @ ~42mg/day because I would rather stay under 300mg/week & because I heard although EOD is great, EVERYDAY is better because it keep hormones in a greater balance

I feel like the cycle support & PCT you reccomend may be a bit overkill. HCG seems to better suited during cycle--not PCT. I'm not sure if the rest is reall necessary. It seems to me you MAY need two things an AI & a SERM.

I do appreciate the advice, however, is there any other opinions??

 

[obsessedwliftin]

I personally run my prop 100mgs eod. I would not run nolva until pct. Hcg is better used on cycle as you stated. If you are more comfortable running 50 mgs ed then go for it. The ester in prop is short but blood levels will remain stable pinned eod. That choice is yours to make. Use the adex for your ai during cycle.

Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL

 

[boflex]

I personally run my prop 100mgs eod. I would not run nolva until pct. Hcg is better used on cycle as you stated. If you are more comfortable running 50 mgs ed then go for it. The ester in prop is short but blood levels will remain stable pinned eod. That choice is yours to make. Use the adex for your ai during cycle.

Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL

Is this what you mean:
50mg prop. every day
0.25mg arimadex every day

Pct:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
nolvedex 40/40/20/20

Are those the right dosages, and right PCT?

 

[obsessedwliftin]

Yes dosages are great bro. I didn't mention the otc supps because I read your comment about just an ai and a serm. And I believe with the cycle you are running that pct will be fine. However if it were me id run hc generate starting about week 5 and run unleashed and post cycle 3 rd day after last pin but that is my preference.

Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL

 

[gymjunkie09]

Thank you for the feedback. There's definitly some conflicting info.
I understand prop is more frequent injections--i'm okay w/ that for the <water retention.

I dosed Prop @ ~42mg/day because I would rather stay under 300mg/week & because I heard although EOD is great, EVERYDAY is better because it keep hormones in a greater balance

I feel like the cycle support & PCT you reccomend may be a bit overkill. HCG seems to better suited during cycle--not PCT. I'm not sure if the rest is reall necessary. It seems to me you MAY need two things an AI & a SERM.

I do appreciate the advice, however, is there any other opinions??

if you actually read my post you would have noticed that I do have hcg ran during your cycle, thanks for the advice though lol. And how is the cycle support overkill? why wouldn't you want letro on hand? Do you even know what proviron is? And how are you gonna dose prop at 42mg ed? That doesn't even make sense, if you want to dose it every day just pin half a cc. Why do you keep throwing out random numbers like 45mg and 42mg?

 

[training700]

Thank you for the feedback. There's definitly some conflicting info.
I understand prop is more frequent injections--i'm okay w/ that for the <water retention.

I dosed Prop @ ~42mg/day because I would rather stay under 300mg/week & because I heard although EOD is great, EVERYDAY is better because it keep hormones in a greater balance

I feel like the cycle support & PCT you reccomend may be a bit overkill. HCG seems to better suited during cycle--not PCT. I'm not sure if the rest is reall necessary. It seems to me you MAY need two things an AI & a SERM.

I do appreciate the advice, however, is there any other opinions??

Your over thinking dose too much just keep it easy, also the water retention won't be enough different make it worth it. Probably be easier just start with a long ester test at 500 a week

 

[boflex]

if you actually read my post you would have noticed that I do have hcg ran during your cycle, thanks for the advice though lol. And how is the cycle support overkill? why wouldn't you want letro on hand? Do you even know what proviron is? And how are you gonna dose prop at 42mg ed? That doesn't even make sense, if you want to dose it every day just pin half a cc. Why do you keep throwing out random numbers like 45mg and 42mg?

Sorry for the ignorance bud. I'd never heard of most of the products you mentioned so i was a bit aprehensive.

After doing some research--I like this approach alot. It seems a bit more natural for the most part

Revised:
100mg prop EOD
8 pumps forma-standrol am & pm

PCT:
HCGenerate 6 caps/day
post cycle/unleashed combo 3 caps ed

-Nolva on hand

I'm taking a low dose of T & i've never been prone to gyno, so i was hoping this would be enough.

With the exclusion of the SERMs and armidex-- do you think there is any other less harsh products i should include?

 

[gymjunkie09]

Sorry for the ignorance bud. I'd never heard of most of the products you mentioned so i was a bit aprehensive.

After doing some research--I like this approach alot. It seems a bit more natural for the most part

Revised:
100mg prop EOD
8 pumps forma-standrol am & pm

PCT:
HCGenerate 6 caps/day
post cycle/unleashed combo 3 caps ed

-Nolva on hand

I'm taking a low dose of T & i've never been prone to gyno, so i was hoping this would be enough.

With the exclusion of the SERMs and armidex-- do you think there is any other less harsh products i should include?

I think you should run it like I set it up bro. If I were to take anything out it would be the clomid. Hcgenerate and the post cycle/unleashed combo should be plenty for a low dose test cycle. You could even get away with just running the hcgenerate weeks 6-10 and using the post cycle/unleashed combo only for pct and just forget the hcg on cycle. Proviron piggybacks well with test and since you're running such a low dose I wouldn't run this cycle without it, and I wouldn't use any aas without having letro on hand , gyno prone or not bro but that's just me. I like to cover all my bases when running cycles.

 

[boflex]

I think you should run it like I set it up bro. If I were to take anything out it would be the clomid. Hcgenerate and the post cycle/unleashed combo should be plenty for a low dose test cycle. You could even get away with just running the hcgenerate weeks 6-10 and using the post cycle/unleashed combo only for pct and just forget the hcg on cycle. Proviron piggybacks well with test and since you're running such a low dose I wouldn't run this cycle without it, and I wouldn't use any aas without having letro on hand , gyno prone or not bro but that's just me. I like to cover all my bases when running cycles.

What do you think about Needtobuildaas post:

Weeks
1-10 test- E 250mg Twice a week Monday and Thursday or Tuesday and Friday
1-10 N2guard 7 caps every day spread out (optional)
1-4 HCgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm (Highly recommended)
4-8 hcg 300ius Monday and Thursday (Highly recommended)
6-10 hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm (Must have!)
6-10 armosasin 12.5mg every other day (highly recommended)
8-14 Need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals(optional)
10-16 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps am for the first 4 weeks then taper down to 3 pumps am and pm for the last 2 weeks. (must have!)
10-14 unleashed/postcycle combo. 1 cap 3 times a day of each. Or at the very least forged post cycle 2 caps am and 2 caps pm (Must have?)
12-16 NTBM-DAA (D aspartic acid) 1 full serving every day. (Highly recommended)
16-20 Bridge 1 cap 3 times a day (highly recommended)
20-24 sarms s4 25mg twice a day(optional)

Do you know why he put hcgenerate duing cycle and forma-stanzol pct, or why you did the opposite?

 

[gymjunkie09]

What do you think about Needtobuildaas post:

Weeks
1-10 test- E 250mg Twice a week Monday and Thursday or Tuesday and Friday
1-10 N2guard 7 caps every day spread out (optional)
1-4 HCgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm (Highly recommended)
4-8 hcg 300ius Monday and Thursday (Highly recommended)
6-10 hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm (Must have!)
6-10 armosasin 12.5mg every other day (highly recommended)
8-14 Need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals(optional)
10-16 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps am for the first 4 weeks then taper down to 3 pumps am and pm for the last 2 weeks. (must have!)
10-14 unleashed/postcycle combo. 1 cap 3 times a day of each. Or at the very least forged post cycle 2 caps am and 2 caps pm (Must have?)
12-16 NTBM-DAA (D aspartic acid) 1 full serving every day. (Highly recommended)
16-20 Bridge 1 cap 3 times a day (highly recommended)
20-24 sarms s4 25mg twice a day(optional)

Do you know why he put hcgenerate duing cycle and forma-stanzol pct, or why you did the opposite?

hcgenerate can be ran on cycle or used for pct. I like to use hcg during cycle and hcgenerate for pct, but like I said for a low dose test prop cycle you could get away with hcgenerate 6-10 and use post-cycle/unleashed combo only for pct.

Forma-stanzol is also a very versatile product and can be ran during a cycle or during pct to control estrogen. If you're only running 300mg of test prop/week post cycle should be enough to control estrogen during pct leaving the forma to run during your cycle. There's obviously a lot of different way to control estrogen but I just don't think using drugs like aromasin,adex,letro and especially nolva are necessary for the cycle you have planned, but chemicalneeds.com carries these research chemicals if you have some rats you plan on conducting some experiments on. Bottom line there is more than one way to set up and effective cycle either the one I layed out for you are the one listed above are fine bro