1st cycle , test only? Help a nooob

[Guitarhead]

Ok I HAVE researched ..so this will be long post .im going to list stats and all...

What should i take my FIRST REAL AAS CYCLE....

STATS:
Age: 23
HT : 5'11" (Maybe 10") lol
WT : 192 lbs (guess 12%bf and dropping on CKD diet)
Strength in main 3 lifts
Bench:315x3 (havent maxed yet)
Squat: 315x3 (weak)
Deadlift: 405x1

PH, DS history -
1 cycle ever- epistrong - moderate cycle shed few hairs
2 cycle- helladrol- 4 caps day 5 weeks, good gains shed NO HAIR
3 cycle- Hella - 5 caps a day , good strength but not as last time and still no sides at all..


sooooo... Was thinking of taking beastdrol and giving it a shot
but then was thinking i might be ready for the big boy stuff..

However ..I DONT want to BLOAT AT all... and i DO NOT Want to LOOSE my hair.... and I DONT WANT TO BE A ZIT FACE

i DO Want to get. stronger ...leaner...and be JACKED at 200 lbs

sooooo....

i was thinking of doing
test prop - cause it is short ester...so if i get bad sides i can stop..and i head IT bloats the LEAST

maybe throwing in some clen to help with fat loss...

also taking nolva and arimedex on cycle to prevent gyno and bloat

soooo. i need opinions and help with dosing....

what do yall think..sorry for long post ..but thanks all

 

[u4icpain]

guitarhead,

TO open...I don't pat others on the back and say good job when they miss the mark... I'm going to be real with you man, simple as that. If these next few parts come off as harsh...remember its a right of passage and intended to get your ass on the right track my man.

You a frat boy? Work on your wheels my brotha. If I was a dick I'd tell you to take anadrol and squat 4x's a week. But I won't do that. (Cuz ur liver prob hates you)

Beastdrol aka SD (superdrol) will not make you bloat. At least NOT to the degree of your second option, which is Test Prop. Also, test prop will make you have many more sides than BD/SD.
MORE hairloss
MORE gyno
MORE "ZIT FACE?" yes! MOOOORE ZIT FACE!

Also, You have not mentioned ANYTHING about the most important part of either your PH or AAS cycle...think....think....PCT!!

You want fat loss while on beast or test? sub-Maintenance Cals and cardio my friend. Cardio is what is going to get you "JACKED" that is if you have a decent amount of LBM. (Lean body mass)

THE IMPORTANT PART: It is an extremely dangerous mindset when you start throwing compounds and names into the mix just to get you where you think you want to be. Clen and test AND BD are very serious compounds and require serious thought about whether or not you have the desire and fortitude to start the cycle and complete it. It's just a red flag when someone starts saying things like, "Eh Ill just bump it up to some TEST and maybe throw in some CLEN...yea...yea that's what Ill do...some clen"

AAS, PH, PCT : THIS IS NOT A GUESSING GAME. It is a science and do not even consider the use of these products unless you have the science behind their chemical actions SOLID in your head.

On a positive note, You are correct Prop is the short ester, adex and nolva do help with gyno...(via different mechanisms)

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As for the nolva and adex ON CYCLE...if you are taking adex there is zero need for nolva while on cycle.

IMO you need to do more research and squats and eat some steak. Steak and squats alone will get you to 200lbs my friend. You have untapped potential (because you prob been skimping on the sabbath of bodybuilding and powerlifters....leg-day!)

As far as your health goes, get some bloodwork done to check your ast/alt values for your liver function.... Did you take a liver protectant while on your ph's? and did you do a proper PCT after each of those 3 PH cycles?

I conclude with; your knowledge and age are in question here because there's nothing to "lol" about @ being 5'10''
and you used words such as "ZIT FACE" and "THE BIG BOY STUFF" (weak base for my assumptions but the fact that I'm railing on you for it is mildly entertaining for me at least)

3. Research these things; AI vs SERM (aka ADEX VS NOLVA), PCT, 17aa Orals, AST and ALT liver values, and answer the following questions...

Why do steroids cause bloating and gyno?
What steroids cause bloating and gyno?
What steroids don't cause bloating and gyno? Why?
What does aromatize mean?

Id also pick yourself up a copy of ANABOLICS 09 or equivalent. Read that thing cover to cover and don't forget to look at those chemical formulas. Especially since your into the PH's and 17aa's.

 

[Guitarhead]

Ok you smart ass...
1. i am not a frat boy
2. i have been researching
3. i did take pct .. and im not stupid
4. no need to try and sound like a genious and talk down to me or be a smart ass.. cut the attitude

Wow, i said lol. so what . whats wrong with some humor in there ok? you got issues . calm down with the roid rage

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

NO clen needed, prop is minimal bloat, beastdrol = no bloat at all.

 

[u4icpain]

Guitar,

I did not reply to ur thread to talk down whatsoever. In ur OP, I just feel, you did not express enough of your knowledge and the way I reply to threads is- if knowledge is not expressed to a certain extent, I'm going to chime in. (Especially when it comes to the endocrine system and one's physical health) that was only my intention man, I thought I made that clear at the very top of my post.

Apologies brother. When I was younger and wanted to do aas/ph one thing that helped keep me from doing them was the overwhelming amount of knowledge other posters on forums had...therefore I felt I was not ready and didn't do aas/ph

Overwhelming a young kid considering using AAS is a great tactic to keep them from taking a step they aren't ready for. If they feel overwhelmed they become uncomfortable with the idea of steroid use. Hence they put it off until they become comfotable again...

Again sorry man. I made assumptions that were wrong, but maybe now you can understand why.

 

[lartinos]

Injecting EOD for a newb I don't know about. I'd stick with enan or cyp bro. Just run an AI and keep your dose low.
Ditto on the clen... just run an AI and eat a strict diet. Maybe run a thermo and grab some acnetame if you're really concerned about zits.

 

[u4icpain]

to be honest bro beastdrol is stronger than a low - mid dose prop cycle, much faster to work and more anabolic hands down IMO, especially at 3 caps ED.

beastdrol IS big boy stuff lol my fav oral by far.

I'm not disagreeing with you because I have yet to try test. I have tried SD though. I feel that the slower gains from a longer low-mid dosed test cycle would be easier to keep in the long run...

Yes, SD is more anabolic than Test, yes you will gain weight like Oprah(in a good way), but the end result must be taken into consideration...how much will you KEEP? A gain of 15 lbs in 3 weeks, awesome, but HARD to keep. Whereas a low-mid/longer duration test cycle may be more advantageous in the long-run. Just a thought.

Guitar,

IMO the test cycle is the one I would pick. Here are some of the advantages...

-increase in libido (SD killed libido for me)

-Longer duration of cycle (lets be honest here, it feels great when we are on gear, fast gains [usually]= harder to keep)\

-Liver stress is of little/no concern with TEST (I'm not trying to knock BD at all, or the liver supps, but your liver is a DAMN IMPORTANT ORGAN. Personally, I just would not risk it, your gonna need that bitch when your 50 yrs old and you'd like to see your kid graduate highschool/college/ or get married.) - BUT to be fair, the liver has the ability to repair/regenerate cells to a certain degree. And in that respect has amazing resiliency to something such as a 4wk BD cycle.

-Consider your genetic factors, with both test and BD you will experience sides (chances are). When I took BD, sides were minimal and caused no problems for me except a zit or 2 on my shoulders. Others experience lots of sides. Depends.

-Again, to be fair - you need to be aware of the legal implications/risks of a test cycle

I wish ya luck man, either way your gonna get to your 200lbs n be happy with the results if diet/training/rest/pct are in check.


A THIRD OPTION(might have been previously stated > You could prime your test cycle with a couple of weeks of SD? Not the full 5 weeks, but lessen the duration = less liver stress. N since you got test PROP, if you don't like the SD, you can switch over right away to prop. Or you could just reverse this order. Lots o options man. Keep your liver in mind in all of them tho. Cheers.

 

[OrbitNutrition.com]

i read the first 4 lines and decided to respond, as for keeping gains its just like a test cycle or any cycle its all about your PCT. Hell i have put on 24lbs on a months worth of phs and kept 21lbs not so bad and anyone can keep there gains from any kind of cycle as long as your PCT/diet and training are all in line.

 

[Guitarhead]

wow. thanks for all imput guys , i really appreciate it. I have heard really good things about the beast too.

but i see points with both sides , so i just dont know what to do.. i guess im just going to think about it for a while.

Hairloss is my main concern though.

...and to the guy who responded second..its alright no problem and i understand where your coming from. but i have been researching alot, im not a moron. its just i didnt go very detailed into my first post cause i was busy at the moment. so its all good, and thanks for advice.


I think my training is spot on.. Diet has been pretty in check lately. Currently trying the CKD diet. which is pretty dang hard but i can see a difference in my body every day and so far (knock on wood) no strength loss...

 

[.J.P.]

with AAS coem side effects if you dotn want them then dont use them
I rec this for a mild cycle:
wk1-12 500mg ew Testcyp
wk1-5 30mg ed Tbol
wk1-13 0.6mg e3d Letro

I would rec GP since I loved there tbol and the testcyp was super smooth..