1st cycle- please critique

[flickenu]

I just typed this whole damn thing out and forgot to specify a form so I have to do it again. I've decided to run my first cycle. I know i havent reached my natural potential yet and I'm an idiot for doing this but i'm gonna do it sooner or later and I can't wait any longer. Originally I wanted to do an anavar only cycle but that can't happen anymore since my source doesn't carry it. So I came up with this Here it is, in detail-

300 mg ttokyo eq/week weeks 1-10
50 mg Ttokyo Winny tabs/eod weeks 5-10
Clomid 3 weeks after last injection of eq at 300 mg the 1st day, 100 mgs days 2-11, and 50 mgs days 12-21.

Since the eq is 200 mg/ml and 10 ml to a bottle this means I would have 2000 mg or 20 cc's to a bottle correct? So I'll be getting 2 bottles if im not mistaken. I've done quite a bit of research thus far but want to make sure of 2 things. Is 23 g 1.5" ok to shoot the eq in the butt? I'm gonna take 2 injections a week to cut down on the soreness, which days would I want to inject? I was thinking tuesday and friday to spread it out evenly. Also, I've read that eq can shut down hpta when bridged, is this only when bridged or also by itself? What sort of side effects should I expect from this cycle? With proper training, diet, and usage what kind of gains can i expect from this? My stats are 18 yrs 5'9".....here come the flames ....140 lbs 6% bf. Yes I know im a f'ing twig and I'm probably too young to do this but I want to give it a shot (no pun intended). I'm leaving for college for 9 months and would like to come back to my hometown looking revamped. Any replies are appreciated, sorry for all the questions but i figure its better to put them all in one post rather than take up george's board space with 5 different posts. Thanks alot.

 

[Italianboy]

Take w tabs ED(if you want 25mg ed or beter 50mg ed!)
TTOKKYO EQ is 200mgxml,10ml(10cc).So you need 1,5ml(1,5cc)to have 300mg each week.YOu can shoot all at once on monday in ass or quad(I like to shoot in the quad)
Clomid teraphy is ok.I start it the week after the last shoot of EQ,but here manypeople say that it's better do like YOU do.

 

[flickenu]

Take w tabs ED(if you want 25mg ed or beter 50mg ed!)

Good idea, mustang told me to take 50 mg ed but i dont have the $ to afford that. I'll go with 25mg ed.

Clomid teraphy is ok.I start it the week after the last shoot of EQ,but here manypeople say that it's better do like YOU do.

I want to do it 3 weeks after the last shot because eq stays in your system for 3 weeks and theoretically taking clomid while the EQ is still in my system defeats the purpose correct?

 

[Nimrod25]

EQ will shutdown the hpta at any dose, but 300mg is very mild as far a sides are concerned. Eq aromatizes very poorly, but is also a weak anabolic, so don't expect much weight gain. However that cycle will br very good for strength and hardness. As for clomid u may want to wait longer than a week after, because EQ can be active for up to 3 weeks post cycle.

 

[flickenu]

bump, thanks for the info so far, anyone else wanna chime in?

 

[RADAR]

Clomid starts 3 wks after your last shot..yes a 23 G is ok.....i would throw some dbol in there at 30 mg ed for first 5 wks to add some size to go with that hardness................ RADAR

 

[flickenu]

I could get the dbol fairly cheap except I'd be a little worried about my liver. Since winny and dbol are both I 7-alpha alkylated I'd probably need some liver detox along with the other liver protectants eh? I'll think about it, depends if i can come up with some more money, I'm stretching it as it is right now. One of my biggest concerns is the side effects I'm gonna see from my cycle. I'm not real sure waht to expect.

 

[Italianboy]

Yes Nimrod is right.But I prefer staring clomid earlier..probabilky just a state of mind,but after a month and half my lh and test level go back to normal...But (scientificamente) I'm wrong and Nimrod is right!

 

[flickenu]

I'll bump one last time.

 

[Lift or Die]

That looks like a pretty mild cycle so don't expect huge gains.

If money is an issue for you then why not drop the winny and substitute it with some Test instead at about 500mg/wk.

 

[Juice me]

If your going to get two bottles of eq then you should run it at 400 mg week for ten weeks. It looks like you did your reaserch for this cycle , which is rare around here. if you could get dbol you could run it for the first four weeks at 30 ed, and put the winny in at the end for weeks 7 through 12, and then start clomid on week 13.
good luck.

 

[flickenu]

If your going to get two bottles of eq then you should run it at 400 mg week for ten weeks. It looks like you did your reaserch for this cycle , which is rare around here. if you could get dbol you could run it for the first four weeks at 30 ed, and put the winny in at the end for weeks 7 through 12, and then start clomid on week 13.

Yeah i've decided to run the eq at 400 mg/week. I was thinking about replacing the winny with the sust redi-jects for weeks 1-10 but I don't really feel like sticking a pitchfork in my ass. At first glance it would be cheaper to run this cycle-
Eq 400 mg/week weeks 1-10
sust 250 mg/ week weeks 1-10
dbol 30 mg/week 1-4.
run the clomid 3 weeks after the last eq shot...
BUT, would i have to get a box of armidex to keep down the bloat? what kind of side effects might i see from these types of dosages with my stature. I don't think it'd be too hard on the liver since i'm running the dbol at a low dose for a short period of time but maybe i'm wrong.

 

[champion]

I like the above cycle.
Bloat is good
test dose is real low so just get nolva instead of arimidex unless you got a cheap arimidex source.
Take liver protectors
enjoy

 

[flickenu]

Should I run the EQ 3 weeks longer than the sust? I've heard of some people doing this because sust is a long acting ester and by running the eq while the sust is fading away it will prevent me from losing some of my strength. It would look something like this-

EQ 300 mg/week 1-11
Sust 250 mg/week 1-8
Dbol 30 mg/week 1-4
Clomid after.

Should I use armidex or nolvadex??? nolva is alot cheaper, but would be be happy i used the armidex instead?

 

[solidspine]

Briefly your final cycle configuration looks perfect and you should see some nice gains with mild to no sides.

Consider nolvadex on had with the test and if your concerned about clomid, I prefer HCG post cycle

But test, eq and d-bol are a great, kick ass combo,

The nolvadex question is more based on water vrs gyno,

both will help prevent gyno, but only armidex will help keep the bloat down,

I'm on primo, test and d-bol and nolvadex (no armidex) just week 2 and I'm up to 165 from 155 most of this is water retention,

 

[flickenu]

Thanks for all the replies but i am still worried about the side effects. My main concern is hair loss, I don't want to be an 18 year old walking around with a toupee. (i know this is overexxagerated) But i made the choice to do the cycle so i'll suffer the consequences if it happens. Do you think between 400 mg eq for 11 weeks, 250 sust for 8, and 25 mg dbol for 4 or 5 that I will encounter hair loss?

How should I divide the injections? Would 2cc's eq and 1.25 cc's of sust on monday and the same on thursday be ok? or is 3.25 cc's too much to shoot at once. I've heard sust is painful so i want to put the eq in to help it out.

 

[flickenu]

damnit i said that was my last bump but i just need the above question answered.

 

[Powerchord]

with the above cycle, I would think you'd have no problems...(I'm on pretty much the exact same cycle now)...you'll like it

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[Italianboy]

For hair loss:add 2,5-5mg/ed of finasteride.It will help even if your test will be less effective(and in my case I hade little problems of incoming gyno w finastid+test).

For the test choice:I wouldn't use susta but enathate or cyp....less painfull
And you can divide the injections as you like.

 

[RADAR]

the levels you're running test & eq 7 dbol you should not have any problems with hair loss....good luck & good gains...RADAR

 

[bigmarco]

You won't have any problems with hair loss at 250mg test and 300mg of Eq. Unfortunatly you will not have much of the other desired side effects, namely growth. 300mg of Eq is useless.

This will be a better cycle

2cc of Eq in your left glute every 5 days until your bottles run out.

2cc of Test Enanthate in your right glute every 7 days.

Take 30mg of dbol a day for 4 weeks.

The problem with taking dosages to keep side effects down is that you will not grow. Most sides are not dangerous. Get blood tests and be wary of your liver enzymes and your lipid profile. Monitor you blood pressure. For the most part, sides will be gone post cycle.

Take precautions, but the goal is to grow and become more muscular. If there were no consequences everone would be on the juice.

 

[NCLifter]

Mild cycle

That cycle sounds too light and pretty expensive. Seeing your stats, I'm guessing you want to go for a mass cycle. Something more effective and economical would be an 8-10 week cycle of 500mg of Sustanon a week with 4-6 DBol a day. Its basic, cheap and will put some fucking size on you. Make sure you have Nolvadex and clomid on hand and eat like a horse.

I know alot of people are going to say you are too young, but I also know you dont give a shit. I didnt. Just be smart, keep reading the boards and look out for your health first. Listen to your body. Your first cycle will be one of your best. Do your homework, and train hard. Good Luck.