1st cycle help

[pov]

im 21 been training 3 years
diet gud, 200 or more grams of protein a day
6.1 or 6.2 in height
90kg weight

heres my cycle plan..
week 1 to 12 sustanon 250mg a week
week 1 to 12 deca 200mg a week
week 4 till 8 anavar 20mg a day

Nolvadex is in hand if needed
2 Weeks of HCG after cycle
Clomid for 3 weeks at 20mg a day end of cycle

Please help and advise me on whether its gud bad. how to change it etc.
thanks for your time

 

[biggernu]

that is a pretty hefty first cycle you have there. also deca is a nandrolone and you do not want to run nolva with it. why not use just test e or test c and dbol to see how your body reacts? I would say go a bit more conservative

weeks 1-10 400-500mg test e or test c
weeks 1-4 30mg of dbol
weeks 5-pct Hcg 500iu e5d

 

[pov]

cheers for quick reply, i was wanting the deca because or helping my joints and seems to be effective, the sustanon seems to be most 1st time users choice and seems to work and was told buy a freind to go for sus.
the anavar i wanted to gain the extra strength.
should i not take nolva even thought gyno could appear?

 

[biggernu]

cheers for quick reply, i was wanting the deca because or helping my joints and seems to be effective, the sustanon seems to be most 1st time users choice and seems to work and was told buy a freind to go for sus.
the anavar i wanted to gain the extra strength.
should i not take nolva even thought gyno could appear?

armidex

 

[sweed]

your already on deca... stop the deca and run sust for the 12 weeks and that's it. That will be great for strength gains believe me. why add more compounds ?

 

[pov]

i see so replace armidex with nolva, cheers also why take HCG week 5? do you think my planned cycle will hold great results?

 

[dabuffguy]

i see so replace armidex with nolva, cheers also why take HCG week 5? do you think my planned cycle will hold great results?

no, replace nolva with arimidex.

Nolva will not prevent gyno like arimidex will.

You'll get plenty strong, I'd go with what biggernu suggested on his cycle plan outline.

 

[biggernu]

no, replace nolva with arimidex.

Nolva will not prevent gyno like arimidex will.

You'll get plenty strong, I'd go with what biggernu suggested on his cycle plan outline.

im getting better and better with my aas knowledge. i have purschased a bunch of books and am understanding how chemical compounds work.

 

[cobracock1979]

im getting better and better with my aas knowledge. i have purschased a bunch of books and am understanding how chemical compounds work.

Nolva will mess u up with Deca - never combine them. I prefer aromasin to adex but either will do

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

Is it just me or did Mava have a thread around last week about NOT helping with these issues? I'm not trying to be rude or anything but this person needs more help than we can offer right now.

First he is 21. Second, he has clearly not done any homework at all. Last, he is setting himself up for disaster.

This is just scary. This is how someone can seriously get hurt.

 

[biggernu]

Is it just me or did Mava have a thread around last week about NOT helping with these issues? I'm not trying to be rude or anything but this person needs more help than we can offer right now.

First he is 21. Second, he has clearly not done any homework at all. Last, he is setting himself up for disaster.

This is just scary. This is how someone can seriously get hurt.

no one under the age of 21 is to receive any help on cycles.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

no one under the age of 21 is to receive any help on cycles.

My bad. It is actually UNDER 21. However, the user asking for information needs to do some homework. He has NO idea as to what he is talking about right now. Here is the thread:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/new-rule-re-underage-members-596206.html


Again, I'm not trying to be a prick but this is scary to say the least.

 

[biggernu]

My bad. It is actually UNDER 21. However, the user asking for information needs to do some homework. He has NO idea as to what he is talking about right now. Here is the thread:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/new-rule-re-underage-members-596206.html


Again, I'm not trying to be a prick but this is scary to say the least.

at least he asked before he did anything. you can't fault someone for asking a question on something that can be very complicated and confusing, and everyone thinks they are an expert on.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

at least he asked before he did anything. you can't fault someone for asking a question on something that can be very complicated and confusing, and everyone thinks they are an expert on.

I know he asked, and I have no problem helping anyone with anything at all. My point is that if you are asking the difference between nolva and armidex and the such you NEED to do more homework. I'm just trying to keep a brother safe.

These things can be confusing, I agree but that is what the stickys are for. Most new people don't read any of them (as for the original poster of this thread I am unaware if he read any of them or not) and just post up..."what do you think if...." questions.

Like I said, I'm not trying to be harsh or anything like that, anyone on this forum who knows me will tell you I am not. I just think that it is scary as hell when someone is asking questions like this BEFORE doing any reseach and just "doing what my buddy told me".

 

[pov]

hi all, i have done research but maybe not enough, my local told me to use nolva but by asking you guys i now know not to take it! there are 2 websites i did research on and they told me to take 10mg of nolva everyday which is completely wrong.
The reasom i ask fellow bros is simply because though i did my research some of it was wrong, by asking "experienced" users i can gain the best possible info and facts about how your cycles went.
cheers

 

[bobby716]

pretty new to this myself but i would run the hcg during to keep ur boys busy so they are never surpressed in their day to day functions this way once you come off the gear there is no sudden pick up they need to account for ... read the PCT sticky it really helps

 

[Mavafanculo]

hi all, i have done research but maybe not enough, my local told me to use nolva but by asking you guys i now know not to take it! there are 2 websites i did research on and they told me to take 10mg of nolva everyday which is completely wrong.
The reasom i ask fellow bros is simply because though i did my research some of it was wrong, by asking "experienced" users i can gain the best possible info and facts about how your cycles went.
cheers

so which BB site has the most accurate and responsible advice on the net??????????????????????


as to people jumping in before they really have a solid understanding as to how they are about to mess with their hormones and how they can mitigate the shortf-term damage, all we can do is repeat it until its boring:

read read read.

dont touch anything until you fully understand the big picture and the little picture of your diet, training, your cycle and your PCT.

 

[pov]

learning so much, i feel my head getting bigger!! ok so next question is, how long you have to wait for the next cycle?

 

[702daswoll1]

TIME ON = TIME OFF newb.