1st cycle....got some questions......thanks!

[R1 Psycho]

New to the board...have some quick questions.....
I am 30 yrs old, about 190 pounds, about 6 foot with roughly 12% BF
I am going to try some gear for the 1st time and was wondering what you guys think of my short stack......Have been training pretty solid for past 5 years but am not realy making the gains that I used to.....going 4-5 days a week....
A friend set me up with this but am having second thoughts now...here it is..

10 ml bottle of Test Propionate
10 ml bottle of Trenbolone
50 tabs of winstrol (50mg's)
15000 IU's of HCG
100 tabs of Novaldex (50mg's)

take a 1ml shot of each every 3rd day for the 1st 4-5 weeks,
1 winstrol tab every day for the entire 8 weeks,

Really only want to make some quality gains that I can keep...and only a few added pounds.....don't want to get huge and then lose it all, along with my drive to train and hump etc!! So am now thinking about maybe just sticking with the winnie tabs and that's it....for 8 weeks.....(I know you guys are probably thiking "waste of time"......is it to get some small gains and really lean?)

If I do stick with the original cycle, is it ok to do te injectables for 4-5 weeks, then stop and just continue with the winnie tabs? what kind of PCT should I be doing? should I be using some HCG during that cycle along with Nolva?

If I just simply go with the Winnie tabs for 8 weeks, do I still need to run a PCT? Is there the possibility of being shut down from the winnie tabs?

Guys....I realize that i am asking alot here.....and yes, I have done research but it gets pretty confusing to say the least....I was hoping that you guys could give me your thoughts...and all the criticism you want to!!

And of course if you feel like it, maybe set me up with a program w\ pct

thanks guys...

 

[shamrock11]

Ok that's not enough gear for a cycle long enough to give you any lasting benfits. Just do 500mg Test E. for ten weeks one shot every seven days. Both the tren and the prop need to be shot everyday or at the very least eod. You can add the winstrol to the last four weeks of the test cycle if you like and keep the nolva and hcg for PCT. I would suggest the cycle you listed for a beginner just b/c of the frequency of the shots.

 

[pentatonic]

I think that stack is a really bad choice for a first cycle. 10ml prop will not last long and neither will the Tren which you probably shouldn't be doing either first cycle anyway. Just go with a Test only cycle but use Cypionate or Enanthate instead of Prop. You would only have to stick yourself once or twice a week instead of every day or every other day with Propionate.

 

[nutsnack]

the prop is okay to do for ure first cycle just a pain in the ass w/ having to stick ureself so many damn times.. i wouldnt do the tren or stack 3 roids on ure first cycle IF you do get enough to run it long enough!

 

[cornfish]

all the above is correct. Stick with test the first time out so you know how it affects your body. It isn't a race and you will walk away with some good baseline knowledge on how it affects your body so that you will be able to plan more knowledgable next cycle. I did test my first time and am glad i did.
I don't have the experience that most of the guys here do, but being relatively new, i can say for sure that you want to do it in steps. You will be impressed with just test if you eat enough

 

[R1 Psycho]

Hey guys...thanks alot for the quick responses....newbie needs direction!! haha
so I have decided to just hold off on the tren all together, as advised....
Now some of you suggest going with the Prop and others say hit the cyp for test intake....why go with the cyp?...just to cut down on the # of times I have to stick myself?....Honestly....if this is the only reason then I dont care......needles dont bother me in the least.......but if there is actually other more important reasons, please let me know.

BTW...last night I stuck myself with both tren and prop...1 cc of each...and it didnt hurt at all...not even today....can barely tell where I stuck it....is this weird?...people told me it would hurt like hell)

Also, no one rep[lied to me about going with just the winnie cycle for 8 weeks....Im thihnking of maybe just doing this....OK...I admit...im a bit scared of feeling really shitty and burned out after the cycle...and losing all my drive and balls etc. My buddy is going through this right now......

Do i need to do a pct after just winnie?????

If i go with the prop and winnie, can you guys suggest the proper pct for me and should I be doing HCG and Nolva during the cycle?

THanks again guys.....yuppers.....after all these requests i owe you all beers.....or....ummm.....chicken breasts!!~!...haha

 

[gymratforlife]

Hey guys...thanks alot for the quick responses....newbie needs direction!! haha
so I have decided to just hold off on the tren all together, as advised....
Now some of you suggest going with the Prop and others say hit the cyp for test intake....why go with the cyp?...just to cut down on the # of times I have to stick myself?....Honestly....if this is the only reason then I dont care......needles dont bother me in the least.......but if there is actually other more important reasons, please let me know.

BTW...last night I stuck myself with both tren and prop...1 cc of each...and it didnt hurt at all...not even today....can barely tell where I stuck it....is this weird?...people told me it would hurt like hell)

Also, no one rep[lied to me about going with just the winnie cycle for 8 weeks....Im thihnking of maybe just doing this....OK...I admit...im a bit scared of feeling really shitty and burned out after the cycle...and losing all my drive and balls etc. My buddy is going through this right now......

Do i need to do a pct after just winnie?????

If i go with the prop and winnie, can you guys suggest the proper pct for me and should I be doing HCG and Nolva during the cycle?

THanks again guys.....yuppers.....after all these requests i owe you all beers.....or....ummm.....chicken breasts!!~!...haha

Ohhhh brother were to start,Id better just bite my tongue on this one .

 

[cougar8]

Ohhhh brother were to start,Id better just bite my tongue on this one .

LOL!!! I couldn't agree more!

 

[pentatonic]

I'll hit on two things:
#1 Prop or Cyp or Enanthate, doesn't matter, I mentioned Cyp or Enanthate just becauese it being your first cycle, you will not have to stick yourself as much.

#2 I would not waste my first cycle on a Winstrol only cycle, you have so much to gain from a first cycle and no way i would waste it on Winstrol.

Why are you already sticking yourself with Tren and Prop but then asking what you should do for your first cycle?

You need to do a lot more research. Visit the PCT Forum.

 

[nutsnack]

Why are you already sticking yourself with Tren and Prop but then asking what you should do for your first cycle?

This is exactly what i was thinking....

Don't be the next steroids ruined my life story man!! don't be in a hurry ull get so much more out of it if u go into it knowing more!