1st cycle begining to come together

[mphowells]

Right then just looking for some comments (good or/and bad) about this:

30mg BD var - 8 weeks (may only be 20mg for the first 10 days)

Day after finishing - 150mg clomid - week 1
100mg clomid - week 2
50mg clomid - week 3
I'm also gonna take milk thistle with the var and obviously clean diet packed with protein and calories.

I was also thinking of creatine post cycle to try and keep gains but is that really needed with var only cycle?

I appreciate any comments/advice given.

 

[matto18]

make sure to run creatine DURING the cycle. var and creatine were synergistically. this looks great for a good, safe, lean first cycle.

 

[flex2win]

Var+Creatine==CAKES AND PIES!!

 

[mphowells]

Var+Creatine==CAKES AND PIES!!

OK, I'm missing something here cos I dont get it
Anyway, I thought creatine was good for after a cycle to help keep gains. Also isn't it bad on the liver too, so that with var will be that bit more worse on the liver(don't get me wrong matto18, I aint arguing just want to get it clear in my head). Thanks.

 

[BIC]

var wont hurt your liver what so ever w/ 30mg a day..take the creatine like 30g a day also,,,,

BIC

 

[mphowells]

ok thanks, will have to add v12 to the shopping list!

 

[flex2win]

Var and creatine have a very good relationship, they like each other very much...

 

[JoBu]

30g of creatine ED? Sounds a bit much...10g should be fine split morning and post-workout.

var wont hurt your liver what so ever w/ 30mg a day..take the creatine like 30g a day also,,,,

BIC

 

[mphowells]

30g of creatine ED? Sounds a bit much...10g should be fine split morning and post-workout.

Right, i'll have to give it a look. Also one of the things I wanted to know was how to take the dosage of var. They are 10mg tabs and have an 8 hour half life so I was thinking 1 10mg tab in the morning (10am) and then the 2 10mg tabs about 7pm.

 

[matto18]

that dosage split sounds fine. there are a lot of different theories out there concerning the dosage split for var. i think what you have listed looks good to me. good luck with your cycle man and keep us informed about your results.

 

[oubeta]

Looks good

 

[WolfPack Charlie]

Jobu got it right, I think 10g creatine is sufficient. Anymore is a little too much. When I first started taking creatine I was taking the loading phase as suggested and got really sick. The doc said I had hepatitis, and asked if I'd been sleeping with anyone other than my wife. Turns out, I didnt have the std hep but a form known as toxic hep which could have been caused by the use of the creatine. Thats what the doc said.

 

[JoBu]

Creatine whore

Jobu got it right, I think 10g creatine is sufficient. Anymore is a little too much. When I first started taking creatine I was taking the loading phase as suggested and got really sick. The doc said I had hepatitis, and asked if I'd been sleeping with anyone other than my wife. Turns out, I didnt have the std hep but a form known as toxic hep which could have been caused by the use of the creatine. Thats what the doc said.

 

[mphowells]

Thanks for the help guys, I did my research so was quit happy with what I had decided. The only thing I'm unsure about is the milk thistle for my liver. Having never seen it I dont even know if it is in tab form. How much should I be looking at taking during my cycle and should I also be using it PCT?

 

[T2O]

Bro I wouldn't even touch clomid with Var unless you think your nuts are affected. I never kinew or heard of anyone that did a post cycle with Var only. Its the safest and best imo of all the AAS. Don't expect big gains but everything you get is solid and you should keep it. I would run Var year around if I had the $$ I would do the Var at 25-30 mgs ed.Do your loading phase of Creatine 10mgs ed or so then drop down to a maint. dose. I would'nt waste my time with the affects of clomid or waste the extra cash. Milk thistel should be in a cap form and can definitely not hurt. I would look into some Craberry juice and/or extract. An awsome completely safe first cycle. btw maint on creatine should be around 5mgs ed

 

[Ganryu]

T2O, wouldn't he want to do more than a maintenance while on var given the increased uptake capabilities? I wouldn't think 10-15g/day split up would be bad while on this cycle. I wouldn't go more than 15g though.

 

[T2O]

Actually I would have to agree. I defintitely wouldn't go over 15mgs ed. Bro you better keep your water intake wayyyyyy up!!! He could always drop down if he starts getting headaches or the shits or something. Maybe he could just stay on 10mgs ed. I've done it for 6months and never had any problems at all.

 

[BigNutt_2]

So is there any need for PCT after doing a Var only cycle?

 

[mphowells]

So is there any need for PCT after doing a Var only cycle?

I'm guessing there must be mixed opinions on this cos in a thread recently someone said ALL should have PCT. To be honest the money isnt really a problem and I'm not TOO woried about my balls so I think I will stik with clomid (even if its for just 2 weeks instead of 3.1st week at 100 and 2nd at 50)

AS for creatine I might just follow the label which I think will be roughy 15 to load up and 10 throughout(although dont quote me).

I will look into what dosage of milk thistle I will have and I will get some cranberry extract. Thanks for all the help.

 

[JoBu]

Var doesn't aromatize so you won't have gyno issues but that doesn't mean you don't need PCT. You'll still be shut down and need to get your natural test procuction back up to speed. You'll get a dozen different opinions...mine is to go with HCG and Nolva.

 

[T2O]

I kinda disagree. I have never seen or heard of Var shutting anyone down............. but maybe your the first to tell me

 

[Ganryu]

I don't think you will get shutdown, but you will probably be suppressed. Having HCG and Nolva on hand couldn't hurt.

 

[mphowells]

since i have got stuff for pct i may as wekk use it i think.