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17aa - experience vs. steroid profiles

jake73

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"You should educate yourself more" and "read, read, read" is something your really read a lot on forums.
Hence forums and this kind of threads/questions by novices :)
So I trust on the Elite guys to give solid directions, without sending someone back into the woods an TRY figure it out on their own with all the risks of misinterpretation and misuse.

Here goes;
I read a lot of times on forums not to stack more 17aa's because it would be a to high impact on the liver. And what I take from it, all is about liver toxicity. Danger to cancer, enlargment and absess. This would be real life experiences.
Though when reading steroid profiles on the internet, it is not clearly advised against to do so. When reading correctly, you take from it that even better results can be obtained by doing so.
When I read the profiles of for example Dbol, Anavar and Winstrol, it seems they can all
contribute to each others effects.

Anavar+Dbol = strength cycle instead of bulking
Winstrol+Dbol = leaner gains/less fluid retention.
Anavar+Winstrol = Cutting

Quotes:
"Those who are more interested in strength then mass can combine Dianabol with either Oxandrolone
or Winstrol tablets." Does Dbol come in another form then tabs? So there are 2 tabs of 17aa for the liver.
"Those who are interested in gaining quality muscle should stack Oxandrolone with Winstrol, Primo, Test."

Let's be clear I am not talking about elite bodybuilding cycles with high doses, but beginner/novice level.
Using above AAS at lower doses will give a beginner good results. Right?
Would stacking 17aa's then be a problem if done for only about 6-8 weeks at lowest dose advised and with taking liver support? (how much Milk Thistle should you take anyway? 600mg each day enough?)

I am a beginner to AAS and I do want to start a light cycle. Previously I did a few PH cycles, but only had some but little result.
My mayor goal would be for my sport (speed/explosive power) to gain strength an loose BF(also by dieting), maybe bulk a little especially my legs.
I am thinking of just the Anavar and see how my body reacts. And maybe in time do a short cycle Anavar/Dbol.

What would be a good PCT per compound or combination?
Dbol: Nolvadex/on and Clomid/after?
Anavar: No conversion, rebound of LH after quitting. So?
Winstrol: ?

My stats;
35y
175cm
185kg
19%BF

Let's hear it...
 
Some of the pro's may correct me here, but I think that regardless of what compounds you are taking, you can keep your PCT the same across the board.

I.e. HCG while ON cycle to stop atrophy, then something like Unleashed/Post Cycle/Forged Post Cycle/TRS while on PCT.

This should keep you covered. For any estrogen rebound, you can throw in an AI.



And you're 185KG? Holy crap.
 
Some of the pro's may correct me here, but I think that regardless of what compounds you are taking, you can keep your PCT the same across the board.

Typically yes, but it's dependent on what compounds are being ran and how long of a cycle your planning on running.
 
Okay, for instance let's say you would be running it like this;

wk1 Dbol 25mg/d (nolav on hand)
wk2 Dbol 30mg/d (nolav on hand)
wk3 Dbol 40mg/d (nolav on hand)
wk4 Dbol 25mg/d and Winni 50mg/d (nolav on hand)
wk5 Winni 50mg/d and Anavar 30mg/d
wk6 Winni 50mg/d and Anavar 30mg/d
wk7 Winni 50mg/d and Anavar 30mg/d
wk8 Winni 50mg/d
wk9+10 pct with Clomid (and nolva)

As said before. Dosages at the low side for a beginner, and across the cycle total ms'g are below the recomended maximum,
and time of cycling 17AA is 8 weeks max..

Would 17AA in this way still het the liver that hard?

Yes, I know, better to inject, but I am just curiouse how bad it really would be?
Would 2x 17AA be a sum of eachother or more like a multiply.
 
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