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Natymike
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for immitating wrestling moves on a little girl and killing her.
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14 year old gets LIFE without parole
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pauly
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Too harsh.
Checkmatebloated
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I bet he slammed her down really hard. Man that sucks for the girl and her family. The law is the law. Fourteen year old boys might no should be piledriving 6 year olds in any case.
We already talked this through on here I think.
In my opinion it is sad, but at the same time, when you are playing with someone (especially a child) and they start to cry, by 14 you should know it is too far.
If they bleed, then it is WAY too far. When they are unconscious and stop responding, by now there is CLEARLY a problem.
This boy was imitating wrestling moves on a crying, then bleeding, then unconscious girl without stopping.
He either intended to kill her, in which case he deserves the sentence, or he is too fucking stupid to know when a child is severrely hurt. If the latter is true, then keeping him out of society doesn;t bother me all that much.
In my opinion it is sad, but at the same time, when you are playing with someone (especially a child) and they start to cry, by 14 you should know it is too far.
If they bleed, then it is WAY too far. When they are unconscious and stop responding, by now there is CLEARLY a problem.
This boy was imitating wrestling moves on a crying, then bleeding, then unconscious girl without stopping.
He either intended to kill her, in which case he deserves the sentence, or he is too fucking stupid to know when a child is severrely hurt. If the latter is true, then keeping him out of society doesn;t bother me all that much.
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Julez
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I don't know about US law but here a person can only be convicted of murder if they met two conditions:-
1/ They had the 'actus reas' - guilty act, they killed the person(S)
2/ They had the 'mens reas' - guilty mind, they INTENDED to kill the person(s)
In court if condition 2 is not met the criminal prosecution service(CPS) will change the charge to either voluantary or involountary manslaugter.
We had a case a few years ago of the Jamie Bulger kills. Jamie was around 4. Two kids of 12 took him to a railway track and threw rocks at him until he was dead. They were detained at 'Her Majesty's Pleasue' (ie, indefinetly). They are 18 now and out of prison. The public outrage was so great that they had served about six years the crown took out injunctions to stop the press publishing their current photos, address details, etc.
It is widely believed that they are now living in Australia or even America under new identities.
My point... did this kid intend to kill the girl? If not this should be taken into consideration. Those Bulger killer sacks of shit should still be in prison.
BTW, In this country drunk drivers who kill in car 'accidents' get off with around 5 years.....
1/ They had the 'actus reas' - guilty act, they killed the person(S)
2/ They had the 'mens reas' - guilty mind, they INTENDED to kill the person(s)
In court if condition 2 is not met the criminal prosecution service(CPS) will change the charge to either voluantary or involountary manslaugter.
We had a case a few years ago of the Jamie Bulger kills. Jamie was around 4. Two kids of 12 took him to a railway track and threw rocks at him until he was dead. They were detained at 'Her Majesty's Pleasue' (ie, indefinetly). They are 18 now and out of prison. The public outrage was so great that they had served about six years the crown took out injunctions to stop the press publishing their current photos, address details, etc.
It is widely believed that they are now living in Australia or even America under new identities.
My point... did this kid intend to kill the girl? If not this should be taken into consideration. Those Bulger killer sacks of shit should still be in prison.
BTW, In this country drunk drivers who kill in car 'accidents' get off with around 5 years.....
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Warik
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Too harsh... on the taxpayers. I can't believe I'm going to have to support this murderer for the rest of his life.
I hope someone imitates a few moves on him in jail. The "Atomic Assrape" sounds like a good place to start.
-Warik
I hope someone imitates a few moves on him in jail. The "Atomic Assrape" sounds like a good place to start.
-Warik
satanic goatslayer
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They should drink a bottle of shine, break it and stab the little mongrel to death outside of the prison.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
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Frackal
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Good.
MaGilicuti
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i'm glad he got life, wouldn't be satisfied any other way. at any age he is a cold blooded killer. if u do'nt agree with that let him sleep in your house instead of the jail
Natymike
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RyanH said:
They might as well put him to death if they are going to take away his entire future like this. I think its waay too drastic, maybe he will somehow get parole. Its not like the kid was a career criminal, just lacked common sense like most 14 year olds.
Not trying to justify the murder, and I didn't hear the facts of the case, but I don't see how putting a 14 year old in jail for life is going to help anything. 10-15 would be a just punishment for his immaturity.
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BO-CEPHUS
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A public hanging would have been more appropriate.
HumanShell
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He got what he deserved. If the court had decided that he didn't know the difference between fake and real violence at his age, then they should prosecute his parents for not being good parents.
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Warik
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RyanH said:
Cuz you've said otherwise in the past.
Oh yea, by the way, the kid should be put to death. I hope the inmates kill him.
Awww did I make you angry?
-Warik
MuSuLPhReAk
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Way too harsh.
thefantom1
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Natymike said:
Yeah, 10-15 would of been good........ if you wanted him to get out in 7 years and then kill someone else again... WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???? I remember this case...this little girl had the shit beat outta her...multiple injuries and broken bones... he didn't just bodyslam her one time..he beat the fuck outta her.......here is aquote from the article...
"Lazarus defended his decision in court documents, charging that none of his critics was "privy to the horrific facts brought out during that trial; not one person sat through the pathetic testimony of the results of Lionel Tate's deeds upon the body of Tiffany Eunick"
He got just punishment....
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Warik
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To say that this murderer should get anything less than death is to say that his crime was "OK."
That murderer will get to live the rest of his life - a luxury the innocent young girl will not have. He should be put to death immediately. Life in prison may give him enough time to behave and avoid an eternity in Hell - we must avoid that at all costs...
-Warik
That murderer will get to live the rest of his life - a luxury the innocent young girl will not have. He should be put to death immediately. Life in prison may give him enough time to behave and avoid an eternity in Hell - we must avoid that at all costs...
-Warik
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KAYNE
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LIFE W/O PAROLE IS TOO HARSH. THE LITTLE BOY SHOULD BE TURNED OVER TO THE LITTLE GIRLS FAMILY. HOWEVER THEY WANT TO DEAL WITH HIM IS WHAT HIS SENTENCE SHOULD BE.
KAYNE
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thebabydoc
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total bump to "king" Winny... That was just a typical Johnny Cochrane defense- blame someone else.
Wake the fuck up NatyMike!!! Do you really think your typical bleeding heart, blame-someone-else, liberal American jury would have found this kid guilty of murder 1 if he wasn't blatantly so?
This 14-year old should be drawn and quartered, along with the lawyers that came up with such a bullshit defense (see RyanH's poll on death penalty). The WWF should also sue the fucking lawyers for libel and defamation of character.
Wake the fuck up NatyMike!!! Do you really think your typical bleeding heart, blame-someone-else, liberal American jury would have found this kid guilty of murder 1 if he wasn't blatantly so?
This 14-year old should be drawn and quartered, along with the lawyers that came up with such a bullshit defense (see RyanH's poll on death penalty). The WWF should also sue the fucking lawyers for libel and defamation of character.
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maybe the lawyers where not so happy to defend a killer
"This 14-year old should be drawn and quartered, along with the lawyers that came up with such a bullshit defense (see RyanH's poll on death penalty)."
Why not let him free and let the people take care of it?
Can anyone (WHO HAS KIDS), imagine what this is. My god, if it was my kid, i would kill him myself if he would become free.
I couldn't live knowing he walked free.
"This 14-year old should be drawn and quartered, along with the lawyers that came up with such a bullshit defense (see RyanH's poll on death penalty)."
Why not let him free and let the people take care of it?
Can anyone (WHO HAS KIDS), imagine what this is. My god, if it was my kid, i would kill him myself if he would become free.
I couldn't live knowing he walked free.
thebabydoc
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Re: maybe the lawyers where not so happy to defend a killer
I'm not sure what you're insinuating. Are you saying that the kid's lawyers, the same guys who came up with this ridiculous defense instead of maybe pleading for help for this kid, etc... might have a conscience? How naive can you be? They are DEFENSE attorneys, they checked their morals at the door, and if you're not sure of this, then I once again point you to the unconscionable defense strategy they chose.
I can't wait until they cornhole, blumkin, hot Carl, and then stab this little MF. They should then send pictures to the girl's family.
Jeff_rys said:
I'm not sure what you're insinuating. Are you saying that the kid's lawyers, the same guys who came up with this ridiculous defense instead of maybe pleading for help for this kid, etc... might have a conscience? How naive can you be? They are DEFENSE attorneys, they checked their morals at the door, and if you're not sure of this, then I once again point you to the unconscionable defense strategy they chose.
I can't wait until they cornhole, blumkin, hot Carl, and then stab this little MF. They should then send pictures to the girl's family.
IMO he got what he deserved. At 14 you are smart enough to know what is right and what is wrong so he should be locked up. Why should he get a second chance when the little girl he killed does not ?
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Warik
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manny78 said:
INVOLUNTARY????????????????
The victim's injuries were reported to be the equivalent of falling two stories onto concrete!
It was a premeditated murder.
With such a slap-on-the-wrist justice system, it's no wonder crime is so high.
-Warik
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Julez
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Warik - Is voilent crime so high in the US?
I read somewhere that the UK has overtaken the US in voilent crime.
As I said earlier in the post, we had two kids here about 12 kill a 4 year old. They abducted him from a shop in Liverpool, took him to a railway track and threw rocks at tim until he was dead.
At 18 they are out. The government was so concerned that vigilanties would find them that they took out an injunction banning newspapers from publishing any pictures or details.
Now they have been moved to a different country, Australia or even the US under new identities. Who know, they may be living on your street.
I read somewhere that the UK has overtaken the US in voilent crime.
As I said earlier in the post, we had two kids here about 12 kill a 4 year old. They abducted him from a shop in Liverpool, took him to a railway track and threw rocks at tim until he was dead.
At 18 they are out. The government was so concerned that vigilanties would find them that they took out an injunction banning newspapers from publishing any pictures or details.
Now they have been moved to a different country, Australia or even the US under new identities. Who know, they may be living on your street.
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thebabydoc
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manny78 said:
I'm sorry, "Canadian criminal code," what is that, like the "Canadian medical system"?
They make you wait ten years to get a trial?
Kill 'em all, we'll make more, and if they don't come out right, kill them too.
absolute hardgainer
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What a fucked up world we live in, if a 6 year old girl is at risk of being killed by a 14 year old.
Even though he'll spend the rest of his life in prison that won't bring the little girl back either!
hardgainer (it's loose / loose)
Even though he'll spend the rest of his life in prison that won't bring the little girl back either!
hardgainer (it's loose / loose)
What about the little girls life? She no longer has it. Life is not harsh enough. I have seen that look in other peoples faces and he does not appear to be all there.
10-15 would be sufficient? Hmmm? He would be what 24-29 years old? Having spent his youth in jail, with no normal mentors only ass rapers and murder's do you really think he would be fit to be released into society? I think not.
He is better off dead. I do not say that lightly as I have two son's myself.
Life in prison without parole will be a pure hell on him till he dies, and death while still seeming cruel would put him out our misery as well as his.
10-15 would be sufficient? Hmmm? He would be what 24-29 years old? Having spent his youth in jail, with no normal mentors only ass rapers and murder's do you really think he would be fit to be released into society? I think not.
He is better off dead. I do not say that lightly as I have two son's myself.
Life in prison without parole will be a pure hell on him till he dies, and death while still seeming cruel would put him out our misery as well as his.
Maybe the judge wanted a heavy sentence as an example..
and no i think crime in Belgium is higher then anywhere in Europe.
It was on the news 10 days ago that Belgium had the highest crime rate of Europe. 10 000 000 people and over a 1 000 000 felonys registrated. So maybe 250 000 not registrated.
(sorry spell check takes for ages)
and no i think crime in Belgium is higher then anywhere in Europe.
It was on the news 10 days ago that Belgium had the highest crime rate of Europe. 10 000 000 people and over a 1 000 000 felonys registrated. So maybe 250 000 not registrated.
(sorry spell check takes for ages)
Re: maybe the lawyers where not so happy to defend a killer
Jeff sweetheart,
I respect your anger over what happened to that beautiful six year old...
but do you really think you'd kill your own son?
Also, where do you think that 14 year old child learned to be so unaware of his own strength, of how easily he could hurt another?
He probably learned it from people who were supposed to love him...
It might be a mercy to a child like that, if he were killed. I doubt his life has been much of a joy to him so far. Poor thing...
In no way am I saying what he did was ok, but he's only a child and he learned it somewhere.
Anyone who jokes here about violence and then decries what this child did, is a total hypocrite (in my opinion).
There is nothing good about this but killing the 14 year old will only perpetuate the cycle of violence...he already has to live with he killed his friend...can you imagine a worse horror than knowing that, for the rest of your life...
I wouldn't be surprised if his own would kill him just like you say you would, Jeff, if they were given half a chance...perhaps the only safe place for him now will be jail (or the equivalent for teenagers)...
love
helen
Jeff_rys said:
Jeff sweetheart,
I respect your anger over what happened to that beautiful six year old...
but do you really think you'd kill your own son?
Also, where do you think that 14 year old child learned to be so unaware of his own strength, of how easily he could hurt another?
He probably learned it from people who were supposed to love him...
It might be a mercy to a child like that, if he were killed. I doubt his life has been much of a joy to him so far
. Poor thing...In no way am I saying what he did was ok, but he's only a child and he learned it somewhere.
Anyone who jokes here about violence and then decries what this child did, is a total hypocrite (in my opinion).
There is nothing good about this but killing the 14 year old will only perpetuate the cycle of violence...he already has to live with he killed his friend...can you imagine a worse horror than knowing that, for the rest of your life...
I wouldn't be surprised if his own would kill him just like you say you would, Jeff, if they were given half a chance...perhaps the only safe place for him now will be jail (or the equivalent for teenagers)...
love
helen
no Helen i meant
if it was my daughter of 6 and he walked free i would kill the murderer. I would go to jail for that. Not kill my own son.
Maybe i said it wrong.
Even if it was a kid of 14, an act like that does not deserve a second change. If he is old enough to act as an adult (in the wrong way), he must be judged as an adult.....
if it was my daughter of 6 and he walked free i would kill the murderer. I would go to jail for that. Not kill my own son.
Maybe i said it wrong.
Even if it was a kid of 14, an act like that does not deserve a second change. If he is old enough to act as an adult (in the wrong way), he must be judged as an adult.....
oh, ok, maybe I misunderstood you, Jeff. Thanks for clarifying...
I think that anyone normal would be angry over the senseless death of a 6 year old.
It's very hard to know what to do with a 14 year old who accidently (apparently) kills another child, their friend even
I noticed in the photo in the news report he looked like he had been crying. I bet.
love
helen
p.s. I have a hard time saying anyone doesn't deserve a second chance but I recognize the need to protect other people from the one being given a second chance, obviously...and I understand all the grief and anger which complicates the issue (imo)
I think that anyone normal would be angry over the senseless death of a 6 year old.
It's very hard to know what to do with a 14 year old who accidently (apparently) kills another child, their friend even
I noticed in the photo in the news report he looked like he had been crying. I bet.
love
helen
p.s. I have a hard time saying anyone doesn't deserve a second chance but I recognize the need to protect other people from the one being given a second chance, obviously...and I understand all the grief and anger which complicates the issue (imo)
Its a harsh penalty, but his mother and lawyers turned down a plea bargain that would have given him 5 years in a juvenile home and then 10 years probation. Why the hell did they do that? Then, the DA decided to prosecute it as 1st degree murder. He was found guilty and the judge had no choice but to follow the laws of Florida.
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