12 wk low dose Var

[10001110101]

contemplating:

Stats 24 y/o, 2nd cycle ~160lbs, 5'6" ~11%bf

wk 1-12 20mg/day var (am dose)
wk 3-12 HCG 250iu e4d.
wk 13-15 HCG 500iu eod (10k IU's)
wk 13-17 Aromasin 25mg/day (fav pct compound)

goals are first a safe (lipids/liver) and minimally suppressing cycle with steady strength increases and moderate fat loss (from ~11%-8%)

lean keepable gains, an athlete cycle, for a non-athlete.

 

[sugashane]

Seems like a nice low dose cycle, I'm just leery of any oral for that long. I will also say that I MIGHT be overly health concious.

 

[ironcheif1984]

contemplating:

Stats 24 y/o, 2nd cycle ~160lbs, 5'6" ~11%bf

wk 1-12 20mg/day var (am dose)
wk 3-12 HCG 250iu e4d.
wk 13-15 HCG 500iu eod (10k IU's)
wk 13-17 Aromasin 25mg/day (fav pct compound)

goals are first a safe (lipids/liver) and minimally suppressing cycle with steady strength increases and moderate fat loss (from ~11%-8%)

lean keepable gains, an athlete cycle, for a non-athlete.

sounds good bro low dosed so it not that supressive and you should lose some bf% and get pretty hard good shit bro.

 

[lilj888]

i took anavar at 50mg for 11 weeks so i think ur good to go

 

[sugashane]

Also PP's derma and lipoflame would probably be really good to stack, while not screwing with you're hpta.

 

[badhabit08]

contemplating:

Stats 24 y/o, 2nd cycle ~160lbs, 5'6" ~11%bf

wk 1-12 20mg/day var (am dose)
wk 3-12 HCG 250iu e4d.
wk 13-15 HCG 500iu eod (10k IU's)
wk 13-17 Aromasin 25mg/day (fav pct compound)

goals are first a safe (lipids/liver) and minimally suppressing cycle with steady strength increases and moderate fat loss (from ~11%-8%)

lean keepable gains, an athlete cycle, for a non-athlete.

why the hcg isnt that supressive of ur test after a while? or is there a reason for it?

 

[lilj888]

why the hcg isnt that supressive of ur test after a while? or is there a reason for it?

its actually used to not supress your test levels

 

[cobracock1979]

If your source is underdosed (which I hear a huge amont of Var is) will be a complete waste IMO

 

[smtimelevi]

why the hcg isnt that supressive of ur test after a while? or is there a reason for it?

If you use hcg for too long your body will de sensitize to it and basically become immune. Var is supposed to be the oral equivalent of primo. Safe, non-aromatizing, minimally supressing on the hpta. All the Hcg may not be nesicarry. 20mg is fairly low.

 

[GUARDIAN]

i think the hcg during this cycle is overkill but if u do decide to keep it then have that AI ready.

20mg is a waste for any decent strength/muscle gains for var imo. it is a decent dose to preserve muscle mass when dieting. so if u r expecting a little size and strengtth u may be disappointed. i think u would be better off going up to 40mg ed for 6 weeks. Make sure to use creatine with var. i prefer kre-alkalyn.

something tells me u r trying to stretch your var into a long cycle bc it is so expensive???

 

[dabuffguy]

i think the hcg during this cycle is overkill but if u do decide to keep it then have that AI ready.

20mg is a waste for any decent strength/muscle gains for var imo. it is a decent dose to preserve muscle mass when dieting. so if u r expecting a little size and strengtth u may be disappointed. i think u would be better off going up to 40mg ed for 6 weeks. Make sure to use creatine with var. i prefer kre-alkalyn.

something tells me u r trying to stretch your var into a long cycle bc it is so expensive???

+1




20mg/day is only 140mg per week which is barely more testosterone than your body produces anyway. Anyone here reccomend test @ 140/week that's not on HRT/TRT? nope. most reccomend a bare minimum 250mg.

Id personally run 60mg for 8 weeks with dermacrine.

 

[glover]

What they said sounds much better than your 20 mgs. And I really rec you don't waste your Hcg on this cycle. You may not even need it for pct.



20mg/day is only 140mg per week which is barely more testosterone than your body produces anyway. Anyone here reccomend test @ 140/week that's not on HRT/TRT? nope. most reccomend a bare minimum 250mg.

Id personally run 60mg for 8 weeks with dermacrine.[/QUOTE]

 

[chisoxfan]

20mgs var is a waste IMO, also at 160lbs u need to get ur weight up naturally!!!!!!!!

 

[Burpees]

contemplating:

Stats 24 y/o, 2nd cycle ~160lbs, 5'6" ~11%bf

wk 1-12 20mg/day var (am dose)
wk 3-12 HCG 250iu e4d.
wk 13-15 HCG 500iu eod (10k IU's)
wk 13-17 Aromasin 25mg/day (fav pct compound)

goals are first a safe (lipids/liver) and minimally suppressing cycle with steady strength increases and moderate fat loss (from ~11%-8%)

lean keepable gains, an athlete cycle, for a non-athlete.

Alright if you're first goal is liver health, you're better off running Prop at EOD - you can even run Prop E3D. No oral is going to be kind, especially for 12. Maybe due to your low dose you won't harm it much if at all...i'm just saying - you're safer sticking yourself. Scared of the needle? It's kind of fun bro. Like it's been stated, no HCG.. You will even be fine with one 250iu a week if you want. I think it will cause a problem with rebound though...like it was said run your AI's.

Have you considered splitting an mL into two injections of say Cyp? That's 250mg a week along with the var, and maybe some Adex or your Aromasin.. You will be MUCH happier.

i think the hcg during this cycle is overkill but if u do decide to keep it then have that AI ready.

20mg is a waste for any decent strength/muscle gains for var imo. it is a decent dose to preserve muscle mass when dieting. so if u r expecting a little size and strengtth u may be disappointed. i think u would be better off going up to 40mg ed for 6 weeks. Make sure to use creatine with var. i prefer kre-alkalyn.

something tells me u r trying to stretch your var into a long cycle bc it is so expensive???

I think his interest is recomposition, fat loss. Despite the goals he posted.

Do you think the toxicity is that much more at 40mg/ED that you wouldn't run it for 12 weeks?

20mgs var is a waste IMO, also at 160lbs u need to get ur weight up naturally!!!!!!!!

I don't think he wants to go up in weight..

 

[GUARDIAN]

I think his interest is recomposition, fat loss. Despite the goals he posted.

Do you think the toxicity is that much more at 40mg/ED that you wouldn't run it for 12 weeks?



I don't think he wants to go up in weight..

has nothing to do with toxicity for why i recommended 6 weeks. it was math. more than likely if he had more var he would be using it. so my assumption was he had exactly enuf for 20mg ed for 12 weeks. which would only give him 6 weeks worth at 40mg

 

[thebadguy54]

I'd go with Test E @ 250mg EW for 10 weeks.

If you have your heart set on Var only, then I'd go with 40 (min) or 60 (max) mg ED for 6 weeks.

 

[halfcenturian]

I'd go with Test E @ 250mg EW for 10 weeks.

If you have your heart set on Var only, then I'd go with 40 (min) or 60 (max) mg ED for 6 weeks.

BING-FUCKIN'-GO, meng. Var (for most people) needs to be run for about 6 weeks, at a split dose am and pm, of 40-80mg. Test will greatly enhance it's effect, as will CREATINE.

 

[ironcheif1984]

+1




20mg/day is only 140mg per week which is barely more testosterone than your body produces anyway. Anyone here reccomend test @ 140/week that's not on HRT/TRT? nope. most reccomend a bare minimum 250mg.



Id personally run 60mg for 8 weeks with dermacrine.

I know i grew like a fucking weed on only 250 ew so if this is you fist cycle get some test and go with some var for 6 wks @ 40mgs and test for 10wks @ 250 mgs you will be pleased with the results for sure.

 

[10001110101]

wow that was a lot of replies.

well, it is a UG source, i use i don't know if anyone knows about his var, i've used their sustanon before, i love test as much as the next guy but i bloat a lot even watching sodium/carbs. also i figure using the HCG 1x a week will keep some test floating around for libido anyways.

also i like the idea of a long slow cycle, i play a lot of soccer/tennis and so i want a lighter cycle that could just be stretched out. also low dose won't have such a severe impact on cholesterol/liver...

i've read a lot of medical studies where they use 20mg, one was 20mg for 12 weeks i posted it up a few days ago, i'm really interested in visceral/abdominal fat loss as i'm pretty lean but really want to bring the waist line in, a harder leaner look is really all i'm going for with decent abdominal/visceral fat loss.

 

[dabuffguy]

wow that was a lot of replies.

well, it is a UG source, i use ******** i don't know if anyone knows about var, i've used their sustanon before, i love test as much as the next guy but i bloat a lot even watching sodium/carbs. also i figure using the HCG 1x a week will keep some test floating around for libido anyways.

also i like the idea of a long slow cycle, i play a lot of soccer/tennis and so i want a lighter cycle that could just be stretched out. also low dose won't have such a severe impact on cholesterol/liver...

i've read a lot of medical studies where they use 20mg, one was 20mg for 12 weeks i posted it up a few days ago, i'm really interested in visceral/abdominal fat loss as i'm pretty lean but really want to bring the waist line in, a harder leaner look is really all i'm going for with decent abdominal/visceral fat loss.

Hey! what the fuck man? delete the source post. What the hell are you thinking? You KNOW that's against the rules.

 

[10001110101]

Hey! what the fuck man? delete the source post. What the hell are you thinking? You KNOW that's against the rules.

my b. wasn't thinking.